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[themikefest]

Once  Lt. Victus and his platoon are rescued, Shepard is on a timer to do the Turian bomb mission. If three missions are completed without doing the bomb mission, it explodes killing a lot of Krogan and Shepard will lose Krogan war assets.

 

When talking with Victus he tells Shepard he came to defuse the bomb and that Cerberus has it. The player later learns its a Turian bomb

 

Depending on the playthrough, rescuing the Turian platoon can be done anytime before Thessia. If it's not completed before Thessia, the mission is removed from the galaxy map. I understand why the mission would be removed from the galaxy map since Victus and his platoon are most likely dead by that time.

 

Since the mission is removed, what happens to the bomb? Victus did say Cerberus has it so that would mean it should explode no matter what. If the bomb doesn't explode, would that mean Victus misled Shepard and that Cerberus somehow got the location of the bomb after he was rescued? If that's the case, I would be impressed that Cerberus was able to locate the bomb, get the equipment to that location and remove the bomb from underground in that short period of time. It would also explain why it didn't explode after the mission is removed from the map

 

 

[Excella Gionne]

Cerberus does the galaxy a huge favor? Now that's the second time. Well, this time it was for the alliance, but you get what I mean. This could have been an oversight during development, and if that's true then that's just sad. I guess we can only head-canon what did happen.

[Display Name Owner]

To try to ignore the fact that Cerberus can do literally anything using the power of plot clay and TIM's wallet, I suppose we could speculate that the Salarians somehow got hold of the information and leaked them the info. It's likely certain people (well, not likely, the Dalatrass tells you upfront) are against lifting the Genophage. I like to think those same people covertly allowed Cerberus to try to ruin the fertile female handover, maybe they also let this bomb go off in an attempt to cripple the Krogan and/or stir up their anger to lead the Turians to reconsider lifting the Genophage.

[shodiswe]

The Krogans were aware of Victus wereabouts, they had began snooping around... Maybe if you don't save Victus they find Victus and finnish the mission.

If Victus eventualy told the Krogans that Cerberus had a bomb in their most densely populated areas then I'm pretty sure the Krogans would headbut cerberous to Death allowing Victus to dissarm the bomb.. The Krogans are also very familiar with WMD's, so they might have fixed it themselves after Learning about the bomb.

[KrrKs]

If Victus eventualy told the Krogans that Cerberus had a bomb in their most densely populated areas then I'm pretty sure the Krogans would headbut cerberous to Death allowing Fortack to dissarm the bomb.. The Krogans are also very familiar with WMD's, so they might have fixed it themselves after Learning about the bomb.

This! (But I'm pretty sure they would use it one someone else...)

+ the bomb design is likely generic enough that the Krogans don't get the Idea that it is actually a Turian device.

[Vazgen]

Not sure what's the problem here. Cerberus doesn't have the bomb until Shepard does the Turian Platoon mission. Before that, assume that Cerberus is still digging it out or something.

[themikefest]

The Krogans were aware of Victus wereabouts, they had began snooping around... Maybe if you don't save Victus they find Victus and finnish the mission.

If Victus eventualy told the Krogans that Cerberus had a bomb in their most densely populated areas then I'm pretty sure the Krogans would headbut cerberous to Death allowing Victus to dissarm the bomb.. The Krogans are also very familiar with WMD's, so they might have fixed it themselves after Learning about the bomb.

That is possible

 

If the player chooses to rescue the platoon just before doing Thessia, it plays out the same and there is no indication Lt. Victus was going to inform the Krogan about the bomb. And if he did, I would'bt be surprised if one his soldiers would hit him over the head for doing that. One of them did grab Victus saying he screwed up. That same Turian also said who cares about a few dead Krogan.

 

If Victus does disarm the bomb, the Krogan would most likely ask how he knew about the bomb? If its a Cerberus bomb, why would they be taking it out of the ground instead of leaving it in the ground. Victus would have to do some smooth talking with the Krogan which he never showed until Shepard gave him a small dose of motivation after he says to her how to get his soldiers to finish the mission

[themikefest]

Not sure what's the problem here. Cerberus doesn't have the bomb until Shepard does the Turian Platoon mission. Before that, assume that Cerberus is still digging it out or something.

Is there anything saying they don't have the bomb in their possesion before doing the mission? The other thing is who leaked the information to Cerberus about the bomb?

[themikefest]

To try to ignore the fact that Cerberus can do literally anything using the power of plot clay and TIM's wallet, I suppose we could speculate that the Salarians somehow got hold of the information and leaked them the info. It's likely certain people (well, not likely, the Dalatrass tells you upfront) are against lifting the Genophage. I like to think those same people covertly allowed Cerberus to try to ruin the fertile female handover, maybe they also let this bomb go off in an attempt to cripple the Krogan and/or stir up their anger to lead the Turians to reconsider lifting the Genophage.

I will agree that its possible the  salarians leaked information to Cerberus about the female Krgoan, but I find it hard to believe they knew about the bomb.

 

Its also possible that edi is the leak. It may believe it has full control of the platform even though TIM somehow is able to get information without the platform knowing.

[Vazgen]

Is there anything saying they don't have the bomb in their possession before doing the mission? The other thing is who leaked the information to Cerberus about the bomb?

There isn't. As I recall, the platoon was sent to stop Cerberus from getting the bomb, not to capture it back from them. Also, the "Cerberus has it" can refer to both having access to the actual bomb or being in control of the location where the bomb is buried. 

 

As for who leaked the location, no idea. Might be someone they bought out in turian military. Every war has its traitors

[themikefest]

There isn't. As I recall, the platoon was sent to stop Cerberus from getting the bomb, not to capture it back from them. Also, the "Cerberus has it" can refer to both having access to the actual bomb or being in control of the location where the bomb is buried. 

 

As for who leaked the location, no idea. Might be someone they bought out in turian military. Every war has its traitors

Victus says he was sent to disarm the bomb. Cerberus has it I would take as them having it their possesion. They did since they were able to put a firewall around the trigger mechanism to slow down anyone tampering with it. Fortunately Victus was able to stop the bomb from exploding thanks to Shepard holding off Cerberus

[Cheviot]

Maybe Cerberus always knew where the bomb was, but were waiting for the right moment to detonate it. However, Victus' intel forced their hand.  This would explain why it wasn't detonated in playthroughs where the Turian Platoon mission wasn't done (i.e. Cerberus didn't find a opportune time to use it) but also explain why it was in the other playthroughs (i.e. Since they were going to lose this tactical advantage anyway, they might as well use it).

[Vazgen]

Victus says he was sent to disarm the bomb. Cerberus has it I would take as them having it their possesion. They did since they were able to put a firewall around the trigger mechanism to slow down anyone tampering with it. Fortunately Victus was able to stop the bomb from exploding thanks to Shepard holding off Cerberus

In the intro to Tuchanka Bomb, Victus says that "Cerberus brought equipment to dig it out".

I take it that Victus was sent to defuse the bomb because turians learned about impending (or ongoing) Cerberus attack on the bomb site.

Platoon crash-landed and Cerberus was able to reach and capture the site. "Cerberus has it".

They then proceeded with digging it out.

 

If Shepard does Tuchanka: Bomb he/she arrives shortly after Cerberus had dug it out and manages to stop the explosion.

If Shepard does not do Tuchanka: Bomb turians are defeated and the bomb detonates.

If Shepard does not do Turian Platoon mission, Cerberus is still digging it out. Maybe until Thessia or missing the time to detonate - Eve's speech to the clans. Or maybe Cerberus was not there at all.

[themikefest]

 

In the intro to Tuchanka Bomb, Victus says that "Cerberus brought equipment to dig it out".

I take it that Victus was sent to defuse the bomb because turians learned about impending (or ongoing) Cerberus attack on the bomb site.

Platoon crash-landed and Cerberus was able to reach and capture the site. "Cerberus has it".

They then proceeded with digging it out.

 

If Shepard does Tuchanka: Bomb he/she arrives shortly after Cerberus had dug it out and manages to stop the explosion.

If Shepard does not do Tuchanka: Bomb turians are defeated and the bomb detonates.

If Shepard does not do Turian Platoon mission, Cerberus is still digging it out. Maybe until Thessia or missing the time to detonate - Eve's speech to the clans. Or maybe Cerberus was not there at all.

If Lt.Victus was sent because Cerberus knew the location of the bomb, than someone had to tell them very early about it. I would suspect that Primarch Victus transmission to his son to deal with the bomb was over heard by Cerberus. For that to happen, the edibot does not have full control of the platform and TIM was able to translate the message and send his goons to Tuchanka. That's my speculation since I don't see anyone else who could've told Cerberus about the bomb

[Vazgen]

I would be surprised if Cerberus knew of Shepard's movements - I assume if TIM manages to overhear Victus's transmissions from EDI, he should have no problems listening to all the other communications too. If he had even remote knowledge of Shepard's movements, all the N7 missions would've never happened. I'd say he overheard the transmission on the son's end.