I think
they agreedDrasca said that they could use the other move. He could have extracted without ever using power chord but he would sometimes use it as a dispel or as a finisher from time to time.
^^^ This. I under no circumstances need to use it. It cuts down on time by a few seconds. I was the one that put forth the idea of only using the abilities we are championing, but if this is how Drasca wants to do it, this is how we will do it.
^^^ This. I under no circumstances need to use it. It cuts down on time by a few seconds. I was the one that put forth the idea of only using the abilities we are championing, but if this is how Drasca wants to do it, this is how we will do it.
Yep. I'm pro using everything, and I'm liking what I see. It'd be more boring if we hobbled ourselves.
I repeat, are you not entertained?
and so it came to pass that both skills were found useful...
That was never in question. However, I wanted SB to demonstrate how he uses CB, as I would PC, and we both did that. . . Despite SB's initial thoughts that there'd be no point to showing on video, I hope he sees the community appreciating what came out of the video presentation.
The moral of the story is that CB hits everything, all the time, for a lot of damage, and does not require encore to be sustainable.
It's one of the few abilities in game which can be trolled by party members and this is its main flaw which makes all those solo videos just plain useless.
You can't say to party members "don't attack my targets".
You can't say to party members "don't use fear, hard hitting skills, 1 shot abilities"
I can take some whatever, duelist, archer and just troll Cool beats virtuoso to the point he would deal only first tick damage. Even if another 3 party members don't want to do it, they still don't care about your cool beats, so they would target and waste cool beats very often. Just because nobody cares and ppl in general choose targets at "random" really without that much tactic involved, plus they tend to kill everything, not leave it for some DoT damage which isn't even theirs. They want kill, they want heal on kill, xp, satisfaction, numbers on scoreboard etc. That's why they won't care about some ticking dots. That's why in general DoTs sucks. Cool beats is a strange dot. Burn is just damage, you kill either with burn or other source of damage and you can spread it like mad with several skills. Walking bomb has some "reward" for killing target -> explosions. So you either w8 for DoT or kill faster to get explosions. Win Win. Cool beats is nothing like dead. It's not that easy to spread as burn and instead of some sort of reward after killing target faster like with bomb we got nothing. Reward is only for maintaining it as long as possible to get use of aoe damage effect. This type of DoT has hard time in game made around burst and direct damage...
Cool beats has it use, it can boost virtuoso dps on longer range but I can't see any reason to use it in party setup at close range. For close range and every other "oh **** I have shadow on my ass" situation Power cord is way better. Even barrier spamming is way better.
Cool beats has its use, PC has its use. Both are good abilities and there are good reasons to use both. Enemies with ice vulnerability? Cool beats. Immune to electric? Cool beats. Immune to cold? Power chord. Despair demon / Rage demon / Soldiers / Venatori mages / spellbinders have barrier on them? Power chord.
As a matter of fact, try soloing venatori spellbinders with cool beats only. You can't.
There is no reason not to use both. This whole argument is stupid.
Snakebite,
*please* do another video where you do cool beats in a group, and lets end this debate once and for all.
You can't say to party members "don't attack my targets".
You can't say to party members "don't use fear, hard hitting skills, 1 shot abilities"
I don't tell people to not attack my targets. I don't tell people to refrain from using powerful burst damage abilities. I do however get more than enough kills to make CB more than worthwhile, and even if they do grab my kill, I helped the team clear faster and gain more experience by hitting just about every target with very little effort put forth.
I don't tell people how and how not to play. People don't need to be told how to play their game. That is the main reason I finally broke down and posted.
They do need accurate information on abilities strengths and weaknesses so they can choose for themselves how to play. People were not getting this before I posted. If you choose to continue using PC over CB, then I won't fault you; it's a great ability.
Yeah, the thread's initial post is a little misleading. Pork needs to update with agreed to
gentlemenDrasca rules.
Cool beats has its use, PC has its use. Both are good abilities and there are good reasons to use both. Enemies with ice vulnerability? Cool beats. Immune to electric? Cool beats. Immune to cold? Power chord. Despair demon / Rage demon / Soldiers / Venatori mages / spellbinders have barrier on them? Power chord.
As a matter of fact, try soloing venatori spellbinders with cool beats only. You can't.
There is no reason not to use both. This whole argument is stupid.
There seem to be two camps:
1. Thinks both abilities are viable and useful
2. Thinks cool beats is useless
Camp 1 AKA Snakebite was challenged to prove cool beats usefulness through a Thunderdome by Drasca who is part of Camp 2.
Camp 2 will either decide cool beats is useful or will just continue to think its pointless.
Cool beats has its use, PC has its use. Both are good abilities and there are good reasons to use both. Enemies with ice vulnerability? Cool beats. Immune to electric? Cool beats. Immune to cold? Power chord. Despair demon / Rage demon / Soldiers / Venatori mages / spellbinders have barrier on them? Power chord.
As a matter of fact, try soloing venatori spellbinders with cool beats only. You can't.
There is no reason not to use both. This whole argument is stupid.
Yes Yes and YES!
Ice Spellbinders take 1 damage per tick from CB wile barrier is up. Even DD still take a few hundred in the same situation.
On another note Wavebend, what bugs did you find with encore. In a link that Drasca posted earlier, I saw you found it to be bugged, but I would like to know exactly what you found.
Yes Yes and YES!
Ice Spellbinders take 1 damage per tick from CB wile barrier is up. Even DD still take a few hundred in the same situation.
On another note Wavebend, what bugs did you find with encore. In a link that Drasca posted earlier, I saw you found it to be bugged, but I would like to know exactly what you found.
what link?
edit: if the link is my solo link, the build is outdated
Snakebite,
*please* do another video where you do cool beats in a group, and lets end this debate once and for all.
LOL There will never be an END. NEVAH! LOL
I think even if SB and I were able to play in the same group, we'd just be having fun carrying each other rather than 'thunderdumb', due to the fact that were both overwhelmingly OP
There is no reason not to use both
Which is why I encouraged use of both. I am definitely happy to see SB had a fast clear time, and how he chose to handle the demons around him (by PC'ing). I was surprised how high the CB damage could get in a solo environment.
I don't tell people how and how not to play. People don't need to be told how to play their game. That is the main reason I finally broke down and posted.
They do need accurate information on abilities strengths and weaknesses so they can choose for themselves how to play. People were not getting this before I posted. If you choose to continue using PC over CB, then I won't fault you; it's a great ability.
There's an inherent irony to your first statement here, the very nature of declaring both abilities are great (and other accurate information on how to play), is telling people how to play, even when the intent is on not on what style they should play.
CB has some serious weaknesses that you don't really recognize, and it has some serious strengths that I wasn't able to see before. In part that is due to how awful the targetting is on KB&M with CB makes me really not want to use it. I see how much easier it is to use on a controller than KB&M, and I'd be much more likely to use it on a handheld controller.
Edit:
The inability to see weaknesses part is due to lack of serious burst dps competition on your part, since you're king of your pond. You wouldn't be casting CB, but would be casting FB (or other spells) instead around high burst players that I play with. I can't speak for your teammates, but mine would mop the floor with enemies and we're all stuck doing the waiting for spawn game-- and eating sandwiches while waiting.
I'd be casting CB and or PC as appropriately too, only at different ranges.
There seem to be two camps:
1. Thinks both abilities are viable and useful
2. Thinks cool beats is useless
Camp 1 AKA Snakebite was challenged to prove cool beats usefulness through a Thunderdome by Drasca who is part of Camp
2.1
FTFY
Thing is Snake would never tell you what to play in game or how to play it, giving you advice isn't screaming that you're playing the wrong character and in the wrong way.
Yeah, snake seems to be a pretty chill guy. Drasca is and always will be insistent that his way is the only way, to the point of literally screaming nerd rage style into a microphone at people who don't follow his orders.
Edit:
The inability to see weaknesses part is due to lack of serious burst dps competition on your part, since you're king of your pond. You wouldn't be casting CB, but would be casting FB (or other spells) instead around high burst players that I play with. I can't speak for your teammates, but mine would mop the floor with enemies and we're all stuck doing the waiting for spawn game-- and eating sandwiches while waiting.
Did you just slam Snakebite's regular teammates? ahem.. I'm sure they're here somewhere.
Yeah, snake seems to be a pretty chill guy. Drasca is and always will be insistent that his way is the only way, to the point of literally screaming nerd rage style into a microphone at people who don't follow his orders.
It's actually pretty funny when he does it, though.
Did you just slam Snakebite's regular teammates? ahem.. I'm sure they're here somewhere.
because . . . EXPPLOOOOSIONS!
^^^ This. I under no circumstances need to use it. It cuts down on time by a few seconds. I was the one that put forth the idea of only using the abilities we are championing,
Wait, this statement is wrong, because you clearly need to use it vs enemy barriers & cold resistent enemies (were there cold immune enemies around? I don't recall), and it cuts down a lot more time than 'a few seconds'. If you want to demonstrate only using CB, go ahead, but I am certain you'll have longer results without PC -- and it isn't terribly fun to demonstrate.
PC is used in roughly 90% of my gametime because 90% of mine is CQC and vs targets weak to PC or strong against CB. The remainder is split between hot licks, ranged enemies and CB.
Solo virtuoso is not part of that. I use the kiting style too, though less effectively than a practiced pro CB'er, but well enough to dominate solo virtuoso with it against RTC and such.
CB is a lot better than I originally thought, the Pro's of CB being what I wanted and challenged SB to demonstrate (and we got), but SB is still in denial about the cons of CB.
CB has issues, part of which being interface in how its used, that it is weak and wasted among high burst dps teammates, cold resist / immune targets, and high hp enemies that don't cluster.
One cast will not guarantee enemy death for players that are not SB or myself as SB advertises against Perilous targets for everyone (our combined skill, stats and gear are ridiculous vs everyone else). Threatening, sure, but at this point basic attacks guarantee quick deaths too on Threatening.
So it isn't an end-all-be all. Still awesome, but the usage models are different than advertised. Our third party Akots was able to use both with equal ability, which is good, but that means it also has weaknesses just as PC does (the most obvious being range).
It's actually pretty funny when he does it, though.
Yeah sure from a 3rd person point of view, it really reminds me of when I used to play call of duty when I was back in high school. 10 year old kids screaming at how its the other 5 people on the teams fault you just died, because you are simply, the best, and it couldn't possibly be flawed gameplay. Id love to know how old Drasca actually now.
Threatening, sure, but at this point basic attacks guarantee quick deaths too on Threatening.
Didn't we already establish that your stats mathematically means you are playing at threatening difficulty whenever you play perilous, rendering this a moot point? Also, obligatory mention that you used to rage quit threatening too.
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