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#26
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For good ending, should inquisitor drink from the well or Morrigan? I wouldnt like to make evil Morigan in future :)

 

Morrigan probably going to be fine , well...she doesn't need to drink from the Well , her mother laugh at her and point out how she already got her indoctrinated anyway.

It seems Flemythal is willing to let Morrigan have some knowledge from the magical soup , so it's more like a gift ...even if Morrigan is annoyed.



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Speaking of the Well of Sorrows was anyone else annoyed that only the mages in the group could be asked to go into the Well? I mean, seriously, why couldn't I order Blackwall to go in there? 

 

Hmm. Now I'm imagining what would of happened if I grabbed Sera and throw her into the Well. Wouldn't that be a spectacle to behold. 


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Hmm. Now I'm imagining what would of happened if I grabbed Sera and throw her into the Well. Wouldn't that be a spectacle to behold.


Hah! Sera would probably commit suicide. Or try to kill you which since you are the player character can be a form of suicide.

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I always laugh because, A.) Morrigan leaped before she looked, B.) And now she's bound to the geas for knowledge and the ability to turn into a dragon (poor hawke)... and I wasn't touching the pool of Fëanor crazy with a ten foot pole, no matter what knowledge was in it..

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Speaking of the Well of Sorrows was anyone else annoyed that only the mages in the group could be asked to go into the Well? I mean, seriously, why couldn't I order Blackwall to go in there? 

 

Hmm. Now I'm imagining what would of happened if I grabbed Sera and throw her into the Well. Wouldn't that be a spectacle to behold. 

 

I imagine it'd be like trying to hold a marlin with your bare hands. Lots of crazed flailing and maybe even slipping into stealth and disappearing. 



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It's called The Well of Sorrows...I mean, hello? Sorrows? No thanks...

Neither of my post temple Lavellan's drank from it

If they'd given it a nicer, less ominous name I might have thought about it...

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Spoiler

 

Meh.

 

I was thirsty anyway.


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For me, Morrigan was mychoice. I adore Morrigan and am a firm believer she's one of the "good" guys deep down, or at least some sort of chaotic neutral alignment. The being tied to Mythal thing makes me pretty uncomfortable though, especially when it was revealed to be Flemeth. :( However, even Flemeth's being good or "evil" I'm not too sure of anymore. It's definitely a story thread I'd like to see tied up.

 

In a pure RP-in-the-moment practical sense, Morrigan seemed the best choice. I never play as a Mage, and I wasn't Dalish, so I figured Morrigan is best equipped to deal with the fallout. I'd be curious to see how the Well thing turns out, but given the variables involved, I expect they would be wary of making it too central to future stories. 



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I will suggest to Drink only if you possess a devoted Dalish already bound to Mythal,the well of Sorrow is a religious choice,you become a faithful of Mythal.


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Speaking of the Well of Sorrows was anyone else annoyed that only the mages in the group could be asked to go into the Well? I mean, seriously, why couldn't I order Blackwall to go in there? 

 

Hmm. Now I'm imagining what would of happened if I grabbed Sera and throw her into the Well. Wouldn't that be a spectacle to behold. 

Sorry but Blackwall get annoyed to follow the instructions of people that command to him to drink something, last time he checked  was very unpleasant.
Oghren would have not refused..

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Speaking of choices, if it wasn't GoW A or B choice; I should be allowed to throw baldie in there until he drinks every last drop of the well, forcefully. -_-



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My characters always have the arcane knowledge perk. And once "binding geas of unknown power and influence" comes up, "lolnope" is my only answer.

 

Acquiring that knowledge might well have its uses, but I think when the price is a loss of autonomy the cost is never justified. 

That's sums it up nicely for me. My (main) Inquisitor really wanted that knowledge, so it was a value conflict of the highest order, but being under someone else's control is a price I would not pay. Lose a hand, or even an eye, and I would've done it. Lose my autonomy, nope. 


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I doubt it'll play a big role, if any. Now that Solas absorbed Flemythal he'll have her knowledge.



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On my initial playthrough, my mage Trevelyan let Morrigan drink with little hesitation. It was the Well of Sorrows and it apparently left me in servitude to an ancient elven god. Uhhh, no thanks. She wants to drink? Bottoms up!

Second playthrough was my mage Lavellan. I wanted to do something different, and heard that you got to tame a dragon. Eternal servitude to Mythal didn't sound so bad if I got to hang out with dragons. So I drank. And with an elven perspective of things, a well of ancient elven wisdom and power was pretty appealing. Also Morrigan is very sketchy in her attempts to convince you to let her drink. She wanted it a little too bad, and my character couldn't trust her (even if I knew that she was alright).

So I was a little disappointed when it was pretty explicitly stated that the Guardian was the ONLY dragon we get to bro down with, and it apparently dies while fighting the red lyrium dragon. Lame. And I love the delicious irony of Morrigan drinking and being forever bound to the one person in Thedas she wants to avoid/destroy.

My Lavellan is my canon Inquisitor, so I'm sticking with her drinking the Well. It's pretty unclear who she's bound to post-game, if anyone at all. Solas? Morrigan? Time will tell, but I find the world more interesting this way.

Also between this and having Frederic's people bringing a bunch of dragon eggs to Skyhold, I totally head-canon that my Inquisitor begins training an army of dragons. Just try and invade us, qunari.
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Honestly i'm being tired to be forced to give something to Morrigan otherwise i will pay some kind of repercussion
(sort of blackmail from the developers part),it was like this in DAO
(always refused the DR don't care for the price to pay) now is even worse because she  even stab Abela's to force to your throat this choice,this time the player is forced to play directly with the main character incolumity,Bioware stop this nightmare your Mary sue wll gain nothing from me,now i'm forced to play a Dalish already bound to mythal if i wish to take the well (she will never gain any dragon form)..
This mary sue now is even the narrator for the credit scene. and in the next game even a godess wow  something else bioware?....

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Honestly i'm being tired to be forced to give something to Morrigan otherwise i will pay some kind of repercussion
(sort of blackmail from the developers part),it was like this in DAO
(always refused the DR don't care for the price to pay) now is even worse because she  even stab Abela's to force to your throat this choice,this time the player is forced to play directly with the main character incolumity,Bioware stop this nightmare your Mary sue wll gain nothing from me,now i'm forced to play a Dalish already bound to mythal if i wish to take the well (she will never gain any dragon form)..
This mary sue now is even the narrator for the credit scene. and in the next game even a godess wow  something else bioware?....

 

Thank you. Someone understands my disdain for Morrigan. Somehow...someway she will make herself relevant. next game, as the writers always do.


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Thank you. Someone understands my disdain for Morrigan. Somehow...someway she will make herself relevant. next game, as the writers always do.

She is clearly a writers pet,however this does not mean that i must be forced to swallow the fact that i must do what she want me to do
(or the developers want me to do) otherwise i will pay some kind of price,it's a bit unfair,like the whole choice on the Well of Sorrow,you are forced by the narrative again to pay the price of the well or give to the unknown X factor Morrigan more power there is no other options,pff  give me a break bioware..


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Honestly i'm being tired to be forced to give something to Morrigan otherwise i will pay some kind of repercussion
(sort of blackmail from the developers part),it was like this in DAO
(always refused the DR don't care for the price to pay) now is even worse because she even stab Abela's to force to your throat this choice,this time the player is forced to play directly with the main character incolumity,Bioware stop this nightmare your Mary sue wll gain nothing from me,now i'm forced to play a Dalish already bound to mythal if i wish to take the well (she will never gain any dragon form)..
This mary sue now is even the narrator for the credit scene. and in the next game even a godess wow something else bioware?....


I've done two PTs and Morrigan never stabs Abelas.

Does it depend on a dialogue option, a choice or something like that?

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That only happens if you don't follow the ritual of petition at the temple, like she suggests.



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It seems to me that of the many implications The Well of Sorrows presents, the greatest and most obvious is a resurgence of Elvhen history, knowledge and power. As Solas reveals, the Dalish misremember much and get facts about their lost culture wrong. The knowledge stored in the Well of Sorrows can restore the history the Elves have lost. Morrigan implies that she wants this to happen but I think that the most impactful messenger/savior to the Elves is a female Dalish Keeper Inquisitor who had a relationship with the Dread Wolf himself. A Qunari in a relationship with a Seeker of Truth/Divine coming to tell the Elves of their history would probably be shot full of arrows. I really hope that the fate of the one who drank from the Well is followed through and not just taken away before we know what it really means like Kieran's "destiny" was.



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I wonder how influential the Well of Sorrows will be.   Morrigan repeatedly says how difficult it will be to process the information.   If you let her and there is no Kieran, then you get a scene with her revelling in how much she now understands but she never divulges more than she has to.    If you drink, then all you get from it is the ability to tame the dragon and to read a few old elven texts.     If it was going to suddenly reveal all sorts of wonderful revelations about elven history, why didn't it?   I suspect because they are going to say you were incapable of understanding what was revealed.  

 

There is also the odd conversation with Solas after you get back.   If you drink he goes on about how he warned you against it (possible because he knew he was going to kill Mythal?), although the writer admits that he forgot to put that conversation in at the Temple, so you only had that he didn't want to drink, which I must admit was sufficient to make all my Lavellans question the wisdom of doing so, along with the arcane knowledge of it being a geas and the less than savoury history revealed about the gods in the Temple.   Cole also said that it wouldn't be a good idea to let all those spirits into your head.    When a spirit tells you something is a bad idea, you really worry about the wisdom of doing it.   

 

However, the strangest part is when Solas asks you what you are going to do with the Well, even when you haven't actually drunk from it.    My latest run Morrigan had even told me that once Cory was defeated she was going to join the Warden in the west.    So it was totally irrelevant what I wanted to do with the Well since Morrigan was the one with control over it.      So I do wonder how important the Well can possibly be and that like the Dark Ritual, whether its relevance will be diminished over time.  It was something you did, or Morrigan did, to stop Cory from getting it and give you an edge in the final battle with him, but thereafter it is not going to significant.



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I think one of the consequences of not drinking from the Well should be that you don't discover anything about what the unreadable texts say. Meaning, that information is not accessible to that Inquisition. So it will be more difficult to piece together any relevant information about the next major development in this saga. Perhaps those who did drink should get a bonus quest for doing so. That would definately reward players who took the risk.

 

If I recall, at least one of the texts was about Andruil's spear, which is extremely hot and maybe made of star metal.

 

Another is about the Void, wherever that is.

 

So maybe those who drank can track down Andruil's spear, while those who didn't drink can't possibly find it. And in that case, Morrigan finds it instead? Well, she would still have needed to have read the inscriptions.


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That would certainly work for me.   Since Morrigan wasn't with us when we found the majority of the writings, I presume she won't be aware of their existence.   Unless of course she returned to the Arbor Wilds on her own.   Giving some sort of bonus quest/item means it can be made significant whether or not you took the risk without it impacting unduly on the plot.      After all it makes a big difference whether the Inquisitor is bound to Mythal or Morrigan is.   

 

Part of the argument against drinking was at that point Cory had still to be defeated and you were the only one with the anchor, so putting yourself at risk of possession by some other entity would not be a good idea, particularly since entities can be corrupted and the elven gods didn't seem a particularly savoury bunch.   We'd already seen Cory revive after seemingly being destroyed (and heard Varric/Hawke's testimony too), so it wasn't too big a leap to think that Mythal might have in some way survived her murder, plus Solas saying "So Mythal lives" as you enter the Well of Sorrows sanctum.    I didn't miss that comment even if I couldn't ask him about it.     You really feel there should be some significance if you took the chance or not but then again, how would they deal with that?    Bonus content or items would seem the least controversial.    



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Andruil's spear, which is extremely hot and maybe made of star metal.

 

Another is about the Void, wherever that is.

 

So maybe those who drank can track down Andruil's spear, while those who didn't drink can't possibly find it. And in that case, Morrigan finds it instead? Well, she would still have needed to have read the inscriptions.

I don't care about anduril spear i already have a Big sword made of star metal that is by far more beautiful than all the old gods/elven gods combined, because it was the gift of the man of steel .



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The fact is there isn't a proper consequence even with the Dark Ritual because player choice makes it hard to write around whether some did or didn't take the option. I had a good laugh with the Kieran OGB reveal that the Warden basically died needlessly (unless the ultimate sacrifice appeals to them rather than living and doing more good in the world) and the lost opportunity surrounding a OGB as a future companion or adversary. I seriously doubt there will be any dire consequence with drinking the well. I was more surprised that the game clearly revealed that there were true Elven Gods while the Maker is still a huge question mark. As far as what may come with the next game installment, maybe Mythral restores their longevity to all elves across Thedas and city/dalish elves finally have some connection that unites them under a true elven god.

Hmn I don't think the Maker has a question mark- I think there's evidence of his existence?

I mean, Andraste's ashes was holy enough to be able to heal Eamon- and then disappear? There's also the thing with Corypheus's experience in the Golden City? if there's a throne, there's a butt for the throne, right?