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[Arcian]

The "Bioware is Dying" thing has been going on ever since the launch of the "dumbed down" Mass Effect 2.  Jettisoning a bloated skill system and completely unmanageable inventory system in favor of a system that was simple to use and easy to understand, and frankly, made the game more fun, was apparently "selling out" and "becoming a gears of war clone".  People wanted Mass Effect 2 to be a carbon copy of Mass Effect 1, game play wise, and when it wasn't, they started moaning, and haven't really stopped sense.  It didn't help that Dragon Age II took Dragon Age in a completely different direction.

With the exception of the endings of ME3 and DA:I, which both felt rushed, the last two games have been really good.  Neither are without their problems, but heck, ME2 has it's problems, and is easily the best game Bioware has ever produced.

>ME2

>better than Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Jade Empire or Mass Effect 1

Choose one.

[Il Divo]

Yeah they got real lucky with DA I
Last year sucked for gamers (especially AAA one's, Watch dogs and Unity failed and most of the highly anticipated games were delayed)

So DA I came and easily won all fhe GOTY awards and got all the praise with no real competition
If it would be released this year with TW3 it would definitely not be the most succesful Bioware launch

And even though it has its advantages (CC, party based gameplay) especially the open world aspect pales in comparison with TW3 (which more and more people are realizing)

 

Well, it did have to go up against Dark Souls II and the Stick of Truth as I recall, the former of which I've seen praised especially by those criticizing DA:I. Of course, this will then turn into the "Well, Dark Souls II is a more niche product" debate.

[Il Divo]

>ME2

>better than Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Jade Empire or Mass Effect 1

Choose one.

 

I'd go with better than all except KotOR and Jade Empire.

[CronoDragoon]

It wasn't a matter of luck. Some AAA games crapped the bed, others got delayed because they were a mess (Witcher) and BioWare made a competent game that many considered to be better than competent, bordering on great. Luck isn't a part of that.

[Il Divo]

It wasn't a matter of luck. Some AAA games crapped the bed, others got delayed because they were a mess (Witcher) and BioWare made a competent game that many considered to be better than competent, bordering on great. Luck isn't a part of that.

 

Well, maybe luck in the sense that circumstances beyond Bioware's control (how other companies' products compare) all worked out in their favor. But you could say that with any title that has won GOTY. I'm sure all the AAA games that have had to go up against Skyrim for the award are probably kicking themselves, but that's a pretty rare occurrence given Bethesda's release dates.

[Il Divo]

KotoR has kind of aged for me. I cracked it out recently... hadn't played it since release. I still like it. I just think Bioware has definitely learned a lot since then.

 

ME2 is my favorite of theirs too.

 

I think the general writing of the companions/major characters and their voice-acting still holds up very well (Mission Vao aside). I still love the diverse environments. But there is definitely a good amount of awkwardness: enemy death animations, the VA/writing of quite a few side quests which seemed to have much less care than the main plot. I still think it's an amazing game and very true to the Star Wars spirit, but like a lot of games, it's suffered a bit.

[CronoDragoon]

Well, maybe luck in the sense that circumstances beyond Bioware's control (how other companies' products compare) all worked out in their favor. But you could say that with any title that has won GOTY. I'm sure all the AAA games that have had to go up against Skyrim for the award are probably kicking themselves, but that's a pretty rare occurrence given Bethesda's release dates.

 

I guess. I just don't see it as luck when things that habitually happen in the game industry (delays, bad games) happen.

[Il Divo]

I'm talking about AAA
There was also Divinity Orginal Sin which was pretty good but again its more a niche product too

 

http://www.destructo...e--253750.phtml

 

Even looking at sales numbers, if the link is to be believed, Dark Souls hit around the 2 million mark, which is (vaguely) around what Bioware games tend to reach. Not to mention, Dark Souls 2 is not lacking for publicity on most gaming sites. 

[The Elder King]

It goes along with this thread, which is about Bioware "dying" or losing their place as the solid goto WRPG developer.
 
The fact that TW3 is doing better in its initial weeks compared to DAI in it's initial weeks shows something. Before you say "Oh well Bioware games have never been out of the gate blockbuster sellers" well.....neither has CDPR games but apparently TW3 did just that.

  
I don't understand how TW3 selling faster and more then DAI me and Bioware is losing their status as a solid WRPG Developer. The Two things aren't related to each other. Bioware's reputation is based on their games, Not on games of other companies.
You could say CDPR is taking the throne of best WRPG developer, but this is arguable, as well ad Bioware holding that title to be in with.

I guess we will never know for sure

If TW3 and DA:I actually released in the same timeframe (like orginally planned) I doubt anyone would have given DA:I GOTY
Especially since they are similiar in a lot of ways
 
They definitely got lucky but I guess after DA2 and ME3 ending controversies they needed that (even though those two were better than DA:I)

Depending on the reviewer.

[azarhal]

Yeah they got real lucky with DA I
Last year sucked for gamers (especially AAA one's, Watch dogs and Unity failed and most of the highly anticipated games were delayed)

So DA I came and easily won all fhe GOTY awards and got all the praise with no real competition
If it would be released this year with TW3 it would definitely not be the most succesful Bioware launch

And even though it has its advantages (CC, party based gameplay) especially the open world aspect pales in comparison with TW3 (which more and more people are realizing)

 

GOTY are voted by reviewers and this year is looking to be even worst than last year.

 

In the RPG category, the GOTY contenders after 6 months are TW3 and POE (+Bloodborne if we count a PS4 exclusive, and yes POE, I've seen plenty of reviewers calling it a GOTY potential in their reviews) and there is nothing releasing in the next 6 months to compete with them unless the Fallout 4 rumor is true. In the overall GOTY, there is TW3 for the first 6 months, for the rest of the year there is potential in the rest of the sequel-o-rama (next Batman, another Assassin's Creed game, next Tomb Raider, next Halo, next COD, etc).

 

And I fail to see why people wouldn't buy DAI after buying TW3 or vice-versa if both had been released in the same year. Nothing stop you from buying both. Gaming is about fun and both games offer plenty of that.

[The Arbiter]

GOTY are voted by reviewers and this year is looking to be even worst than last year.

 

In the RPG category, the GOTY contenders after 6 months are TW3 and POE (+Bloodborne if we count a PS4 exclusive, and yes POE, I've seen plenty of reviewers calling it a GOTY potential in their reviews) and there is nothing releasing in the next 6 months to compete with them unless the Fallout 4 rumor is true. In the overall GOTY, there is TW3 for the first 6 months, for the rest of the year there is potential in the rest of the sequel-o-rama (next Batman, another Assassin's Creed game, next Tomb Raider, next Halo, next COD, etc).

 

And I fail to see why people wouldn't buy DAI after buying TW3 or vice-versa if both had been released in the same year. Nothing stop you from buying both. Gaming is about fun and both games offer plenty of that.

The point is... Bioware and EA should not F*** this new MASS EFFECT UP like how they recently F***ED NEED FOR SPEED REBOOT WITH ONLINE ONLY BS. They are facing new competition

 

Fallout 4

DeusEx Mankind Divided

The Witcher 3

even Final Fantasy XV for god sakes.

 

Pulling out new EA games from Steam whether you admit it or not will expose future EA games to lesser audience the majority of people I talked too refuses to transfer to Origin or does not even know what the hell Mass Effect is despite the sales on Steam since they can't play the third one.

 

They have to create an immersive world not just impressive in terms of graphics but must be rich in content

Characters must not be boring nor dull

Story must be logical and satisfying in the end.

[Majestic Jazz]

It wasn't a matter of luck. Some AAA games crapped the bed, others got delayed because they were a mess (Witcher) and BioWare made a competent game that many considered to be better than competent, bordering on great. Luck isn't a part of that.

There is a difference between sweeping GOTY when there were other AAA games that brought their A games and were highly praises, but yet still beating them out to be GOTY

Versus

Sweeping GOTY because no other AAA game brought their A game and you happened to be the sole decent enough game to be worthy of GOTY.

Again, I expect Halo 5, MGS5, and Arkham Knight to bring their A games and we already saw what TW3 did. If DAI released this year, it would have NOT swept GOTY.

And please, even with the extra months of development, the core of DAI was already there such as minimal cutscenes (which was due to lack of resources, not time), fetch quest, dull villian, and dull protagonist. A few extra months of development would have fixed some bugs, but not change the core gameplay.

[CronoDragoon]

Again, I expect Halo 5, MGS5, and Arkham Knight to bring their A games and we already saw what TW3 did. If DAI released this year, it would have NOT swept GOTY.

 

Are you expecting The Witcher 3 to sweep this year's GOTY awards?

[Pasquale1234]

I don't understand how TW3 selling faster and more then DAI me and Bioware is losing their status as a solid WRPG Developer. The Two things aren't related to each other. Bioware's reputation is based on their games, Not on games of other companies.
You could say CDPR is taking the throne of best WRPG developer, but this is arguable, as well ad Bioware holding that title to be in with.

If sales are the measuring stick, I would guess Bethesda holds that title.

As near as I can tell, TW2's sales were roughly equivalent to DA2's, which was a bit of a stinker in terms of sales for Bioware.

I've seen both praise and some disappointment in TW3. Whether it is ultimately regarded as a gem that people replay again and again - as is the case with many Bioware titles - remains to be seen.

[Catastrophy]

Repent now and restore your souls to glory!

[Pasquale1234]

And please, even with the extra months of development, the core of DAI was already there such as minimal cutscenes (which was due to lack of resources, not time), fetch quest, dull villian, and dull protagonist. A few extra months of development would have fixed some bugs, but not change the core gameplay.

Lack of resources or intentional design choice?

Clearly, some people love lots of cutscenes, but their presence generally requires developers to make the MC a much more defined character. You call the protagonist dull, but other people are pretty happy to be playing a character that is more of a blank slate. Preferences and all that.

[CronoDragoon]

I hope it does but it won't be easy with Batman Arkham Knight and MGSV and maybe even more as competition

 

Indeed. There's no denying that The Witcher 3 will have a harder time dominating GOTY as much as Inquisition did. Bloodborne, Persona 5, MGS5, and Arkham Knight are going to get more votes than Destiny, AC: Unity, Watch Dogs, etc did.

 

There's also a fundamental flaw in trying to compare TW3 and DA: I in terms of GOTY voting (besides competition): situating one game in another's timeframe changes the game itself. If TW3 comes out in November it's likely unplayable. If DA: I comes out in May it possibly has more features, or might have even been planned as current-gen only (which it should have been anyway, but nevermind that).

[Sanunes]

There is a difference between sweeping GOTY when there were other AAA games that brought their A games and were highly praises, but yet still beating them out to be GOTY

Versus

Sweeping GOTY because no other AAA game brought their A game and you happened to be the sole decent enough game to be worthy of GOTY.

Again, I expect Halo 5, MGS5, and Arkham Knight to bring their A games and we already saw what TW3 did. If DAI released this year, it would have NOT swept GOTY.

And please, even with the extra months of development, the core of DAI was already there such as minimal cutscenes (which was due to lack of resources, not time), fetch quest, dull villian, and dull protagonist. A few extra months of development would have fixed some bugs, but not change the core gameplay.

 

Other games did bring their A game though.  Farcry 4, Alien: Isolation, and Shadow of Mordor were all great games.

[Majestic Jazz]

Are you expecting The Witcher 3 to sweep this year's GOTY awards?

 

No, and that is my point. 2015 is just too good of a year for a game to sweep the GOTY awards. In fact, no game, including Halo 5 will sweep the GOTY years. I expect a few to be given to TW3, a few to Arkham Knight, a few to Halo 5, a few to MGS5 etc.....but no game will sweep the awards in the same way that DAI did last year because this year just too competitive and strong whereas 2014 was nowhere near the same level as this year.

 

[pdusen]

Sweeping GOTY because no other AAA game brought their A game and you happened to be the sole decent enough game to be worthy of GOTY.
 

 

If you're the sole decent game worthy of GOTY... how exactly is that not just doing it right?