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[dreamgazer]

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between a "rating bomber" and someone who's genuinely unhappy with a product?

 

Read through the 0s and 1s on Metacritic and you'll get an idea of what they are. 

 

And by extension, isn't it possible that Bioware now has a lot of genuinely unhappy customers?

 

Sure.  "Unhappy" customers who continue to play their games. 

[pdusen]

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between a "rating bomber" and someone who's genuinely unhappy with a product?

 

And by extension, isn't it possible that Bioware now has a lot of genuinely unhappy customers?

 

It seems sort of self-explanatory to me. Ratings bombers are trolls, not unhappy customers with legitimate grievances. Not everyone who states an opinion on a game is a real customer. These are the same people who trash games they've never played in youtube comments and things.

 

And don't even get me started on people who trash games because of things that are not even problems with the game, like the Microsoft timed-exclusivity issue.

[Sanunes]

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between a "rating bomber" and someone who's genuinely unhappy with a product?

 

And by extension, isn't it possible that Bioware now has a lot of genuinely unhappy customers?

 

To me the difference is one person bought the game and another just did it to spite EA/BioWare while having no interest in the game.

[Sanunes]

Like I said, this studio has persistent ratings bombers nowadays.  CDPR hasn't developed that yet, though the grumbles I've heard from its hardcore fans about W3's gutted politics, botched cohesiveness with the previous two games, and lack of inspired plotting suggest that bitterness could be emerging. 

 

Of course, it doesn't hurt that Witcher 3 is indeed a great game with an ... enthusiastic pack of die-hard fans, a number of whom are deliberately anti-BioWare. 

 

What I am curious about with CDPR is when they move to Cyberpunk how many people are going to be happy with it.  From what I am understanding its going to be a game more inline with what I like about games, but will also be a shift for CDPR including not having nearly as deep of a background as they do with The Witcher and will have to create a lot of it themselves.

[NM_Che56]

The Thedas of DA:I you mean?
Because in DA:O and DA2 Thedas was fairly "normal" and grounded

They suddenly decided to go all fantasy with DA:I though

I do not particularly agree that DA became "all fantasy" with DA:I.  How specifically do you think they went "all fantasy"? 

[NM_Che56]

Spoiler: The trendsetter was mainly NeoGAF.

 

...but I was reminded when I googled Bioware and it automatically found "Bioware is dying"

 

NeoGAF... say no more.

[Iakus]

 

Sure.  "Unhappy" customers who continue to play their games. 

I still play Dragon Age and their older games, but am still p*ssed abut Mass Effect.  What does that make me?

 

It seems sort of self-explanatory to me. Ratings bombers are trolls, not unhappy customers with legitimate grievances. Not everyone who states an opinion on a game is a real customer. These are the same people who trash games they've never played in youtube comments and things.

 

Can't understand why people would bother reviewing a game they haven't played.  Well, unless you're a paid reviewer, I guess 

 

But one would think that games that are more popular and famous would be the ones to attract more trolls.  Does Mass Effect have more trolls than, say the Elder Scrolls series?

[camphor]

DAO outsold DAI by more than a million according to vgchartz.com.

i am not saying its not true (as in DAO outsold DAI even by a huge margin) but vg chartz links are banned on many gaming forums because they strait up make up numbers the entire website is a lie

[NM_Che56]

i am not saying its not true (as in DAO outsold DAI even by a huge margin) but vg chartz links are banned on many gaming forums because they strait up make up numbers the entire website is a lie

 

 

Outsold within a certain window? Cuz I would expect more copies of a 6 year old game to have sold than a 7 month old game...

[camphor]

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between a "rating bomber" and someone who's genuinely unhappy with a product?

 

And by extension, isn't it possible that Bioware now has a lot of genuinely unhappy customers?

not much Acually heres the thing a ratings bomber rates a game a 1 or 0 an unhappy customer sees that yes the game isnt great but anyone who thinks mass effect 3 is the worst` game of all time needs to play 99.9% of other games its objectively not

[dreamgazer]

I still play Dragon Age and their older games, but am still p*ssed abut Mass Effect.  What does that make me?

 

That's a loaded question, especially since you suggest that you'll still purchase a Mass Effect game. 

[NM_Che56]

Just look at the change in artstyle everything is shiny and bright now, gone is the medieval feel of DA:O

Same with the enemies we fought wolves, bandits etc. in DA:O and in DA:I we have suddenly giants, trolls and freaking Drufallo's

 

While DA:O admitedly was a bit too brown I still prefer it to the shiny and sanitized DA:I but thats just me

 

1) Art style doesn't relate to lore.  I think the "medieval feel" you're speaking of is muddy textures.

 

2) I fought bandits and wolves in DA:I.  I also fought ogres (aka Gorillas with horns; aka, the old Giants and trolls) and, of all things, frickin' werewolves in Origins.  Not to mention that the majority of the baddies in Origins were Dark spawn; aka, orcs.  Both had dragons and such.

 

All you're seeing is more of the same in DA:I.  With the tech, they were able to give you more creatures in an already fantastical world.  More enemy variety. 

[Steppenwolf]

BioWare is obviously not as well regarded as they once were. Their image definitely flipped from 'substance over style' to 'style over substance.'

[Iakus]

That's a loaded question, especially since you suggest that you'll still purchase a Mass Effect game. 

 

You're the one who said Bioware has "unhappy customers who continue play their games"  I have indicated that yes, I am an unhappy customer who continues to play their games:  namely one of their IPs and old games.  Not Mass Effect.

 

Did I indicate I'd purchase MENext?  I have suggested that I'd buy a new Mass Effect game if certain issues are addressed.  Which based on the leaks will not be.  At least not in ways I find satisfactory.

 

So, again, where does that lead me?  I play Bioware games, but was burned badly by the mass Effect IP.  I am in fact a "genuinely unhappy customer"  I daresay I'm a former fanboy.  Am I unique?  

[dreamgazer]

You're the one who said Bioware has "unhappy customers who continue play their games"  I have indicated that yes, I am an unhappy customer who continues to play their games:  namely one of their IPs and old games.  Not Mass Effect.

 

Did I indicate I'd purchase MENext?  I have suggested that I'd buy a new Mass Effect game if certain issues are addressed.  Which based on the leaks will not be.  At least not in ways I find satisfactory.

 

So, again, where does that lead me?  I play Bioware games, but was burned badly by the mass Effect IP.  I am in fact a "genuinely unhappy customer"  I daresay I'm a former fanboy.  Am I unique?  

 

Again, that's a loaded question, but the fact that you're still considering a purchase of another Mass Effect game and stick around here discussing it definitely suggests something. 

[NM_Che56]

You're the one who said Bioware has "unhappy customers who continue play their games"  I have indicated that yes, I am an unhappy customer who continues to play their games:  namely one of their IPs and old games.  Not Mass Effect.

 

Did I indicate I'd purchase MENext?  I have suggested that I'd buy a new Mass Effect game if certain issues are addressed.  Which based on the leaks will not be.  At least not in ways I find satisfactory.

 

So, again, where does that lead me?  I play Bioware games, but was burned badly by the mass Effect IP.  I am in fact a "genuinely unhappy customer"  I daresay I'm a former fanboy.  Am I unique?  

 

 

Then I guess the next logical question is:

 

If the next Mass Effect game fails to address the issues you have to your satisfaction, will you post in the sub-forums devoted to the next game?

[azarhal]

What I am curious about with CDPR is when they move to Cyberpunk how many people are going to be happy with it.  From what I am understanding its going to be a game more inline with what I like about games, but will also be a shift for CDPR including not having nearly as deep of a background as they do with The Witcher and will have to create a lot of it themselves.

 

Cyberpunk is based on a PnP setting, it is quite fleshed out already. The real question is why would people expect Cyberpunk to be The Witcher set in 2077. There is no reason to do so.

[camphor]

Outsold within a certain window? Cuz I would expect more copies of a 6 year old game to have sold than a 7 month old game...

you mis understood i have no real idea how much either sold was simply saying that even if DAO outsold DAI (i dont really know)  VGchartz is not a good source of information (and was originally the one who said DAI outsold DAO but i admittedly pulled that out of my ass much like VGchartz acually)

 

So, again, where does that lead me?  I play Bioware games, but was burned badly by the mass Effect IP.  I am in fact a "genuinely unhappy customer"  I daresay I'm a former fanboy.  Am I unique?

 

Not unique just a minority that is not the primary concern of bio-ware you act as if "unhappy customer" matters you know they did a study in a believe Forbes 2 years ago that checked customer satisfaction rates against profit, take a guess how that relationship went as long as Bioware makes decent AAA games they will make enough money and bring in enough new customers were a few thousand emotional fans wont matter. I do feel for you though i have loved things only for them to go in a direction i didnt like, it hurts a bit but trust me move on to new games and forget mass effect, it wont ever be but it once was, Good or Bad things only move forward

 

 

Edit: The only way to get burned is to get to close to the fire

[Sion1138]

Sure.  "Unhappy" customers who continue to play their games. 

 

I get what you're saying and I am no bomber, nor do I rate anything at all, but it's a bit unfair.

 

I almost exclusively play RPGs and I'm a huge sci-fi fan. I can't not buy it.

[AresKeith]

So what just because one was disappointed with one of their games (in my case DA:I) we should just leave the forums

and never play a Bioware game again?

 

 

That's not what he's saying

 

Why not instead criticize the game and give feedback on what went wrong and hope that it will be better next time

Especially since DA and ME are some of my favourite game franchises

 

Well there's a difference between people giving feedback and people just sh!tting on the game because they didn't like it

[dreamgazer]

So what just because one was disappointed with one of their games (in my case DA:I) we should just leave the forums
and never play a Bioware game again?

Never said that. If there's a pattern of disappointment, however, then yeah, it'd be best to venture elsewhere.
 

Why not instead criticize the game and give feedback on what went wrong and hope that it will be better next time
Especially since DA and ME are some of my favourite game franchises

There's a difference between constructive and destructive criticism on boards, especially when recognizable names hark on their biases or abruptly flip-flop their opinions.

[Pasquale1234]

Despite the ongoing controversy over the ending, I can't help but think that Bioware is very well-positioned to grow their audience for ME at this time.

Here are a few of the reasons:

-- Frostbite offers the promise of some greatly enhanced combat physics over what we've seen in the past.
-- They're really working over the Mako, and seem to be focused on making it really responsive and just plain fun to drive.
-- A fair amount of exploration will appeal to fans of open world environments.
-- If they make it less linear and cut back on the cutscenes (relative to ME3), people who don't like the "talky stuff" and / or have their own ideas about how they'd like to role-play might be more interested.
-- If they use the new technology to make MP even better, that in itself might attract a lot of people who would not otherwise be interested in SP.
-- New MC, without the baggage Shepard accumulated in the trilogy.

Of course, whether and how well they execute on this potential remains to be seen - but I think they have some great opportunities here.