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[Drasca]

On Xbox One,

 

I just saw your past broadcast on twitch.

 

CB looks less awkward to use on Controller than KB&M. Cycle target is not fun to use on KB&M, but still wastes time if the target is venatori or demons.

 

You have as ridiculous stats which enable you to shrug off arrows as I do, and play a pure open area kiting style except not purely at long distance. As yarpen points out to others, you could've used PC to finish enemies off immediately (which you do at times) at close range instead of CB. Within about 2 seconds of travel time which is somewhere between the 5 to 10 meter range, you can close distance under 2m and finish an enemy with one PC, but you spend time casting 3-4 cold beats instead, when everything could've been dead 5 seconds ago.

 

"Thanks for the kill steal" is what you comment to others, but you could easily be the one doing the kill steals via PC, if you actually used it at the correct engagement distance.

 

You don't use cover much, which limits enemy clustering, and slows down kill speed.

 

If you actually used PC, you would be killing faster with fewer casts per kill (killing up to 3+ per PC cast). I cannot prove how much encore works or fails to work on XB1, as I don't have XB1. I can only show what happens on PC. Given we have similar stats, and presumably gear (I use all crit damage bonus stuff, including dex amulet), you could use PC more reliably if you bothered to learn.

 

At close to medium range (5,-10m, PC dominates. At long range (15m+), CB is best. The 10-15m range is a gray area that depends on terrain.

[Snakebite]

You have as ridiculous stats which enable you to shrug off arrows as I do, and play a pure open area kiting style except not purely at long distance. As yarpen points out to others, you could've used PC to finish enemies off immediately (which you do at times) at close range instead of CB. Within about 2 seconds of travel time which is somewhere between the 5 to 10 meter range, you can close distance under 2m and finish an enemy with one PC, but you spend time casting 3-4 cold beats instead, when everything could've been dead 5 seconds ago.

 

 

I chose to play this way because I can and it is faster while soloing than running and pulling around corners.  I know how to use cover.  I know how to play it safe.  How do you thing I made it to where I am?

 

What do you think would be easier for someone without very high stats?  Taking a few pot-shots with CB and hiding in cover with the rest of your team as you buff, or trying to get close to everything to PC.  Unless you are right on top of everything (practically toughing), PC damage is less than CB.  You only need to hit 3 targets with CB before you damage starts to ramp up higher than PC, at which point you can do other buffs for your team while continuing to do damage.  Half the things you hit will even die on their way to close with your team.  I know you say "Everything should be dead in 2 seconds or you are doing it wrong", but most of us don't usually have a dedicated team of people in the top 100, and actually have to PUG.

 

 

"Thanks for the kill steal" is what you comment to others, but you could easily be the one doing the kill steals via PC, if you actually used it at the correct engagement distance.

 

I'm not allowed to have a little friendly banter with some friends?  CB steals kills all the time from enemies I am not even aware someone else is fighting all the time.

 

 

If you actually used PC, you would be killing faster with fewer casts per kill (killing up to 3+ per PC cast). I cannot prove how much encore works or fails to work on XB1, as I don't have XB1. I can only show what happens on PC. Given we have similar stats, and presumably gear (I use all crit damage bonus stuff, including dex amulet), you could use PC more reliably if you bothered to learn.

 

I actually use PC, when I deem it to be more efficient to switch than cast more CB.  I spent multiple promotions not using CB at all, only using PC for my main offensive ability.  I know how to play this game, believe it or not.  I tell you PC is not sustainable on Xbox, yet you still claim that it is a L2P issue.  Do I need to provide a video showing just how useless it can be to change your L2P mantra?

[Drasca]

What do you think would be easier for someone without very high stats? 

 

Option C: Playing Barrier virtuoso, because low stats is also likely low gear. You wouldn't do sufficient damage without gear, assuming inquisition or barely better than inquisition gear. Once you have gear, then you go DPS.

 

There's no shame in ez-moding it until if you're struggling. If you're not struggling though, go for time efficiency, and that means PC at point blank range.

 

 

 trying to get close to everything to PC.  Unless you are right on top of everything (practically toughing), PC damage is less than CB.

 

You mean touching right? Gee, point blank range CQC, you mean like every melee character ever? If you don't know how to exploit this to your advantage, then yes you do need to L2P-- because who would rationally give up advantages? No one sane

 

 

  You only need to hit 3 targets

 

By that third cast I have already killed a dozen or more targets, and setup encores for more casts.

 

actually have to PUG

 

It's a coop game. Go make friends.

 

Also, you can't really use that excuse for yourself when you're solo'ing too. I've seen solo virtuoso, and I do the same, only in less time via PC.

 

 

  I know how to play this game, believe it or not.  I tell you PC is not sustainable on Xbox, yet you still claim that it is a L2P issue.  Do I need to provide a video showing just how useless it can be to change your L2P mantra?

 

Show, not tell. Please do. I've posted Virtuoso video on BSN. You should too.

 

Of course, if you don't care about time efficiency, kite all day. My mantra for PC to new guys is: You need to kill steal from us (team) to power the encores, so weaken or let us weaken the enemy first, and you go for the kill.

[Pork]

It's a coop game. Go make friends.

 

Ill expand on this point, in order to make friends, check the looking for group forum, add people from in game and conduct yourself in the exact opposite way that Douchesca does on these forums (i.e don't scream at people over their opinions about casual games).

[Snakebite]

I said "very high stats" not "complete noob". Do you ever see anyone running around with a staff other than the dragon staff? People who just started the game last week can have this staff. Anyone without a decent amount of promotions will get demolished in melee range.

As for my soloing, I do it to showcase how powerful the ability the thread is about. What your PC video conveys to me is that PC can make a competent group clear faster.

I will post a comparison between the two abilities when I get home from work.

[Snakebite]

By that third cast I have already killed a dozen or more targets, and setup encores for more casts.

You can't kill a dozen spread out enemies in 3 seconds with PC. You can however tag them with CB and they will be dead or close to it by the time they reach you.

[Proto]

 

Just curious, why not show the whole video? No Zone 1? Just the end of Zone 2? 

 

You had dogs instead of archers during Zone 2 and you just so happened to be fighting the lightning vulnerable dinosaurs instead of archers during Zone 3 and Zone 4. As easy as it gets.

 

Yet, your highest kill streak was 22. You provided almost no support to your team. I didn't see any Attack Speed, battle of the bands, in the entire video.

 

It took 2:30 to finish the second half of Zone 2 on FC. 

 

It took 1:50 to complete Zone 3.

 

It took 3:50 to complete Zone 4.

 

Sorry for my bluntness, but I wasn't too impressed. I witnessed a bunch of incorrect songs and rarely saw you taking advantage of opening set.

[Drasca]

I said "very high stats" not "complete noob". Do you ever see anyone running around with a staff other than the dragon staff? People who just started the game last week can have this staff.

 

Possible, but don't necessarily. You have to be carried and have prior knowledge (from yourself or others) in order for that to happen, and luck out on the drops. Do I need to remind you of the Dragon Loot Drop complaint thread? People that get 15x Longbows of the Dragon and not the maul or staff they want.

 

There's a middle ground between high stats and completely new character that's a bit more of a gray area.

 

 

You can't kill a dozen spread out enemies in 3 seconds with PC. You can however tag them with CB and they will be dead or close to it by the time they reach you.

 

Did I say they were spread out? No.

 

We can thunderdome this if you want to prove your point. Each of us can have a race on who's faster since we both have ridiculous stats and gear. Pick a faction and a map, and the fastest solo wins. Don't use hypothetical straw-men, demonstrate speed superiority yourself. Neither one of us can complain about promotion or gear unfairness from the other since both of us are extremely promoted and geared. No level, skill or gear restrictions, just upload it to youtube later with details on what you used-- though I'm certainly not going to use a level 20 Virtuoso since I promote at 20. I can already tell you Venatori and Demons are going to be decisively faster than using CB, while Templar requires using more CB kiting.

I dare you to claim you CB during the FC Z3 Demons.

 

On old maps, everything is guaranteed to be clustered. On FC, there are guaranteed clustered enemies, and lots of ways to force them to cluster, and melee enemies are guaranteed to follow the virutoso. Run to the back on Zone ones 1-3, kill all the clustered enemies, wait for spawns. Zone 4, very little spawn waiting.

 

Pretty much everything is annihilated on route on the old maps.

 

Either way, if you want to really prove CB is faster, show it on video.

[Courtnehh]

Watching some of douchekas videos all I see is a lot of telling people how they should be playing then not following his own advice himself, wonders why he gets so much hate when all he does it go from post to post berating every person he sees.

[Drasca]

Just curious, why not show the whole video? No Zone 1? Just the end of Zone 2?

 

Sorry for my bluntness, but I wasn't too impressed. I witnessed a bunch of incorrect songs and rarely saw you taking advantage of opening set.

 

Because I didn't think of taking a video at that time until I had some downtime during Z2.

 

I played poorly in the video, but it was good enough to demonstrate offensive virtuoso was potentially good despite all the nay-sayers at the time. Also, how powerful the nightmare combo is with PC.

 

 

You provided almost no support to your team. I didn't see any Attack Speed, battle of the bands, in the entire video.

 

Provide no support? LOL The whole point is you don't have to play support. The majority of the time we're waiting on enemies to trickle-spawn.

 

 

rarely saw you taking advantage of opening set.

 

Opening set blows. Too many basic attacks slow you down, and even Snakebite doesn't make this mistake of being stuck in place with basic attacks when you want to be moving fast.

 

It is all about the killer set encore triggering, via alternating songs + finishing killer set damage boosted basic attack blows. Unfortunately, I didn't learn that until after the video was made, but the video served its purpose.

[Proto]

We can thunderdome this if you want to prove your point. Each of us can have a race on who's faster since we both have ridiculous stats and gear. Pick a faction and a map, and the fastest solo wins. Don't use hypothetical straw-men, demonstrate speed superiority yourself. Neither one of us can complain about promotion or gear unfairness from the other since both of us are extremely promoted and geared. No level, skill or gear restrictions, just upload it to youtube later with details on what you used-- though I'm certainly not going to use a level 20 Virtuoso since I promote at 20. I can already tell you Venatori and Demons are going to be decisively faster than using CB, while Templar requires using more CB kiting.

I dare you to claim you CB during the FC Z3 Demons.

 

PLEASE THUNDERDOME.

 

Each of you should use your preferred play-style. No limitations should be set, meaning you shouldn't be limited to using only CB or only PC. Just play as you would normally play.

 

Lets chime in on what faction / map we would like to see? I personally would like to see a video featuring each of the three factions. 

 

Side bets anyone?!

[Courtnehh]

PLEASE THUNDERDOME.

 

Each of you should use your preferred play-style. No limitations should be set, meaning you shouldn't be limited to using only CB or only PC. Just play as you would normally play.

 

Lets chime in on what faction / map we would like to see? I personally would like to see a video featuring each of the three factions. 

 

Side bets anyone?!

All 3 factions, FC faction leaders #teammannypac

[Drasca]

PLEASE THUNDERDOME.

 

Oh I'd like this too. LOL

 

 

All 3 factions #teammannypac

 

You didn't say which map though. That matters too. But... I'm pro pac! Of course after that fight guess who was visiting children vs partying. I like the humanitarian.

 

 

Sorry for my bluntness, but I wasn't too impressed.

 

Oh. One more thing, believe it or not, that video was a pug--not a private group. The video's opening seconds showed the game was public. There was one friend in there, and I later befriended one of the pugs (but I didn't know half the players previously).

 

Despite little to no barrier for the pugs, they still pwnt everything with an offensive virtuoso around on Perilous AND killed the High Dragon quickly. That alone is a big deal.

[Texasmotiv]

...Im actually a fan of both abilities...

 

 

...I have both...

 

 

...why not both?  they are both valuable abilities...

 

 

I actually use PC, when I deem it to be more efficient to switch than cast more CB.

 

[Proto]

You didn't say which map though. 

 

All the maps are fine by me. FC would result in longer videos. If you choose to do all 3 factions I would pick one of the originals. 

 

I think non-dragon zone 5 would be more entertaining as well.

 

Oh. One more thing, believe it or not, that video was a pug--not a private group. The video's opening seconds showed the game was public. There was one friend in there, and I later befriended one of the pugs (but I didn't know half the players previously).

 

Despite little to no barrier for the pugs, they still pwnt everything with an offensive virtuoso around on Perilous AND killed the High Dragon quickly. That alone is a big deal.

 

Your two PUGS were solid. I think having no archers definitely helped, though. 

[Proto]

 

Shhhh. I want to see the Thunderdome. No logic needed here.

[Snakebite]

[quote name="Drasca" post="19249415" timestamp="1433869353"


I dare you to claim you CB during the FC Z3 Demons.

Run to the back on Zone ones 1-3, kill al
Either way, if you want to really prove CB is faster, show it on video.[/quote]

Cast CB, attack. CB, attack. No more despair demon.

I am not really sure why you are being so confrontational and acting like I offended you. I never said CB was faster than PC if encore worked correctly on both. I wish it did work correctly on PC because I do enjoy that ability and would use it more often. All I did was state that its pros and con's greatly outweigh those of PC on Xbox, one of those pros being that you don't need to kite as much as PC and that it is faster for me to not kite to a corner.

As for Thunderdome (excellent movie BTW, just rewatched it last week), I doubt I would win, seeing as CB sucks at killing bosses. It does sound fun though, and that's what games are all about, right? Do I get to choose what level we are, as long as it isn't 20?

[Drasca]

Your two PUGS were solid. I think having no archers definitely helped, though. 

 

Yep, loved those guys, but that was the point to make. It was no cherry-picked video of me playing at my best, amongst a private squad. It was playing on pug, in the wild, successfully-- when other people had not previously shown video of PC live, let alone successful offensive virtuoso in a team environment.

 

I liked lack of archers, but it wouldn't have changed much. We would've just turtled more under cover in Zone 3

 

 

What your PC video conveys to me is that PC can make a competent group clear faster.

 

This was one of the main points I was trying to convey. Though it should be obvious incompetent groups generally don't clear at all.

 

Shhhh. I want to see the Thunderdome. No logic needed here.

 

THUNDERDOME!!! The gauntlet is thrown. Let's see if Snakebite wants to accept.

[Snakebite]

Me either, but I guess Drasca wants a Thunderdome.

[Courtnehh]

Edited*

[Pork]

THUNDERDOME RULES:

 

• Fereldan Castle vs Red Templars with Shock Dragon (No dragon fight).

 

• Drasca may only use Power Chord.

 

• Snakebite may only use Cool Beats.

 

• Both players may use Auto Attacks, A Little Knight Music and Barrier. 

 

Solo is timed from the moment the zone 1 door opens to the point where the last enemy in zone 5 is killed.

 

Both players have until the Friday twitch stream to submit their results. 

 

Any objections from Drasca/Snakebite? 

[Proto]

Me either, but I guess Drasca wants a Thunderdome.

 

I want a thunderdome! Hmph

[ALTBOULI]

[Texasmotiv]

Should I be embarrassed that I am really excited for this?

[Pork]

Should I be embarrassed that I am really excited for this?

 

Nope. The thunderdomes in ME3 were things of legend.