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[G_Admiral_Thrawn]

Since Corypheus is able to manipulate the the Blight and control the Calling (and maybe even mimic the Old Gods Song), why does he not use Darkspawn? He uses Demons, Wardens, Tevinter, Templars/Mages. just about everybody BUT darkspawn. Why?

 

A related question (and the first one that came to mind), are free-willed Darkspawn (like the Architect) immune to Corypheus? I can't even guess. All we know is the Architect doesn't hear the Old Gods Song, so he may actually be immune to Corypheus' Calling as well (which would be funny, a darkspawn consuming Grey Warden Blood, immune to ).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No explanation was provided why he doesn't use such a powerful resources, especially after his other armies are depleted. Pride I guess? The only possible explanation I can imagine is that since he identifies as a Tevinter he doesn't want to lower himself to use darkspawn servants?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Because BioWare dropped the ball, when they had that brain hemorage inducing idea, of making The Elder One Corypheus...

[KaiserShep]

One significant reason for Corypheus not to use darkspawn is that his end goal is to rule Thedas, not reduce it to a sickened wasteland. He wants to see Tevinter spread across the land with him as their god. The darkspawn would totally sh*t on this plan, because they cannot be used as a force to subdue his enemies without taking everyone else along with it. Not even the Venatori would likely be on board with a plan that involves using walking plague monsters when they can do what they know and use demons, a force that can be bound, and more importantly, can kill swaths of people without leaving disease in their wake. The Wardens are the next best thing, because they can be used as puppets to the same effect. 

 

 

If Corypheus' plan was simply to end the world entirely and see everyone dead, then heck yeah Blight 2: Magister Bugaloo, but that's not what he wants.

[Iakus]

Yeah the only use Corypheus would have for darkspawn might be as emergency body-surfing escape routes.

 

But he has Wardens for that.

[Lazarillo]

No explanation was provided why he doesn't use such a powerful resources, especially after his other armies are depleted. Pride I guess? The only possible explanation I can imagine is that since he identifies as a Tevinter he doesn't want to lower himself to use darkspawn servants?

 

I could swear this actually even comes up in the game, yeah.  He doesn't want to use Darkspawn, because bringing them along is acknowledgment of his own sin.  He wants to be "the amazing magister-turned-god guy", not "the causer of the Blights guy". 

[Ariella]

I could swear this actually even comes up in the game, yeah.  He doesn't want to use Darkspawn, because bringing them along is acknowledgment of his own sin.  He wants to be "the amazing magister-turned-god guy", not "the causer of the Blights guy".

I believe he even say something to the effect of wanting to redeem 'this blighted world.'

[myahele]

I thought he just couldn't control them? If he could then he would have used them in his last desperate attempt at defeating the inquisitor

[Andromelek]

He also seems to have lost direct control over the Grey Wardens, back to DA2 he did not use a Nightmare demon to do so, and the Wardens were not hearing the Calling, they just were obsessed with releasing Corypheus.

My theory is that it has something to do with the fact that he infused Red Lyrium on himself, it also has raised from the Blight, however Red Lyrium creatures are far more different to the regular tainted creatures: Rock Wraiths are (as we know) dwarves who ate Red Lyrium, but instead of seeking for the Old Gods like any tainted creature would do, they spent the time consuming the Red Lyrium on their Thaig, showing an aggressive behaviour against anything else, including the darkspawn and demons.

So Corypheus may have gained control over the Red Lyrium and the creatures infected with it, but he lost control over the regular tainted creatures at the same time.

[BansheeOwnage]

He should have at least used them in the final battle if nowhere else. He didn't seem to care about the world at that point anyway. Plus, if the writers were feeling mean, they could have used it (the taint) as an excuse to force you to abandon Skyhold and potentially disband the Inquisition.

[Br3admax]

He was planning on entering the Black City and doing the same thing he was doing all game, and even talks about crushing the Inquisition underneath the "Imperial heel," so no, he obviously still cared about this world. 

[S.W.]

I doubt think Corypheus even acknowledges himself as darkspawn, for reasons mentioned above. Hence why he uses the Grey Wardens - whom he likely aligns himself to more closely, as a corrupted, blight-ridden humans. Using darkspawn may not have even crossed his mind, depending on how conscious he is of his denial.

 

It's a pride thing, basically. Not explained that well, because we're given barely a hint that Coryphenisus has a personality beyond 'MUHAHAHA EVIL MAGISTER' in the game.

[Ariella]

He also seems to have lost direct control over the Grey Wardens, back to DA2 he did not use a Nightmare demon to do so, and the Wardens were not hearing the Calling, they just were obsessed with releasing Corypheus.

I don't think he lost control of the Wardens, but he has a limited area of effect. Something like putting the Calling into every Warden's mind in Orlais would be beyond his ability. But the Nightmare... It makes perfect sense since all the Wardens dying at once like that has to be the Grey Wardens' worst fear.

[dgcatanisiri]

There's also a tactical decision in not using the darkspawn - he's acting in areas very recently touched by a Blight. Killing the Divine threw everything into chaos and allowed him to gain power and armies without anyone noticing. Get the darkspawn on the move, and that gets the Fereldans reacting, they know what this means and the survivors are still capable of going back into the fight. A Blight historically can bring the nations together. He wants them disrupted until he ascends and personally brings them to heel. Darkspawn are openly declaring his intentions to the world, and he wants it off-balance until he decides otherwise.

[Lazarillo]

He also seems to have lost direct control over the Grey Wardens, back to DA2 he did not use a Nightmare demon to do so, and the Wardens were not hearing the Calling, they just were obsessed with releasing Corypheus.

My theory is that it has something to do with the fact that he infused Red Lyrium on himself, it also has raised from the Blight, however Red Lyrium creatures are far more different to the regular tainted creatures: Rock Wraiths are (as we know) dwarves who ate Red Lyrium, but instead of seeking for the Old Gods like any tainted creature would do, they spent the time consuming the Red Lyrium on their Thaig, showing an aggressive behaviour against anything else, including the darkspawn and demons.

So Corypheus may have gained control over the Red Lyrium and the creatures infected with it, but he lost control over the regular tainted creatures at the same time.

 

I'm going more out on the speculation limb with this one, but just based on how characters acted, I got the impression that the level of control he had over the Wardens in Legacy stemmed more from the fact that he was sleeping and they weren't really aware of what was going on.  Sort of like the Wardens are just sort of accustomed to "tuning out" the sleeping Arch-demons, but with Corypheus just sort of mumbling through it too, they couldn't distinguish his influence from their own thoughts.  However, once he's making a conscious effort to go "OBEY ME", it becomes really obvious that there's an alien presence in their minds.

[Iakus]

He also seems to have lost direct control over the Grey Wardens, back to DA2 he did not use a Nightmare demon to do so, and the Wardens were not hearing the Calling, they just were obsessed with releasing Corypheus.

My theory is that it has something to do with the fact that he infused Red Lyrium on himself, it also has raised from the Blight, however Red Lyrium creatures are far more different to the regular tainted creatures: Rock Wraiths are (as we know) dwarves who ate Red Lyrium, but instead of seeking for the Old Gods like any tainted creature would do, they spent the time consuming the Red Lyrium on their Thaig, showing an aggressive behaviour against anything else, including the darkspawn and demons.

So Corypheus may have gained control over the Red Lyrium and the creatures infected with it, but he lost control over the regular tainted creatures at the same time.

I believe Corypheus could only mess with the minds of Wardens from a relatively short distance away.   He is not responsible for the false Calling.  That was done by the Nightmare Demon.

 

He should have at least used them in the final battle if nowhere else. He didn't seem to care about the world at that point anyway. Plus, if the writers were feeling mean, they could have used it (the taint) as an excuse to force you to abandon Skyhold and potentially disband the Inquisition.

 

That Corypheus didn't recruit darkspawn to zerg the Blackened city is a bit of a puzzler.  Maybe his temper was up and he just didn't think of it?  

[BansheeOwnage]

He was planning on entering the Black City and doing the same thing he was doing all game, and even talks about crushing the Inquisition underneath the "Imperial heel," so no, he obviously still cared about this world. 

Obviously we took very different things from the ending. Many things indicated he just didn't care anymore at that point, such as the advisors pointing out that his plan will kill him too. And his immediate plan couldn't have been to enter the black city, because he had no means to do so. He either needs an Anchor or an eluvian.

 

Killing the Inquisitor wouldn't give him one, either. Why wouldn't he just hide and perform another ritual with the orb to bestow another Anchor on himself if he still cared? Although, why not simply do that from the beginning? Open the breach somewhere it would take too long for the Inquisitor to get to (Kirkwall's veil is very thin, poor Kirkwall) and enter the city before anyone could stop him?

[KaiserShep]

If Corypheus raided Haven to reclaim the mark, it stands to reason that it can't simply be replicated, presumably while a living host still possesses it. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Obviously we took very different things from the ending. Many things indicated he just didn't care anymore at that point, such as the advisors pointing out that his plan will kill him too. And his immediate plan couldn't have been to enter the black city, because he had no means to do so. He either needs an Anchor or an eluvian.

 

Killing the Inquisitor wouldn't give him one, either. Why wouldn't he just hide and perform another ritual with the orb to bestow another Anchor on himself if he still cared? Although, why not simply do that from the beginning? Open the breach somewhere it would take too long for the Inquisitor to get to (Kirkwall's veil is very thin, poor Kirkwall) and enter the city before anyone could stop him?

 

No he still believed he could have achieved godhood, given his comments to the Inquisitor. It's also pretty heavily indicated that he might end up just destroying himself and the world even if he did get what he wanted so destroying the Veil to enter the Fade just sort of fits with his MO.

[BansheeOwnage]

If Corypheus raided Haven to reclaim the mark, it stands to reason that it can't simply be replicated, presumably while a living host still possesses it. 

That's because he didn't know it was permanent. I see no reason to assume there can only be one Anchor at a time. You'd think he'd send more assassins against you at least, as they apparently infiltrate Skyhold semi-regularly

 

No he still believed he could have achieved godhood, given his comments to the Inquisitor. It's also pretty heavily indicated that he might end up just destroying himself and the world even if he did get what he wanted so destroying the Veil to enter the Fade just sort of fits with his MO.

Was that what he was doing? Destroying the veil? If so, I'm surprised Solas didn't betray you and let it happen or something. I thought he was just opening another Breach.

[Korva]

Corypheus, his plans and his personality needed so much more attention than the game gives him, it's a real shame.

 

I kind of want to agree with the point about his arrogance and denial, but on the other hand, his memory crystals in the old shrine of Dumat talk quite candidly about "claiming the darkness as our own" and "letting it permeate our being". It wasn't the godhood he wanted, but it's power, and he doesn't seem to regret it at all. His complaints about the state of the world struck me as being solely about Tevinter no longer being the absolute master of everything and the silence of his old gods, not about the leftover damage of the past Blights. Still, a darkspawn-riddled world would definitely not give him much to rule.

 

Him wanting to act covertly, at least initially, is another good point.

 

I haven't played DA2 and know only a few bits and pieces about its plot, but I think the Architect didn't have the kind of control over darkspawn that would make using them as a large-scale army feasible? Maybe Corypheus similarly can't control him except maybe if he's in very close proximity.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

I haven't played DA2 and know only a few bits and pieces about its plot, but I think the Architect didn't have the kind of control over darkspawn that would make using them as a large-scale army feasible? Maybe Corypheus similarly can't control him except maybe if he's in very close proximity.

The Architect was from DA:O: Awakening. So many colons. But he's not a good counter-example, because he was cut off from the taint; he can't hear the song, so he naturally cannot use it to control darkspawn. We don't know if Corypheus hears it or can use it.

 

Also, what are you doing?! Play DA2!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That's because he didn't know it was permanent. I see no reason to assume there can only be one Anchor at a time. You'd think he'd send more assassins against you at least, as they apparently infiltrate Skyhold semi-regularly

 

Was that what he was doing? Destroying the veil? If so, I'm surprised Solas didn't betray you and let it happen or something. I thought he was just opening another Breach.

 

I'm pretty sure that was it. Vivienne yells "Kill him quickly before he destroys the Veil!" in the final segment of the fight if she's there. It also would match Solas' comment that it was his way of kicking over the pieces on the board in order to win.

[Korva]

The Architect was from DA:O: Awakening. So many colons. But he's not a good counter-example, because he was cut off from the taint; he can't hear the song, so he naturally cannot use it to control darkspawn. We don't know if Corypheus hears it or can use it.

 

Also, what are you doing?! Play DA2!

 

Whoops! Yes, that was a typo, sorry. But Corypheus doesn't seem affected by the "song", either. Even with the miniscule amount of characterization he gets, I'd think it would have been worth a mention otherwise. Someone with his boundless ego and ambition might mention defying it because he won't bow to anyone, or somesuch. Or speculate how trying to use it would be too risky. I think Varric tells the Inquisitor that in their first encounter, Corypheus didn't even appear to be aware of the fact that he is a darkspawn.

 

(But, yeah, what I knew about DA2 and Awakening never appealed to me, so I skipped both and that hasn't changed since.)

[Gervaise]

I must admit I was surprised there weren't more darkspawn coming to the surface but I did assume the ones that did were in some way being attracted by the presence of either Corypheus or the red lyrium.    In Legacy darkspawn were regularly attracted to his prison.    I would have thought the reason the Wardens imprisoned him was because of his ability to command darkspawn.   After all their main function is to stop Blights so if Cory didn't draw darkspawn to him or was uninterested in them, why would the Wardens even bother with him?

 

However, Legacy never really explained that aspect of Corypheus.    He was a darkspawn with independent thought but we never found out what part he played in the 1st Blight and how the Wardens came to know of him.   The standard response is always to quote Warden secrecy on the matter but it would have been interesting to learn a bit more about that aspect of history.   Was he the reason the 1st Blight lasted so long?    I've always thought that given the amount of damage darkspawn do in one year or ten years (as detailed in Last Flight), that a Blight that lasted the best part of 100 years would have seen the world devastated beyond recall.    So did Corypheus actually prevent that?  

 

Another thing that bothers me is that he implied in Legacy that the Golden City was already black when they got there.    Yet at the end of DAI he declares "I have walked the halls of the Golden City".    So did he get his memory back?     Mages can see the Black City from anywhere in the Fade.    Presumably the same would have been true of the Golden City.   So they wouldn't have attempted to get there if they could see it was already black.      Also never really clear actually why he was trying to get there in the first place.    To challenge the Maker or find out why the Old Gods had fallen silent?