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[KocicaK]

Some time ago I thought of if it is possible to control a demon that possessed you. If it is possible to be somehow stronger that that demon and control him and his power and use it as you like.

WOuld that be possible? it could require, that you allow that demon to possess you, but you are somehow prepared for it and somehow trap it in you and somehow overcome it. Could it work, or is it just beutiful thought? imagine the power a mage could have being able to do so.

We already have example of spirit "possession" getting out of control(Anders and Justice) but what if the host was stronger than demon/spirit?

[Mike3207]

Well, Flemeth was able to do it, but I don't expect everyone to be like Flemeth.

[X Equestris]

I don't think so. Usually because demons will have you wanting them to come in before they possess you. I doubt you would be in a state capable of resisting. Besides, if you want a demon under your power, binding them is much safer.

[KocicaK]

Well, Flemeth was able to do it, but I don't expect everyone to be like Flemeth.

But isn´t Flemeth hugely affected by Mythal? is she even still herself? In inquisiton in that KIeran ald old god soul quest she seemed to me like Flemeth and Mythal morphed together.

[KocicaK]

I don't think so. Usually because demons will have you wanting them to come in before they possess you. I doubt you would be in a state capable of resisting. Besides, if you want a demon under your power, binding them is much safer.

SOmething like I was thinking of: preparing for the demon and then willingly call him or something to possess you, but overcome him/enslave him inside you or something like that and somehow absorb his essence/whole existence, but having command of that power yourself(if possible, wouldn´t it sort of "kill" him?)

 

Also binding is some sort of creating a pet demon, right? in that case, that is not what I want, cos everyone would see my demon, inner power is much better

[Lazarillo]

SOmething like I was thinking of: preparing for the demon and then willingly call him or something to possess you, but overcome him/enslave him inside you or something like that and somehow absorb his essence/whole existence, but having command of that power yourself(if possible, wouldn´t it sort of "kill" him?)

 

That's kind of what possession already is.  The host's soul doesn't disappear when possessed, it just sort of re-purposes itself to fulfill the emotion/ideal of the demon/spirit that did the possessing.  For hosts with a strong enough will, it's really not a whole lot different than gaining a new hobby...or maybe "a new addiction" would be more apt.  But possession can be a rather symbiotic thing, or so it seems.

[KocicaK]

 

That's kind of what possession already is.  The host's soul doesn't disappear when possessed, it just sort of re-purposes itself to fulfill the emotion/ideal of the demon/spirit that did the possessing.  For hosts with a strong enough will, it's really not a whole lot different than gaining a new hobby...or maybe "a new addiction" would be more apt.  But possession can be a rather symbiotic thing, or so it seems.

But there is still demon´s/spirit´s influence on you, different than gaining power. it changes your mind and that is what I want to avoid. I thought of something like(in game version) gaining a few levels instantly learn powerfull spells, hugely increase magic and willpower. something like this, where demon´s mind/his main emotion/personality somehow is crushed or something. so he in some sort doesn´t exist anymore, but his every aspect his absorbet by you.

Would this be possible? or is it even that symbiotic version of possession you ahve in mind? Because Flemeth + Mythal is not this. Flemeth is hugely affected by Mythal and partly fused with Mythal into one being, creating some mixed mind of those two.(at least she/they they seem to be like this)

[Lazarillo]

But there is still demon´s/spirit´s influence on you, different than gaining power. it changes your mind and that is what I want to avoid. I thought of something like(in game version) gaining a few levels instantly learn powerfull spells, hugely increase magic and willpower. something like this, where demon´s mind/his main emotion/personality somehow is crushed or something. so he in some sort doesn´t exist anymore, but his every aspect his absorbet by you.

Would this be possible? or is it even that symbiotic version of possession you ahve in mind? Because Flemeth + Mythal is not this. Flemeth is hugely affected by Mythal and partly fused with Mythal into one being, creating some mixed mind of those two.(at least she/they they seem to be like this)

 

 

It might be possible, but it's hard to say.  In general, we've seen characters like Wynne, as well as even Cassandra and the other Seekers, who have been possessed by spirits of Faith, and gained power from them, but since we never really get to know them before they become Abominations, we don't know if it's made a permanent difference in their personalities.  However, it's also possible to gain power from a demon without possession even, technically, being necessary.  Consider a Mage Warden in Origins who can bully Connor's Desire demon into granting a variety of powers without having to agree to anything more than not kicking its ass.

[KocicaK]

 

 

It might be possible, but it's hard to say.  In general, we've seen characters like Wynne, as well as even Cassandra and the other Seekers, who have been possessed by spirits of Faith, and gained power from them, but since we never really get to know them before they become Abominations, we don't know if it's made a permanent difference in their personalities.  However, it's also possible to gain power from a demon without possession even, technically, being necessary.  Consider a Mage Warden in Origins who can bully Connor's Desire demon into granting a variety of powers without having to agree to anything more than not kicking its ass.

there is still the problem with this. for example Wynne, that spirit helps her and grants her it´s powers willingly. she uses that spirit´s powers as she likes(I think), but she didn´t "enslave" it and is not using it for power. I think we can end it here, you say it might be possible and I suppose it´s enough for me. so if someone strong enough existed, it could be possible. I am satisfied with that conclusion. Thanks

[thats1evildude]

No. There have been times where a host was able to hold back a demon for a brief period and keep it from attacking others — Keeper Marethari, for instance — but the demon will always win out.

[KocicaK]

No. There have been times where a host was able to hold back a demon for a brief period and keep it from attacking others — Keeper Marethari, for instance — but the demon will always win out.

And did she have powers of that demon for herself while keeping him back? And wasn´t she just too weak? (I don´t remember that part from DA2 and if there were some informations about it)(Is she the keeper of Merrill´s clan and those are things that were mentioned in Merrill´s quest, right?)

[SwobyJ]

I don't think we've seen anything like you describe, OP. Demons seem to specifically form in order to ultimately dominate over the thing/person they're possessing - if only through twisting the person/soul themselves to become something that they can continuously feed off of and use as a puppet.

 

But I don't think what you describe could be always impossible. We very well could see a future story with some character either having remarkably strong will and character (and/or a demon with remarkably weak power) that we see something else happen. Or even a whole class/order of people who know this sekret skill, haha.

 

But so far, nothin. Keeper Marethari is a close example given above, but she also kept the demon restrained - she didn't go into a constant battle and domination over the demon itself to use its power.

 

So far, we have the basis that mortals, even mages, are no actual match for demons intent on taking them over. They are ticking time bombs and they do not have innate access to demonic powers. Spirits within a mortal may grant powers through co-operation, but demons are demons purely (barring some cool story in the future showing otherwise ) BECAUSE they want to possess mortals, use them as spiritual/emotional batteries, and know they're capable of doing so. They know they are/can be stronger, and that identity, well, makes them stronger than fallable humans.

 

Maybe we can see a human that has the strength to resist and it could involve cool magics and/or an anomaly (like the Shepard degree of willpower haha), but it certainly won't be a common thing.

[Koneko Koji]

No. There have been times where a host was able to hold back a demon for a brief period and keep it from attacking others — Keeper Marethari, for instance — but the demon will always win out.

 

It was the same with Anders and Justice - even though they were supposed to be sharing, there were times where Justice would overwhelm Anders (such as the Warden Prison) and that wasn't an 'active' possession.