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[ALTBOULI]

Yarpen, I don't think you have read many of these posts because you clearly don't understand why Snake started posting or why he posted these videos.
 
Drasca was giving out incorrect information on some of Zither's passives/abilities. Snake called him out on this, saying coolbeats wasn't worthless, Snake argued the opposite. Drasca issued Snake a thunderdome challenge, Snake accepted. They are the videos you see, they aren't to show any in depth game mechanics or guides, they were a speed run challenge.
 
Attacking Snake on his gameplay or ability choice on a speedrun when he is purposefully showing that CB (the move he primarily used) isn't worthless and that it can finish a speedrun quicker than Drasca can with PC is just moronic. You missed the point completely.
 
Snake didn't issue any challenges, Snake didn't ask to compare e-peens Drasca did. Snake just obliged.

I sense a second thunderdome on the horizon!

[Courtnehh]

I don't remember seeing the other half of the first one

[Yumi]

Yarpent, telling it like it smells.

**** just got real people.

Stay tuned as I reveal who Gya's real father is!

I thought Gya sprang from the gory remains of Shiva's head when Zeus skull capped that hoe.

[yarpenthemad21]

Yarpen, I don't think you have read many of these posts because you clearly don't understand why Snake started posting or why he posted these videos.
 
Drasca was giving out incorrect information on some of Zither's passives/abilities. Snake called him out on this, saying coolbeats wasn't worthless, Snake argued the opposite. Drasca issued Snake a thunderdome challenge, Snake accepted. They are the videos you see, they aren't to show any in depth game mechanics or guides, they were a speed run challenge.
 
Attacking Snake on his gameplay or ability choice on a speedrun when he is purposefully showing that CB (the move he primarily used) isn't worthless and that it can finish a speedrun quicker than Drasca can with PC is just moronic. You missed the point completely.
 
Snake didn't issue any challenges, Snake didn't ask to compare e-peens Drasca did. Snake just obliged.

Reading this topic in general is not very good idea. Too much trolls with too many gifs.

Proving that something isn't worthless by making solo video and ignoring major flaws from average player in average group setup is just waste of time. Problem is not that cool beats is worthless, because it's silly. Problem is how to use it good in general. Flaws of cool beats are connected not with skill itself but with usability problems around it. Where I have answer for it?
Those videos was a e-peens show off, even if snake or drasca does not think that way. There nothing new in them, nothing helpful for new players in them and nothing which can help other player to play game/class better.

Also this topic name was changed, I've started to post here with other topic, so don't connect me with this "thunderdome" silliness.

[ALTBOULI]

 

 
Okay, that's my contribution for the day.

My rebuttal

[Courtnehh]

Yarpen I agree, it was an e-peen show off that Drasca started. Snake didn't see the point which he stated earlier in the postings, he even said it doesn't benefit anyone in any way. However BSNers wanted to see it and Drasca kept the smack talk on then when it came down to it only Snake performed. So don't come at Snake like that when the point of him making that video was a response to an issued challenge. There is a perfectly good thread on Virtuoso builds already up, you should probably take your criticisms there.

[ALTBOULI]

Yarpen I agree, it was an e-peen show off that Drasca started. Snake didn't see the point which he stated earlier in the postings, he even said it doesn't benefit anyone in any way. However BSNers wanted to see it and Drasca kept the smack talk on then when it came down to it only Snake performed. So don't come at Snake like that when the point of him making that video was a response to an issued challenge. There is a perfectly good thread on Virtuoso builds already up, you should probably take your criticisms there.

^Snakebite alt

[Courtnehh]

I haven't been carried enough to have stats like that, you guys should be carrying me to #1. That's how it works on XB1 right?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

My rebuttal

 

I'll raise you a forward Zither! with a half twist:

 

 

Also works as a "Haters gonna hate" gif.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I... think it might be the same horse... 

[Courtnehh]

It's the same advert

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It's the same advert

 

I think I'm gonna hafta do some gügling to find it!

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

That commercial is awesome!

 

 

It's literally an ad telling people to be silly on the internet! 

 

 

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[Laforgus]

Snakebite stop, hes already dead!

Some straight up humiliation going on here. If you look at the comments here, drasca goes from posting gladiator videos and screaming thundadumb, but fails to post any videos.

Snakebite meanwhile has posted 3, while drasca rage quits the thread after being beaten down by snakebite so hard he has to go sleep.

Only a day and a half left of this challenge (which drasca started btw) before Snakebite gets crowned Khaleesi of BSN, mother of Zithers, drascaslayer and the breaker of power chord.

 

Hey heyheyyy

 

I Bet this weekend's beer on Drasca.

 

Come on man do you expect me to play Dry?

 

[Drasca]

So don't come at Snake like that

 

You've missed the whole point of Yarpen's arguement. It isn't about SB, but what he does and argues. CB isn't the end-all-be-all that SB proposes. I challenged SB so both of us put up video so we all benefit. That happened. You can rabble rouse all you like, but that's the result. Yarpen wants support virtuoso demonstrated and explained, and believes that best for low promote players.

 

That said, support virtuoso isn't end-all-be-all either, even though that's what Yarpen wants to see a tutorial on. It is entirely valid to demonstrate offensive virtuoso tutorials too (even for low promote/gear players). We need them all actually (including the pure entertainment challenge videos). However thus far, only SB, myself and WB have put up videos at all on BSN.

 

Rabble rousing about the videos isn't helpful. Encouraging what is made, and what we want to actually see however is.

 

Do as you like within the BSN forum rules, but some things are productive, and some things are not. I prefer the productive camp-- even if my methods are beyond certain people.

[Drasca]

Hey heyheyyy

 

I Bet this weekend's beer on Drasca.

 

Come on man do you expect me to play Dry?

 

LOL peanut gallery's rabble rousing doesn't matter. Its the rules between SB and myself that do. The peanut gallery means absolutely nothing. You should put them on the ignore list as I do.

 

PS: I posted the first video, and cleared at the lowest level at the fastest time first.

[ALTBOULI]

That commercial is awesome!
 

 
It's literally an ad telling people to be silly on the internet! 
 
 
I'M HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME

It's the greatest commercial of our generation, a masterpiece. Now 3 has adverts with Kevin Bacon in it

Get off my TV BACON!!!!!

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

You can rabble rouse all you like, but that's the result.

 

You're really going to play this off as the rest of us are the aggressive rabble-rousers?

 

I think I'm okay with being on your ignore list. 

[Drasca]

You're really going to play this off as the rest of us are the aggressive rabble-rousers?

 

I think I'm okay with being on your ignore list. 

 

Actually you're not among them. You can pretty easily guess who is however.

[Proto]

Power Cord is best offensive ability zither has. Not cool beats.

Cool beats use "worst" type of elemental damage, require precise aiming and even damage isn't that great, when we all know that burst is the king.

On your video it's easy to see that one stalker almost killed you, just because you wanted for some strange reason hit it with cool beats. You even changed song to barrier and let party kill it. This video pretty much showed everything not that great with cool beats, so problem when you stay on cool beats song, something ambushed you and you need change song and deal with enemy somehow. If you stayed on power cord or barrier you would just ignored this stalker.

 

Problem with virtuoso in general is simple:

1) Reaction is long when you want to change from one song to another. It's also lag sensitive. If I had cool beats and power cord on 2 separate buttons I could just alternate them and use cool beats to the fullest, but it's not working that way. Delay + pushing several buttons is slow.

2)Cool beats kill time is very high. those ticks for 500 maybe looks cool but if you think that generic unit has around 4k health (so you need 8 ticks) it does not look that great.

3) General problem with DoT damage. Cool beats last long enough and has enough damage to kill targets (even groups of standing archers for example) when cast on them. But you need to w8 for it. Because of it damage is wasted. Party members would also target those enemies (every sane player should target stacked group of units) and they just attack it to death. So in general you will get maybe 3 ticks of damage (even your short video shows it) so in general you deal with cool beats quite low damage.

Also venatori faction tend to "stack" the most, on demons where wraith spread all over the place and units in general move aoe power of cool beats does not shine so much. You also need to change targets constantly to use cool beats in proper way, which is also annoying.

 

 

I don't know about what you are talking about now. Some ego problems maybe?

Your videos showed nothing new in terms of mechanic of cool beats. I've learned nothing from it, which I haven't knew before this videos.
My main problem with cool beats is what I said, in party setup flaws are huge and it is also a worst song to choose as default song. You ignored it talking about some "scoring top with friends".
Average player is dead by 3 arrows. not 30 like you. This makes barriers less gameplay not that much good. In team setup when you need to choose -> cast barrier to barrier 4 ppl, so archer, other mage etc can ignore damage and focus on dps OR be selfish and pew pew with cool beats so maybe after 12 seconds someone die (with a risk of party members dying and not doing 100% dps at this time) you can choose the second if you like. But me not. For me cool beats is a "additional" skill, taken after other skills, not as first possible like you do. It's a "bonus" damage and just it.

Problem with all those videos, including drasca ones is that you in general play badly, without promotion you will be dead several times. Promotions give you that amount of defense that you can ignore single attacks and focus on damage all the time. If we add to it general poor AI of enemies which don't know what to do with running around player we have a result which is a gameplay in which you can spam one skill for the 95% of the time.
This type of gameplay does not show or teach ppl anything. New player watch it and can't take anything from it, because he/she knows that this this 2 arrows in that moment would kill him/her, not just take 10% of health...
Because of that you made virtuoso, class which lacks variety (4 songs at max worth anything) even less fun. One skill pony, definition of it.
We need more videos of how to play it good. How to cycle songs, use variety of them to buff party, be prepared for ambush, how to in general move as virtuoso with different party setup (all range, all melee, mixed), what is a priority etc. Why you say? Because for example lack of barrier using gives you less xp so how we should use barrier to make highest possible xp benefit and at the same time deal damage with whatever.
Those videos shows nothing of it. Just couple of higly promoted players competing between each other which clear time is shortest. So much useful.

 

 

Reading this topic in general is not very good idea. Too much trolls with too many gifs.

Proving that something isn't worthless by making solo video and ignoring major flaws from average player in average group setup is just waste of time. Problem is not that cool beats is worthless, because it's silly. Problem is how to use it good in general. Flaws of cool beats are connected not with skill itself but with usability problems around it. Where I have answer for it?
Those videos was a e-peens show off, even if snake or drasca does not think that way. There nothing new in them, nothing helpful for new players in them and nothing which can help other player to play game/class better.

Also this topic name was changed, I've started to post here with other topic, so don't connect me with this "thunderdome" silliness.

 

Yarp, you should checkout Wavebend's thread. It seems to be more of what you would like to see. http://forum.bioware...promoted-scrub/

 

Finding out Cool Beats can do a substantial amount of DPS, that PC doesn't trigger encore correctly and when it does trigger still consumes mana obviously wasn't any benefit to you.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Get off my TV BACON!!!!!

 

I know I have removed the context but BACON IS LIFE

 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Finding out Cool Beats can do a substantial amount of DPS, that PC doesn't trigger encore correctly and when it does trigger still consumes mana obviously wasn't any benefit to you.

 

I'm pretty sure nothing Snakebite could say or do would have had any impact, given how often the goal posts get moved every time he answers either of them.

[Drasca]

 PC doesn't trigger encore correctly and when it does trigger still consumes mana obviously wasn't any benefit to you.

 

This is not always true. Unfortunately finding out the exact conditions on what happens and why is actual hard bug-sleuthing work.

[Proto]

This is not always true. Unfortunately finding out the exact conditions on what happens and why is actual hard bug-sleuthing work.

 

Drasca, the fact that we don't know the exact conditions doesn't change the fact that under the majority of conditions the following is true:

 

 

PC doesn't trigger encore correctly and when it does trigger still consumes mana

[Texasmotiv]

That commercial is awesome!

 

 

It's literally an ad telling people to be silly on the internet! 

 

 

I'M HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME

There is an awful lot of fleetwood mac on the forum lately. This is a positive thing.