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You claim to stop replying to me, yet you keep on doing so as pretexts to insult rather than communicate.

 

 

Except when you use it to insult of course. That's ok apparantly. If you did have any of the training you claimed, you should have more self control than this, but of course we can't expect much from you either way.

 

Complains about insulting, literally in the next sentence you insult mortiel. Whats wrong with you? Like seriously, im genuinely concerned for you at this point.



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I agree that things have gone off topic a bit, but the original challenge remains, and I think it's only fair to Drasca to give him time to finish his videos.

Regardless of the nastiness, which has gone both ways, this thread has certainly educated me, at least, regarding cool beats and power chord. (It's also been hilarious at times.)


It's hilarious until you see my PM inbox. It's not pretty.
 
I definitely agree that there was some good information about Zither... at least at first. Unfortunately, it's been too mired and convoluted to make out what the point even was (which was simply that Cool Beats is a viable skill, countered by the claim that Power Chord is better). That has been so warped that it's difficult to keep it straight.

And it's not like Drasca can't still share his video. No harm in that at all. Hell, there is even a thread already made about it.
 

Complains about insulting, literally in the next sentence you insult mortiel. Whats wrong with you? Like seriously, im genuinely concerned for you at this point.

 
Anger. I struck a powerful chord. When you do what something like what I did, the reaction is rarely positive. There is no need to delve into it further. As I said, the topic should just be dropped so it doesn't get worse.



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It's hilarious until you see my PM inbox. It's not pretty.
 
I definitely agree that there was some good information about Zither... at least at first. Unfortunately, it's been too mired and convoluted to make out what the point even was (which was simply that Cool Beats is a viable skill, countered by the claim that Power Chord is better). That has been so warped that it's difficult to keep it straight.

And it's not like Drasca can't still share his video. No harm in that at all. Hell, there is even a thread already made about it.
 

 
Anger. I struck a powerful chord. When you do what something like what I did, the reaction is rarely positive. There is no need to delve into it further. As I said, the topic should just be dropped so it doesn't get worse.

 

Im going to wait until monday because I can't wait to see Drasca officially fail (even though he already has), then ill nuke this thread myself.



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Im going to wait until monday because I can't wait to see Drasca officially fail (even though he already has), then ill nuke this thread myself.

 

Fair enough.

 

With my current post count, I can now be capn223!



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I definitely agree that there was some good information about Zither... at least at first. Unfortunately, it's been too mired and convoluted 

 

You got that right.  I popped by because I still sorta stink at Zither!  but when it became apparent what the thread was about it was clear that nothing useful would come from it.



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1v1 me in the failuredome brah. We're both master race, let's make this happen! I propose the following rules:
First death = 100 points, all subsequent deaths = 25 points, every wrong note = 5 points, dying while trying to rez your opponent in a stupid position = 50 points.

I'm so gonna win :P

 

We failuredoming in the same lobby? You know already about the connection issues when we've tried to party up!



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Still no damn video. 


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A new champion has arisen.

Now if we could move onto PowerPoint presentations and lectures on why golf should be banned worldwide, we could kill this topic.

I'm nearly all the way through my Big Buk o' trollin'. I may have to write a new one at this rate.

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You got that right.  I popped by because I still sorta stink at Zither!  but when it became apparent what the thread was about it was clear that nothing useful would come from it.

 

Hopefully here soon (if I can get the time), I hope to have my Zither and Isabela guides up. Comically, Zither features Cool Beats as the main offensive skill, It seriously was not intentional, but Snakebite's brilliant work has definitely made me feel better about the choice.

 

Side Note/Disclaimer: If you are an "efficiency" player, don't watch the Isabela guide once I get it uploaded. I know a few people here that are going to have things to say about it lol. While the Virtuoso guide is a bit more of an efficient build, I definitely went with a more "hipster" build with the Duelist.


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You got that right.  I popped by because I still sorta stink at Zither!  but when it became apparent what the thread was about it was clear that nothing useful would come from it.


This is all you need:
http://forum.bioware...t-zither-build/

We failuredoming in the same lobby? You know already about the connection issues when we've tried to party up!

 
First one to fail to connect wins... shotgun not hosting!

Hopefully here soon (if I can get the time), I hope to have my Zither and Isabela guides up. Comically, Zither features Cool Beats as the main offensive skill, It seriously was not intentional, but Snakebite's brilliant work has definitely made me feel better about the choice.
 
Side Note/Disclaimer: If you are an "efficiency" player, don't watch the Isabela guide once I get it uploaded. I know a few people here that are going to have things to say about it lol. While the Virtuoso guide is a bit more of an efficient build, I definitely went with a more "hipster" build with the Duelist.


Lemme guess... Broadsides, ambush, swashbuckle, blank ability because hipster...? :P

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Lemme guess... Broadsides, ambush, swashbuckle, blank ability because hipster...? :P

 

Nope. All four skills are Blinding Shot.

EDI: "That was a joke."


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Lemme guess... Broadsides, ambush, swashbuckle, blank ability because hipster...? :P

 

Parry, Evade, Keelhaul then Gangway hipster probably (sub in Flanking Attack somewhere), never get hit, and never do much damage. The run away, far far away, Duelist.



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Parry, Evade, Keelhaul then Gangway hipster probably (sub in Flanking Attack somewhere), never get hit, and never do much damage. The run away, far far away, Duelist.


Nope. Wrong. I already said: 4x Blinding Shot.
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In some sort of attempt to un-derail (re-rail???) this thread, I do have an example of what using a low level CB Zither! in a high burst DPS environment looks like.  Me and two friends, and a PUG (bet you can't guess who the PUG was!).  My instructions to them were to try to steal all my kills.

 


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I have correct factual guides and videos, and most of the time you've either got bad guides or mechanics completely wrong. I've criticized you before, and I'm not alone in pointing out how absurdly bad your understanding is of the game, or how misleading your guides have been.

 

I'll be blunt and get to the point, as I don't need long stories of false authority. You're aren't nearly as smart as you claim, and you're certainly not right.

 

I'll be blunt and get to the point, as I don't need 23 pages to waste people's time: You aren't smart, your claims are often false, and you're not usually right.


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I just realised that Cold Beats has such an underwhelming spell effect. 



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In some sort of attempt to un-derail (re-rail???) this thread

 

Steamrolling in with actual content? WTF is this? That isn't BSN. LOL GJ SB, though I think this might also be a case of "which players play more aggressive" at running to the back, and who's more willing to sandbag the VC and kill mooks instead (which your teammates failed to do).

 

You saw in my video how the RTC boss was dead within .. what was it roughly 40 seconds after we plant the flag (and he has mandatory potion transitions we have to wait on!), but you guys sandbagged the VC who really should be dead within 5-10 seconds, and take a full minute later. VC isn't that hard, and should've been killed much faster had your party been higher dps.

 

LOL you're right that 'we can guess who's the pug', but he actually was more aggressive (though seems less geared / promoted) than your ringers -- until minute 1:14 where he goes for the veilfire instead of killing stuff.

 

No offense to you, but your ringers aren't good at running to the back and kill stealing before you get there, and didn't follow the kill stealing mantra. Heck I know Alchemists that are more aggressive than these guys (seriously who stops and waits at the first trash mobs)-- the teammate I play with that runs alchemist (shocking that I let alchemists play, I know) is extremely good and aggressive at his kit.

 

Either way though, virtuoso is fun. LOL



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Nope. Wrong. I already said: 4x Blinding Shot.

 

The said thing is, I really really want to like Blinding shot.



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Reserved


I'm reserving this reservation despite my reservations.

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Steamrolling in with actual content? WTF is this? That isn't BSN. LOL GJ SB, though I think this might also be a case of "which players play more aggressive" at running to the back, and who's more willing to sandbag the VC and kill mooks instead (which your teammates failed to do).

 

You saw in my video how the RTC boss was dead within .. what was it roughly 40 seconds after we plant the flag (and he has mandatory potion transitions we have to wait on!), but you guys sandbagged the VC who really should be dead within 5-10 seconds, and take a full minute later. VC isn't that hard, and should've been killed much faster had your party been higher dps.

 

LOL you're right that 'we can guess who's the pug', but he actually was more aggressive (though seems less geared / promoted) than your ringers -- until minute 1:14 where he goes for the veilfire instead of killing stuff.

 

No offense to you, but your ringers aren't good at running to the back and kill stealing before you get there, and didn't follow the kill stealing mantra. Heck I know Alchemists that are more aggressive than these guys (seriously who stops and waits at the first trash mobs)-- the teammate I play with that runs alchemist (shocking that I let alchemists play, I know) is extremely good and aggressive at his kit.

 

Either way though, virtuoso is fun. LOL

 

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Steamrolling in with actual content? WTF is this? That isn't BSN. LOL GJ SB, though I think this might also be a case of "which players play more aggressive" at running to the back, and who's more willing to sandbag the VC and kill mooks instead (which your teammates failed to do).

You saw in my video how the RTC boss was dead within .. what was it roughly 40 seconds after we plant the flag (and he has mandatory potion transitions we have to wait on!), but you guys sandbagged the VC who really should be dead within 5-10 seconds, and take a full minute later. VC isn't that hard, and should've been killed much faster had your party been higher dps.

LOL you're right that 'we can guess who's the pug', but he actually was more aggressive (though seems less geared / promoted) than your ringers -- until minute 1:14 where he goes for the veilfire instead of killing stuff.

No offense to you, but your ringers aren't good at running to the back and kill stealing before you get there, and didn't follow the kill stealing mantra. Heck I know Alchemists that are more aggressive than these guys (seriously who stops and waits at the first trash mobs)-- the teammate I play with that runs alchemist (shocking that I let alchemists play, I know) is extremely good and aggressive at his kit.

Either way though, virtuoso is fun. LOL


Too many things you miss-analyzed for me to go into depth on right now. As for the "no offence" part, it is obvious offence is your intent.
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In some sort of attempt to un-derail (re-rail???) this thread, I do have an example of what using a low level CB Zither! in a high burst DPS environment looks like.  Me and two friends, and a PUG (bet you can't guess who the PUG was!).  My instructions to them were to try to steal all my kills.


Let analyze this video.
On wave 1 and 2 you play as typical over promoted player. You rush without rime or reason, leaving single and spreaded out targets around the place. Party stays behind and need to deal with it. Why Avvars stay behind? Still Duelist player greatly showed how powerful burst damage can be, wiping whole group at the end of wave 1 with single broadside, right after you attacked will cool beats on 3 targets and get around 2-3 ticks of damage.
On wave 3, when group at last get ahead of you, your cool beats were just useless, you ticked maybe twice. Still at the end of final group you just run ahead of group and deal some damage. Player who played Duelist do it right, but those avvars? Nope, they too slow, either lacking passive for speed or just ability to run. Avvar shoudn't deal with single targets, LW should kill it.
Wave 4, you got on first and run way ahead of group leaving for them those "ticking" targets. But all this rush at the end was wasted because few mobs spawned way behind spread widely group of players. Time wasted, probably because of your rush.
Wave 5, typical over promoted gameplay. 3 players staying close to each other and one running around soaking damage from everywhere, pew pewing with cool beats at random direction. Without billion cunning and tons of healh you shoudn't try it at home. Huge numbers of kills comes from this wave, still duelist got more kills. Avvars play poorly.

Sum up.
Maybe you told this group to "steal" your kills, but it's obvious that they don't know how to do it. Me as Avvar, would not run as last player (what was often in your video) but as first. I have 2 passives to boost my speed and even I could get your song too. I would leave single mobs and focus on groups ahead hitting them with crushing leap and start and maintaining LW all the time. On venatori it should work very well because general units, archers and zealots I can kill with Crushing Leap as it's own. 4k damage isn't that hard to get really.

Scoreboard, nothing new. We all know that the more targets you "tag" the better xp you get. Cool beats is great tool for it, not doubt. Still maybe giving barrier from time to time would be even more beneficial to xp? We don't know, it's impossible to test in that type of dynamical environment. XP in general does not directly applies to being effective, with AW being probably prime example.

What we can say about Cool Beats in general after those videos.
1) It works greatly with highly promoted players, which can just rush or move around casting it on everything.
2) It works with soloing where you have full control of spawns, where mobs move etc.
3) It has great synergy with Encore, still you need to get kill by either aoe or direct damage part, so in group setup when targets will be killed by other player it could not work that great.
4) Best spell Virtuoso has on faction bosses, strangely because it's cold it's in general best elemental type for it.

Flaws
1) Cool beats can't crit. This makes building virtuoso...strange. On one side you want crit damage to boost Power Chord, basic attack and Killer Set but on the other hand Cool Beats are based only on base damage and +attack%.
2) Targeting. I don't know how it works on console, because your videos shows godly aiming skills in terms of changing targets. On PC I have either mouse or TAB, mouse is for everything (including moving camera) and TAB sometimes makes stupid choices. Problem with TAB is that it maybe change targets in good way but makes bad "first" choice, so in most cases for close range I use this auto aim (or whatever this soft targeting is cold) and mouse targeting for longer range.
How it affect my gameplay? I can't just run ahead as virtuoso and tag everything on way, I will be dead. So I will stay with group and will use cool beats from range. Auto aim in general is more made for archers etc, so it sticks with target and even choose the closest one. This forces me to manually aim with mouse and tab which is slow and annoying and breaks effectiveness.
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