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[AlanC9]

I didn't feel like I owned him. And that's the important thing.

Any insight into what produces feelings of -- ownership? Nah, that can't be right, but you know what I mean

[CronoDragoon]

There's a few things that make me hope they give DA2's setup another shot:

Nothing wrong with one location, but Kirkwall looked like ass and you were constantly revisiting the exact same places. Frostbite and the fantastic art direction of Inquisition make me think this wouldn't be a problem in a hypothetical DA2-like DA4.

Act 2 of DA2 is the best extended stretch of story in Dragon Age, with two key components assisting: The way the side quests tie into the main story, and the way the companions tie into the main story. Its playing to Bioware's strength to feature character moments whenever possible. Laidlaw acknowledged this personal side of questing as a benefit to a more local scope.

Additionally and perhaps most obviously, DA4 won't be rushed like Act 3 was. A probably fleshed out integration of consequence could really make the game shine.

[dreamgazer]

No Saren is a bad example, play ME1 again he was almost succesful in bringing the reapers back

I've played ME1 many, many times. He didn't succeed, thwarted every step of the way by Shepard. Shepard even talked the bad guy into killing himself!

Shepard was hunting him throughout ME1 he never owned him like the Inquisitor did with Cory

Except on Virmire and every other opportunity he could be "owned".

The latter just got pathetic after Haven, especially his last desperate attempt at opening another Breach was silly (and shows how bad of an antagonist he was, there was no epic mission where you would fight your way to him no he was all alone lol)

Uh, what? Did you actually play the last mission?

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There was no tension at all the Inquisitor didn't earn anything he just won and ...won and again

You're being hyperbolic. Why didn't the Inquisitor earn anything?

Also reusing a DLC villian was silly

Again, why? Repeatedly saying it doesn't make it true.

he was actually interesting in Legacy but they just turned him into a generic screaming idiot

Except for everything involving his feasible plan to become an actual deity, of course. I found him plenty interesting. At the very least, he ain't even the least interesting or generic villain in Dragon Age.

The Mage Templar war wasn't wasn't climatic at all, the Thedas-wide conflict being resolved in some area of Ferelden with the Inquisitor choosing one side was stupid (especially after all the build up in DA2 and Asunder)

Conflicts end like that all the time, and it gave the PC agency over the matter, impacted by their class-type and the player's RPing. It was plenty climactic.

It was also lazy that the other side just became generic evil after that

Hollow comment. Elaborate further.

[dreamgazer]

Saren's plot guarantees a dead team member... and more than likely, another one.

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[The Elder King]

I added a bit more. You forgot the Council/Alliance decision. 
 
Come on... this stuff is memorable 6 years later.
 
 
F*ck anyone who killed Hawke. Seriously. It's not a sacrifice. Almost every one of them does it out of spite. They didn't like him/her in the first place.

It depends. A lot of people have Alistair as a Warden. Others love Loghain (rest in peace my friend). It's not necessarily about hating Hawke.

[dreamgazer]

I added a bit more. You forgot the Council/Alliance decision. 
 
Come on... this stuff is memorable 6 years later.

I did? What about the Council-Alliance decision?

What's not memorable about the one I posted? ME1's ending might be more iconic, but that doesn't mean the other isn't worthwhile.

[The Elder King]

Most of the time it seems that way. I'll give a slide for the Alistair situation. 
 
 
I still don't think it's the same as Wrex and VS though. These are full fledged squadmates who still have future potential in the story.

I think it depends on the people. Some don't give a damn about Wrex. Others hate one of The VS so they never save him/her, so the choice is meaningless.
And I actually think that for a person Who loves Alistair (even more of the Warden's LI) and their Hawke the choice become more difficult then VS, regardless of the potential of VS in future games.

In the end is all based on people's opinions. I had a hard time in Both VS and Hawke/Warden.

[The Elder King]

People hated the VS much later. Or since ME2. But it wasn't like that at first. A lot of people talk about how they struggled at the Virmire decision. They took the game seriously. It's not the same as people immediately happy killing Hawke.

I saw people that always picked one of VS since the start, ad well ad people finding Kaidan Boring as hell and Ashley a racist b***h From the start. While I'm sure that ME2/ME3 caused other people to join the ranks, it's Not like everyone liked them when playing ME. It's simply impossible.
I'm Not saying is the exact same thing as Hawke, but there Are people Who killed a VS out of hate/dislike before ME2/ME3.

[The Elder King]

There's always outliers, of course. It just seemed different when we were all fresh to the series.

Indeed, it's different to make the choice when you have no clue of characters' popularity (ME) and when you know a part of the fanbase hate/dislike one (DAI).
My point was just that for a lot of people the DAI choice was difficult. In the end I picked Loghain because he was a lot older and lives a full life. Alistair might've been more difficult, Though I love Both Wardens.

[The Elder King]

lol... I do kind of laugh at the "Loghain Preservation Society" though.. if you've seen that thread.

I Didn't. Is it in DAI's character forum?

[SwobyJ]

I added a bit more. You forgot the Council/Alliance decision. 

 

Come on... this stuff is memorable 6 years later.

 

 

F*ck anyone who killed Hawke. Seriously. It's not a sacrifice. Almost every one of them does it out of spite. They didn't like him/her in the first place.

 

But...I killed him to make him a spirit or something...

[Golden_Persona]

Coming back to this topic to bring back the Fallout 4 teaser reactions we were talking about earlier and...

 

The Fallout 4 E3 presentation nailed it absolutely. The character creator feels like a next gen incarnation with how the two characters interact with each other when you're picking options. The fact that 1000 names are recorded so you'll hear your character's name. The choice between first-person and third-person not just in combat but dialogue as well. Armor having multiple layers to it, which was completely unexpected, and crafting which makes picking up useless items actually worth it.

 

Amazingly well done. A lot of naysayers from the teaser I'm sure were happy with the true reveal.