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[Excella Gionne]

The Well of Sorrows = The Toilet is crying... 

[Cz-99]

Hmn I don't think the Maker has a question mark- I think there's evidence of his existence?

I mean, Andraste's ashes was holy enough to be able to heal Eamon- and then disappear? There's also the thing with Corypheus's experience in the Golden City? if there's a throne, there's a butt for the throne, right? 

 

Hogwash.

 

The ashes wouldn't need to be holy in order to heal. As for their disappearance, the Guardian could've taken them after finding out that more people would come seeking the ashes. If the Guardian is a disciple of Andraste, and Andraste is holy, why does he summon demons to defend the ashes? See, lies and slander everywhere.

 

And Corypheus is biased to the max. Everything he says should be taken with a grain of Andraste's ashes (yup). He used blood magic, physically entered the Fade, and got tainted - his mind and memory are probably not crystal clear. Could've just been a really powerful spirit that rekt him.

 

The evidence for the maker's existence is the fact that a lot of things about the world are shrouded in mystery. Even the Fade isn't completely understood. However, that still doesn't mean he's exactly what his followers believe and claim him to be, just like the ancient elven gods and the Tevinter old gods are different than their followers' vision of 'em.

[HallaGoddess]

Hogwash.

 

The ashes wouldn't need to be holy in order to heal. As for their disappearance, the Guardian could've taken them after finding out that more people would come seeking the ashes. If the Guardian is a disciple of Andraste, and Andraste is holy, why does he summon demons to defend the ashes? See, lies and slander everywhere.

 

And Corypheus is biased to the max. Everything he says should be taken with a grain of Andraste's ashes (yup). He used blood magic, physically entered the Fade, and got tainted - his mind and memory are probably not crystal clear. Could've just been a really powerful spirit that rekt him.

 

The evidence for the maker's existence is the fact that a lot of things about the world are shrouded in mystery. Even the Fade isn't completely understood. However, that still doesn't mean he's exactly what his followers believe and claim him to be, just like the ancient elven gods and the Tevinter old gods are different than their followers' vision of 'em.

Why would the Guardian take them away after finding out that more pilgrims would come? Oh...I suppose if lots of 'worthy' pilgrims came and took a pinch of Andraste with them, it'd leave the urn kinda empty...

 

I kinda agree that evidence for the Maker's existence is slightly iffy- and I never thought about the demon thing before, certainly I believe more in the Elven Pantheon than the Maker, only cause we met Mythal..._{(and Fen'Harel)}

 

I'd like to keep an open mind though, maybe he's real and he's actually connected to the Pantheon in some way idk, personally I'm not keen on a Maker that could so easily turn his back on his creations, so if he's real it's inconsequential. _{(I mean the only reason he sorta liked his children again was cause of Andraste- then Andraste got roasted and he hates us again...now that I think about it, if the Maker created everything doesn't that mean he created Andraste- that's kinda incestuous, reminds me of Greek Mythology ehe)}

[BraveVesperia]

"It's called the Well of Sorrows. Sorrows! Who looks at that and thinks 'well, come on, let's dunk a butt'?"

Only two of my Inqusitors so far have drank from the Well. One was an Andrastian dwarf, and the only reason she did it was because she didn't trust Morrigan with any kind of ancient power (plus Viv and Bull really wanted her to...). The other was my latest elf, who's all for preserving the ancient magical knowledge and not thinking things through.

 

I've had two previous Lavellans. One didn't drink from the Well because it made her nervous, and she was already having second thoughts about all the elven 'heritage'. Abelas had just attacked them for not doing the rituals. Dalish apparently have their history all wrong. The ancient elves were like Tevinter. Mythal was mortal enough to be 'killed'. The Sentinels abandoned Lavellan's people to their fate and didn't even consider them elves anymore. Too many questionable things for her to make that sacrifice for some mystery knowledge. My other Lavellan was more inclined to do it, but was put off by Abelas, Solas and Cole chanting "bad idea, bad idea." After finding out the identity of Mythal, the vallaslin reveal etc, she doesn't regret it.

[Mistic]

"It's called the Well of Sorrows. Sorrows! Who looks at that and thinks 'well, come on, let's dunk a butt'?"

Only two of my Inqusitors so far have drank from the Well. One was an Andrastian dwarf, and the only reason she did it was because she didn't trust Morrigan with any kind of ancient power (plus Viv and Bull really wanted her to...). The other was my latest elf, who's all for preserving the ancient magical knowledge and not thinking things through.

 

I've had two previous Lavellans. One didn't drink from the Well because it made her nervous, and she was already having second thoughts about all the elven 'heritage'. Abelas had just attacked them for not doing the rituals. Dalish apparently have their history all wrong. The ancient elves were like Tevinter. Mythal was mortal enough to be 'killed'. The Sentinels abandoned Lavellan's people to their fate and didn't even consider them elves anymore. Too many questionable things for her to make that sacrifice for some mystery knowledge. My other Lavellan was more inclined to do it, but was put off by Abelas, Solas and Cole chanting "bad idea, bad idea." After finding out the identity of Mythal, the vallaslin reveal etc, she doesn't regret it.

 

True enough, Dalish Inquisitors are presented as the ones with most reasons to drink. However, it tends to be forgotten that they are the ones with most reasons to refuse.

 

The reasons to accept are pretty clear: that's an archive full of information about the ancient elves, probably unique in the world. And if someone has to get it, who better than one of the Dalish, who struggle with getting as much information as they can about the old times? Since it's evident by that point that they got a lot of things wrong, truthful information is more valuable than ever. Of course, you could ask Morrigan about it later, but that means leaving the fate of that information in the hands of a suspicious human witch. Also, serving one of your gods doesn't sound so bad, does it?

 

On the other hand, it's precisely because you are Dalish that Abelas' and even Morrigan's warnings should be more important to you. Morrigan doesn't believe Abelas' "superstitions", but if you are a follower of the Creators you should believe that "the price to pay" will be very real and probably nasty. Remember how Cassandra admitted to be panicked when they entered the Fade, because she knows what the Chant of Light says about the last people who did it? Same case. Also, Morrigan warns you that the information could be lost forever on a mind that doesn't have a good command of the elven language and other things. And she's right that not even Dalish education is enough.

 

It's not a matter of cultural posturing. The Well of Sorrows decision is a typical choice between risk and reward, and the Inquisitor has to do the math.

[Cagamelo]

Best case scenario the Inquisitor becomes evil and must be put down on a 1v1 fight no squadmates on a future game, worst case it get's ignored due to the epilogue scene. Either are fine by me, although a boss fight against the Inquisitor would be beyond awesome.

 

As for the reasoning all except one of my inquisitors are very curious, have a huge thirst for knowledge and power and don't care for the chantry so it's only natural to drink from it. The other one was a "chosen one", hardcore chantry and Vivienne supporter and an ******* so he's well on his way to villainy without the need of the well.

[Aren]

"It's called the Well of Sorrows. Sorrows! Who looks at that and thinks 'well, come on, let's dunk a butt'?"

 

Morrigan is brave (or stupid it really depends on the perspective) enough to drink from it,this bravery must be rewarded,if not only for the delight from Flemeth part..

[Elista]

My Lavellan doesn't fully trust Morrigan, so she won't let her take this power. She also doesn't really believe that she will be controlled by the will of these ancient priests. Flemeth says that we are all bound to each other and I believe that is true : to me, the Well is not a kind of leash to control the poor fellow who drinks. It is a contract. You agree freely to help Mythal and you gain knowledge and power for your service. Just another choice with consequences, not a secret geas that makes you a slave. It may even be broken if you and Mythal agree to end it, I think.

Besides, power can grant more freedom of action : new options can open with this rare knowledge. When Morrigan will leave the Inquisition, my Lavellan won't be bound to ignorance regarding the secrets of the Well, she will be able to make choices enlightened by this experience.

So, that's how my Lavellan see this matter. Regarding the future... I'm pretty sure there will not be great consequences. Just like the OGB. It seems very important at the moment, but then... nothing happens. ^^

[Cha0sEff3ct]

You know it is not really a well(in the conventional sense anyway) and they do not actually drink from it at least from what I see.

 

I always wondered if they could've shared the knowledge between them... Morrigan and the Inky if they step into the well together. What would happen if your whole party waded into the well? Does it only activate when you set foot in the well so whoever touches it first wins the knowledge? What's to stop Morrigan from running into the well while you're all deliberating who uses it? lol

[Boost32]

There should be a option to destroy the heretical pool.
There was no useful infornation in that thing. "We must kill the Dragon first", orly? We would to it anyway.

[Aren]

There should be a option to destroy the heretical pool.
There was no useful infornation in that thing. "We must kill the Dragon first", orly? We would to it anyway.

Abelas has tried to destroy the well im my game but that lovely Morrigan of yours was stupid enough to stab him only to force this choice to my throat (her pursuit of power is directly proportional to her stupidity in this franchise) ,really at that point my Inquisitor was asking  of why there wasn't an option to kill her in that temple a breach in her chest would have worked this time around. 

(of course plot armor)

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Speaking of the Well of Sorrows was anyone else annoyed that only the mages in the group could be asked to go into the Well? I mean, seriously, why couldn't I order Blackwall to go in there? 

 

 

lol Blackwall. His existence kind of makes a mockery of so many things. I mean, he should really be first on the chopping-block whenever any sacrifice is required, past discovered or not. If the guy who says he has sworn his life to protect other people will never actually do that at his expense, what good is he?

 

"The Wardens caused this, a Warden must fix it!"

"But the Wardens need you to rebuild!"

 

... Blackwall, hello??

 

Oh, and how about the Archdemon at Haven? At that time we thought he was a Grey Warden. Why did we risk the Herald against that thing rather than the guy who is supposed to specialize in killing them?