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[Snakebite]

 

There's an inherent irony to your first statement here, the very nature of declaring both abilities are great (and other accurate information on how to play), is telling people how to play, even when the intent is on not on what style they should play.

 

The inability to see weaknesses part is due to lack of serious burst dps competition on your part, since you're king of your pond. You wouldn't be casting CB, but would be casting FB (or other spells) instead around high burst players that I play with. I can't speak for your teammates, but mine would mop the floor with enemies and we're all stuck doing the waiting for spawn game-- and eating sandwiches while waiting.

 

I'd be casting CB and or PC as appropriately too, only at different ranges.

 

 

Statement 1:  This started as me correcting your incorrect statements about CB.  Notifying people that CB does reliably activate encore (whereas PC does not) and that CB cannot be blocked by swordsmen is not telling people how to play.  Showing people that CB can be just as viable as PC is not telling people which one to use.  Telling people not to use CB because it is terrible and instead tell them to use PC...  that is telling them how to play.

 

Statement 2:  Incorrect.  I play with highly competent and highly competitive people who vigorously compete with me for kills.  I would love to post a clip of the game I talked about earlier, but sadly I did not record it.  I guess will have to settle for something a bit less competative.  In my average game I might not have the most kills (usually I do), but I will top the scoreboad 95% of the time.

 

Wait, this statement is wrong, because you clearly need to use it vs enemy barriers & cold resistent enemies (were there cold immune enemies around? I don't recall), and it cuts down a lot more time than 'a few seconds'. If you want to demonstrate only using CB, go ahead, but I am certain you'll have longer results without PC -- and it isn't terribly fun to demonstrate.

 

 

So it isn't an end-all-be all. Still awesome, but the usage models are different than advertised. Our third party Akots was able to use both with equal ability, which is good, but that means it also has weaknesses just as PC does (the most obvious being range).

 

DD still take a decent amount of damage from CB.  They also take a lot of damage from fire staff auto-attacks or HL.  I actually find playing one class over and over mind numbing; let alone solo (in a team game).  I don't think I will be recording any more; it's just to time consuming and boring for the amount of gratification I get from you changing stances, yet still claiming I am wrong somehow.

[Gya]

Wait, it's over already? Who won? I need to know if I should clear inventory space for a massive influx of highland dirks.

[Hellsteeth30]

Wait, it's over already? Who won? I need to know if I should clear inventory space for a massive influx of highland dirks.

You'll lose most of them in tax.

[Gya]

You'll lose most of them in tax.

Ah, tax = CTD...

That's why I'm taking them 'cash in hand', so to speak. Just stick them in a bag marked "swag".

[Snakebite]

Here is what I have to far.

 

Demons (this was my second attempt) 11:58

 

 

Red Templars (fourth or fifth attempt)  13:11

 

 

Level 5 Demons (first attempt)  ^{mistakes were made but I persevered}

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2tPP80LppM

 

I would post Venatori but all attempts once I started recording were at least 40 seconds longer than the only one I tried before recording (it was 11:48, but I don't expect everybody or even more than a few to take my word on that.

 

Lets see you have Drasca, hmmm???  Maybe you can stop giving me excuses why it is slower, and just post it.

[Drasca]

Statement 1:  This started as me correcting your incorrect statements about CB.  Notifying people that CB does reliably activate encore (whereas PC does not) and that CB cannot be blocked by swordsmen is not telling people how to play.  Showing people that CB can be just as viable as PC is not telling people which one to use.  Telling people not to use CB because it is terrible and instead tell them to use PC...  that is telling them how to play.

 

Statement 2:  Incorrect.  I play with highly competent and highly competitive people who vigorously compete with me for kills.  I would love to post a clip of the game I talked about earlier, but sadly I did not record it. 

 

#1 You told people to use CB, quite a bit, and when/where you use it.

#2 That sucks, but if you play with them so often I'm sure it'll come again.

#3 You should still show off videos. I'm pretty sure people want to see you play (just look at all the people rooting for you on this thread). Of course, under your own terms and pace. You should not feel compelled or forced to make them. I'm certainly not going to. I do want to encourage you to make them for the benefit of all, including yourself-- but if you're not having fun, don't do it of course.

 

I too get burned out, so I am in no hurry to make more videos or do more solos quickly.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The goalposts are getting moved around so much, by the time this is over, it will be battle to the death over whether water is wet or moist.

[Proto]

So, snakebite wins? 

 

Luke where's my Crit Damage Ring?!

[Hellsteeth30]

The goalposts are getting moved around so much, by the time this is over, it will be battle to the death over whether water is wet or moist.

It's DAMP!

I'm here all week.

[Snakebite]

So, snakebite wins? 

 

Luke where's my Crit Damage Ring?!

 

What Drasca suggested to me was videos up by end of week.  I didn't suggest anything different or say that was not fine with me, so he has a few days.

 

#1 You told people to use CB, quite a bit, and when/where you use it.

#2 That sucks, but if you play with them so often I'm sure it'll come again.

#3 You should still show off videos. I'm pretty sure people want to see you play (just look at all the people rooting for you on this thread). Of course, under your own terms and pace. You should not feel compelled or forced to make them. I'm certainly not going to. I do want to encourage you to make them for the benefit of all, including yourself-- but if you're not having fun, don't do it of course.

 

I too get burned out, so I am in no hurry to make more videos or do more solos quickly.

 

#1  I pointed out the Pros to CB (as well as dispelling your incorrect facts about it, that you have yet to fess up to), I said why I use it, and I said it would be easier for people without high promotes to use.  I did not say "You should use CB instead of PC" in any blatant way, have I?  If I have, quote it, and I will apologize for the whole "don't tell people how to play" thing.

#2  I do have a secondary clip on standby, but it just does not demonstrate how powerful it can still be in a high burst DPS environment quite as well.  Haven't I posted enough demonstrations of CB already?

#3  I will.  I do enjoy showing some interesting things I can do or things many people have not though of.  Your suggestion to use offhand Audacity on the Duelist spread that awesomeness much faster than if would have by PUG's word of mouth.  If you do end up posting a clip of PC on Venatori, I might even be tempted to make another attempt at it.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It's DAMP!

I'm here all week.

 

 

 

 

I'm slightly ashamed that I didn't think of it.

[yarpenthemad21]

I don't tell people to not attack my targets.  I don't tell people to refrain from using powerful burst damage abilities.  I do however get more than enough kills to make CB more than worthwhile, and even if they do grab my kill, I helped the team clear faster and gain more experience by hitting just about every target with very little effort put forth.
 
I don't tell people how and how not to play.  People don't need to be told how to play their game.  That is the main reason I finally broke down and posted.
They do need accurate information on abilities strengths and weaknesses so they can choose for themselves how to play. People were not getting this before I posted.  If you choose to continue using PC over CB, then I won't fault you; it's a great ability.

It's not accurate information about abilities. Solo run is never ever about it.

I will still continue to not use CB as main and default song. My promotions does not give me even chance to play with the way you can. For me every ambush, random arrow, CC can be lethal, for you red templar arrow is 70 damage, for me more like 300. You should feel the difference. You can with 10% HoK heal from every single attack. As soon as enemies don't hit you more than twice you can't be dead just by definition.
My default song is barrier. I change to power cord when needed. Time for CB is somewhere when barrier is good, everybody at range and enemies are stacked enough, so not that often.

[Snakebite]

 

CB is also bugged for encore, whereas direct damage does trigger encore, further reducing CB's usefulness.

 

 

 

CB can be blocked by footsoldiers

 

 

 

Not once have I seen a footsoldier block CB.  I even sat and tried to get some footsoldiers to block one by alternating casting HL and CB back and forth at them; HL was blocked about half the time, CB not once

 

 

The real point of showing off is the demonstration of skills involved by players that know how.

 

 

FTFY. Actually I just want Snakebite to show off to everyone how he plays CB when he tries, and vice versa. However he didn't know about killer set encores, so that would've been in my favor (more free casts --> faster clear) if not for the fact I prefer people actually learning to play moreso than competition.

 

 

Showing people how I can speed through a level will not show people how to play properly due to the nature of taking risks that others couldn't survive just to kill quicker; and I would assume the same of yours.  I doubt this is about teaching people how to play;  seems more like feeding ego to me.

 

 

It's not accurate information about abilities. Solo run is never ever about it.

I will still continue to not use CB as main and default song. My promotions does not give me even chance to play with the way you can. For me every ambush, random arrow, CC can be lethal, for you red templar arrow is 70 damage, for me more like 300. You should feel the difference. You can with 10% HoK heal from every single attack. As soon as enemies don't hit you more than twice you can't be dead just by definition.
My default song is barrier. I change to power cord when needed. Time for CB is somewhere when barrier is good, everybody at range and enemies are stacked enough, so not that often.

 

So... Did you not even bother to read?

 

Were my corrections not accurate?  Is CB bugged with encore?  Is PC not bugged with encore?  Can swordsmen in fact block CB?

 

You make a post that attacks me by saying that solo runs on highly promoted characters don't demonstrate how your average player can use that class.  This was my point.

 

Drasca was arguing the opposite.  Your attack on me actually attacks Drasca's argument and fortifies my own.  Your attempt to skew my post has failed.

 

What really cracks me up is how Drasca then likes this post.     

 

@Drasca  Do you like posts that try to discredit me just because, or did you change your mind???

[Drasca]

@Drasca  Do you like posts that try to discredit me just because, or did you change your mind???

 

I like to take naps, which I'm going to do right now.

[Cirvante]

You two need to take a bubble bath.

[kmeeg]

Do not let this topic die. Rarely have I had this much fun reading the forums 

[Wavebend]

Here is what I have to far.

 

Demons (this was my second attempt) 11:58

 

Red Templars (fourth or fifth attempt)  13:11

 

Level 5 Demons (first attempt)  ^{mistakes were made but I persevered}

 

I would post Venatori but all attempts once I started recording were at least 40 seconds longer than the only one I tried before recording (it was 11:48, but I don't expect everybody or even more than a few to take my word on that.

 

Lets see you have Drasca, hmmm???  Maybe you can stop giving me excuses why it is slower, and just post it.

 

So weird, I almost have the feeling I'm playing. Are we related somehow

[Laforgus]

There seem to be two camps:

 

1. Thinks both abilities are viable and useful

 

2. Thinks cool beats is useless

 

Camp 1 AKA Snakebite was challenged to prove cool beats usefulness through a Thunderdome by Drasca who is part of Camp 2.

 

Camp 2 will either decide cool beats is useful or will just continue to think its pointless.

 

Cool beats is useful, but is not as great as Power Chord, I will agree CB is great when i see hit everything around Zither.

[Wavebend]

Cool beats is useful, but is not as great as Power Chord, I will agree CB is great when i see hit everything around Zither.

 

Hot Licks is better than both.

 

Power Chord is 400% damage, but only when enemies are within <2m range.

Cool Beats is 300% damage / second, lasts 12 seconds, is AoE and ranged.

 

Still, none of them are 400% damage, ranged, AoE and none of them make cool looking explosions in the air when hitting the High Dragon in flight.

 

Hot Licks all day, everyday.

 

/thread

[Akir388]

Team support Zither all day everyday for me.

[Proto]

/thread

 

No sir.

[Courtnehh]

Hahaha wow, why is it that every time Drasca gets corrected on here he ignores it? Just like every other post I guess. Always attacking snake for something completely unrelated to what the conversation was about.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Hahaha wow, why is it that every time Drasca gets corrected on here he ignores it? Just like every other post I guess. Always attacking snake for something completely unrelated to what the conversation was about.

I would expect nothing less than a derailment of any thread by the almighty drasca =)

[ALTBOULI]

Team support Zither all day everyday for me.

Every day i'm Zithering!

[Courtnehh]

Every day i'm Zithering!

 

*plays the following tones out of tune*