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#26
Iakus

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If Corypheus raided Haven to reclaim the mark, it stands to reason that it can't simply be replicated, presumably while a living host still possesses it. 

DUring the Haven confrontation, Corypheus said the Inquisitor "interrupted a ritual years in the planning"  I think a second mark could be made, but would be very time and resource-intensive.  And Corypheus is done waiting at this point.



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If Corypheus could have simply "made" another mark, I don'think he would have invaded Haven or went for the Well of Sorrows. I've always believed the "years in the planning" mean not only getting the orb and figuring out how it works, but also corrupting the Wardens, laying the foundations for building armies, and generally building up power.

The mark seems to be a byproduct of the Inquisitor seizing the orb and not the goal of Corypheus ritual, which seems to be powering up the orb so he can use it to enter the Fade physically. Part of the orb's power is transferred to the mark, and in Haven Corypheus tries to take it back to the orb but he realises that by using it to close rifts, the Inquisitor has made the mark permanent. The orb no longer has the power he needs so he starts looking for an alternative.

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Something which irritated me about red lyrium was that despite trekking through the deep roads in DA:O, with darkspawn spilling out of every corner, we only ever come across blue, uncorrupted lyrium. Red lyrium ingestion does not lead to the blight catching in a conventional sense either: one does not become a darkspawn, although one does hear the calling.

 

Given that Corypheus seems to understand what red lyrium is in full (he gives it to his armies and is covered in it himself), but seems to lack an understanding of a) what darkspawn are, and B) that he has control of them, may suggest that the darkspawn horde that arrives with every blight is just a secondary development of red lyrium, an unintended side effect of its power. Which is a bit of a smack in the face for the Grey Wardens, who view the darkspawn as the sole cause and effect of the blight when there may instead be something else at work.



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I'm pretty sure that was it. Vivienne yells "Kill him quickly before he destroys the Veil!" in the final segment of the fight if she's there. It also would match Solas' comment that it was his way of kicking over the pieces on the board in order to win.

Weird. That shouldn't really be info you only get if you bring a specific person. That whole mission really needs some work though.

 

 

Another thing that bothers me is that he implied in Legacy that the Golden City was already black when they got there.    Yet at the end of DAI he declares "I have walked the halls of the Golden City".    So did he get his memory back?

In In Your Heart Shall Burn I'm pretty sure he says it was already black too. I never thought much of him calling it the Golden City later. It's still the same place even if the name makes less sense. I'd chalk it up to sounding better or the writers making a small mistake.



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I always figured it was "years in the planning" because he was locked away for centuries. Otherwise, I can only see it making sense if Solas gave him the orb right after DA2. Do we know when Solas awoke?



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In In Your Heart Shall Burn I'm pretty sure he says it was already black too. I never thought much of him calling it the Golden City later. It's still the same place even if the name makes less sense. I'd chalk it up to sounding better or the writers making a small mistake.

 

His comments in Legacy also include the line "It was supposed to be golden!".  Therefore, despite what it was when he got there, he definitely knew it at some point as "the Golden City".  Given that he's a Mage, and the city can be seen from any vantage point in the Fade, I'd sort of assume that whatever was inside it, it at least looked golden from the outside before the Magisters entered.



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A common complaint is that, after Haven, the game is a sucession of victories with Corypheus becoming less and less of a threat each time.

This would have been a perfect way to remind us why he is dangerous.

 

Picture it, the battle of the Arbor Wilds. The Inquisition forces, united with the Orlesian army, Grey Wardens and Templars/Mages are making quick work of the Venatori and Red Templars. They plain and simply don't stand a chance, at this point it's just a matter of moping up and moving to secure the Temple of Mythal.

Then, the ground cracks open and from the bowels of the earth, dozens of thousands of Darkspawn spew foward, joining with Corypheus' forces. The Inquisition is forced to retreat.



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If Corypheus could have simply "made" another mark, I don'think he would have invaded Haven or went for the Well of Sorrows. I've always believed the "years in the planning" mean not only getting the orb and figuring out how it works, but also corrupting the Wardens, laying the foundations for building armies, and generally building up power.

The mark seems to be a byproduct of the Inquisitor seizing the orb and not the goal of Corypheus ritual, which seems to be powering up the orb so he can use it to enter the Fade physically. Part of the orb's power is transferred to the mark, and in Haven Corypheus tries to take it back to the orb but he realises that by using it to close rifts, the Inquisitor has made the mark permanent. The orb no longer has the power he needs so he starts looking for an alternative.


The Anchor is tied to using the orb. When you watch the ritual you see Corypheus about ready to finish his ritual when the Inquisitor bumbles in. The Corypheus *literally* drops the ball. You pick it up and then you've got the explosion. It gets lots in the shuffle but technically we nukes the temple.

The anchor seems important in using the orb.

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A common complaint is that, after Haven, the game is a sucession of victories with Corypheus becoming less and less of a threat each time.
This would have been a perfect way to remind us why he is dangerous.

Picture it, the battle of the Arbor Wilds. The Inquisition forces, united with the Orlesian army, Grey Wardens and Templars/Mages are making quick work of the Venatori and Red Templars. They plain and simply don't stand a chance, at this point it's just a matter of moping up and moving to secure the Temple of Mythal.
Then, the ground cracks open and from the bowels of the earth, dozens of thousands of Darkspawn spew foward, joining with Corypheus' forces. The Inquisition is forced to retreat.


But through the incredible personal awesomeness of the Inquisitor you still get to the well? I don't see how that's different. Or are you saying Corypheus gets the well?

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Obviously we took very different things from the ending. Many things indicated he just didn't care anymore at that point, such as the advisors pointing out that his plan will kill him too. And his immediate plan couldn't have been to enter the black city, because he had no means to do so. He either needs an Anchor or an eluvian.

 

Killing the Inquisitor wouldn't give him one, either. Why wouldn't he just hide and perform another ritual with the orb to bestow another Anchor on himself if he still cared? Although, why not simply do that from the beginning? Open the breach somewhere it would take too long for the Inquisitor to get to (Kirkwall's veil is very thin, poor Kirkwall) and enter the city before anyone could stop him?

Let's not forget that Corypheus once physically entered the Fade through the use of an inordinate ammount of lyrium and slaves and an extremely complex ritual where he was aided by the Architect and the other five. Presumably, he didn't have the Anchor or an Eluvian at the time.

 

It's entirely possible he is trying to force his way into the Fade through sheer power by using the Orb as a replacement for all the things mentioned above. Of course, it's likely the odds of suceeding without tearing reality into pieces are small hence why it was an absolutely last resort.






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A common complaint is that, after Haven, the game is a sucession of victories with Corypheus becoming less and less of a threat each time.

This would have been a perfect way to remind us why he is dangerous.

 

Picture it, the battle of the Arbor Wilds. The Inquisition forces, united with the Orlesian army, Grey Wardens and Templars/Mages are making quick work of the Venatori and Red Templars. They plain and simply don't stand a chance, at this point it's just a matter of moping up and moving to secure the Temple of Mythal.

Then, the ground cracks open and from the bowels of the earth, dozens of thousands of Darkspawn spew foward, joining with Corypheus' forces. The Inquisition is forced to retreat.

 

 

Followed by the HOF slowly walking towards the horde with Vigilance in their hand and a smile as they prepare to wipe out the Darkspawn. :P

 

it would have knocked us right on our arses and would have made Corypheus seem like a threat. However, it could mean that the Inquisiton would have to put out a call for help to the Wardens of the other nations and Skyhold could get besieged by darkspawn, red templars and Venatori before the message is sent out. That said, it would have been nice if Cory trapped us in our own fortress whilst he broke open the fade and accidentally drags the Inquisitor in with him, which then leads to a one on one fight.



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I always figured it was "years in the planning" because he was locked away for centuries. Otherwise, I can only see it making sense if Solas gave him the orb right after DA2. Do we know when Solas awoke?

We don't.  But then Corypheus was released at the latest 9:37 Dragon (and potentially as early as 9:31).  And DAI starts in 9:40 Dragon.  SO there's enough wiggle room for Corypheus to spend years on a ritual to create the mark.

 

I mean, this mark allows for abilities no one, even the mightiest of old Tevinter's magisters had.  I mean, with the mark, storming the Golden City wouldn't have been so difficult.