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Diversity is great – but do we run the risk of tokenism?


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#76
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No he didn't.  That's your interpretation of his statement.  Quote where he said that straight white men's opinions don't matter unless they align with women and gay people.  Show me where if 'that is what he said'.  If you can't, then it's your interpretation of what he actually said.

 

In what he said. I think you just aren't reading it because you too do not value the opinions of heterosexual white men.



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So...... no?  You can't provide that quote?  Okay then.  That's what I thought.

 

Nice deflection, by the way.  But anyone who's actually read my comments knows that your accusation against me is far from true.



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The quote is already there. Why waste time repeating myself. You should act like the attitudes you claim to value.



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It's not there.  I've read it and reread it numerous times.  He never says that.  The fact that you can't quote it is pretty telling.


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I am a fan of science fiction and fantasy, I tend to gravitate more towards the sci-fi end of the spectrum, but I find both genres enjoyable. But do you all know why I find them enjoyable? Its because I get to go and see or experience things that are not possible in the real world, not because I want to see political/social issues represented in a futuristic or magical setting.

 

 

I could care less about Krem's transgender backstory, I want to go and talk to that Awakened Darkspawn over there. I don't give a flying leap about Ashley's strained relationship with her grandfather, I want to go and see more of the Rachni. Etc. A character that has struggled with their sexuality, or who has rose above the challenges set against them being a minority or a woman are nowhere as interesting to me as is the non-human/alien elements of these settings. I can go and turn on the news, or go browse Tumbler if I wanted to see LGTG/minority/heterosexual/male-female issues. I can't do the same if I want to see more of that demon comprised of the world's collective fears, or that alien that can see gamma rays. That white heterosexual male with daddy issues <<<<<<<<<<<< that AI that swims through cyberspace and sees the world as 1s and 0s (IMO).

 

 

If we are talking about token characters that need more representation I would say we should be giving the non-human elements more of the spotlight; you know the things that actually make a sci-fi or fantasy setting what they are.

Those aliens and AIs get turned into humans eventually because apparently they cannot be attractive or have attractive qualities or like seeing the word in 1s and 0s without being more human. They have to be real...like us because only like us are real.  <_<


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In what he said. I think you just aren't reading it because you too do not value the opinions of heterosexual white men.

 

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It's not there.  I've read it and reread it numerous times.  He never says that.  The fact that you can't quote it is pretty telling.

 

I've already drawn attention to it. From reading your other posts, I can tell you wouldn't feel that way. You're the type of person who thinks the "minority" colors are more important.



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I've already drawn attention to it. From reading your other posts, I can tell you wouldn't feel that way. You're the type of person who thinks the "minority" colors are more important.


From What I know of daveliam, you're wrong.
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#84
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I'm the type of person who thinks that there's a difference between "what someone said" and "what I took away from what someone said through my own interpretation". 

 

There is an objective fact here.  You claim that he said something that, in black and white, is proven to not be there.  You can't quote it because it's not there and now you are tap dancing around and trying to throw distractions out because you've been caught exaggerating your statements.

 

And, just to be clear, I'm not saying that this makes his statement objectively correct (I happen to agree with him).  I'm pointing out that you are accusing him of saying something that he never said in order to discredit him and I'm calling you out for it.



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I've already drawn attention to it. From reading your other posts, I can tell you wouldn't feel that way. You're the type of person who thinks the "minority" colors are more important.

Wanderer, you're full of it.  Daveliam is nothing like you just described.  He's never had a problem with straight white dudes.  I should know, I'm straight, white, male, and have never been treated with anything less than respect by him.


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So another USA = all world. In my country president is female so what? Life go on same as president is male. All people are white. You can see few black in major city's that's it. How does diversity ruin your experience? "Magic must serve men, not rule them" I expect Divine not be a mage. When I go to meat Arishok I don't expect it to be dwarf. If I go to some city I don't expect 1 quarter to be white 1 quarter black 1 quarter Chinis. If I go to Rivain I expect to to see majority black people and no white at all but this is Bioware so of-course we will.

People from Poland who all white make game based on Eurapa and are accused being racist. It would be funny if they wouldn't be serious.


So by your definition, if you buy a game, you expect to play as a heterosexual white male. If you watch a movie, you expect the hero to be a heterosexual white male. If you see another gender or race, then somehow that throws you off balance.

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This thread is being closed because the discussion has become hostile and unproductive.