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[Vazgen]

But one would think that games that are more popular and famous would be the ones to attract more trolls.  Does Mass Effect have more trolls than, say the Elder Scrolls series?

TES has in-game trolls. Can't compete with that

[Pasquale1234]

I agree on all but the fourth point if they cut down on the cutscenes like with DA:I and suddenly go the Skyrim route then that would be a huge mistake
 
If someone doesn't like the "talky stuff" then they shouldn't be playing ME as far as I'm concerned
I mean this isn't Skyrim or Fallout, ME has always been story and character driven

I did edit the post to specify relative to ME3.

ME3 was more interactive movie than game, imho. It has some very long intervals with cutscene after cutscene after unskippable cutscene - all on rails. I mean, you couldn't even scan planets until you reached the point where they were made available on the galaxy map.

ME1 & 2 were much better balanced in this regard, imho.

[CronoDragoon]

When it happens, I'll believe it.

 

Amusingly BioWare was the closest to dying (bankruptcy) when they were making Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins. This current drone of "dying" is just an expression of how they make different types of games, sometimes within the same series.

 

As for anyone who claims BioWare made a mistake by evolving as a studio, well:

Spoiler

 

RIP BI and Troika.

[Steppenwolf]

As for anyone who claims BioWare made a mistake by evolving as a studio, well:

Spoiler

I think "evolution" is a questionable term in this case. Organisms usually don't get dumber as they evolve so I think change would be the better term for what BioWare has been doing.

[Cheviot]

I think "evolution" is a questionable term in this case. Organisms usually don't get dumber as they evolve so I think change would be the better term for what BioWare has been doing.

The process of evolution does get rid of redundant systems between generations through natural selection.  An example is what biologists call "The ME1 Loot System".

[Sion1138]

I think "evolution" is a questionable term in this case. Organisms usually don't get dumber as they evolve so I think change would be the better term for what BioWare has been doing.

 

Oh, but they can. As counter-intuitive as it may sound, the environment can select for that also.

[azarhal]

I think "evolution" is a questionable term in this case. Organisms usually don't get dumber as they evolve so I think change would be the better term for what BioWare has been doing.

 

Unless we are talking about humans...

[ApocAlypsE007]

It is a question of money and prestige. Appearantly Bioware makes a good share of money and DA:I won a few GOTY awards, so no, Bioware is not dying. So long as EA can milk the cash cow, they will.

[Valkyrja]

Never said that. If there's a pattern of disappointment, however, then yeah, it'd be best to venture elsewhere.

 

Exactly.

 

People need to learn when to let go and move on. In all the drama over the last couple of years, the assblasted ex Biodrones I mean "disaffected true fans" that were "betrayed" also provide a lesson about the consequences of fanboyism and getting too emotionally attached to a company that ultimately just wants your money.

 

Also I don't find it odd at all that people have problems with ME2 or ME3, I do find it odd that many of these same people elevate ME1 to an unrealistic level of quality and forgive its massive list of significant problems all the while complaining for years about the sequels and BioWare.

 

Hell I wouldn't be surprised if many of the vocal ME1 dudes also flipped **** over reused areas in DA2 while giving a pass to the endless prefabs in ME1.

[Golden_Persona]

I just came back to this topic to say one thing...

 

Dragon Age 2 is my favorite DA game, and my sarcastic jerk Hawke has moments that even surpass Commander Shepard in my book. It's the only DA game that I actually love to replay and am always 100% satisfied.

 

... someone had to say it. I don't think much of any Dragon Age game compared to other medieval fantasy RPGs. Even since Origins I felt like it was behind the times.

[Golden_Persona]

So what just because one was disappointed with one of their games (in my case DA:I) we should just leave the forums

and never play a Bioware game again?

 

Why not instead criticize the game and give feedback on what went wrong and hope that it will be better next time

Especially since DA and ME are some of my favourite game franchises
 

Uh... yeah? "I don't like this game, or this company. That means I'm going to waste my time on things I don't like,rather than find something else to love". Sounds like common sense to me. Also, we aren't talking about disappointment. I was also disappointed with Inquisition in many aspects, but I in no way thinks it sucks. I actually think its better than most games out there. Disappointment doesn't mean someone hated something. We're talking about people acting like ME3's ending slaughtered their family and then kicked their puppy on the way out.

 

Then more people should do that. If you are someone who does that then I have nothing but respect for you. More rational people are needed on the internet.

[Golden_Persona]

I did edit the post to specify relative to ME3.

ME3 was more interactive movie than game, imho. It has some very long intervals with cutscene after cutscene after unskippable cutscene - all on rails. I mean, you couldn't even scan planets until you reached the point where they were made available on the galaxy map.

ME1 & 2 were much better balanced in this regard, imho.

 

Beyond Two Souls is an interactive movie, ME3 isn't. I don't even know how you could reach such a conclusion. There's as much game in ME3 as there was in ME1 and 2. The difference is it was the end of an RPG era, the final hoorah for the characters that we had formed relationships with over the course of over half a decade. They crammed a lot in there, to say the least.

 

It feels like recently "interactive movie" has been tossed around a lot on forums I've visited. People for example claim Witcher 3 is an interactive movie because that game has a lot of cutscenes and heavy story segments. I just can't take these claims seriously. I don't see how ME3, or Witcher 3 are any different than any other story focused RPG out there. They've always been that way.

[Golden_Persona]

I would agree that Beyond (and everything from Quantic) fits the interactive movie label perfectly. 

 

I think ME3 is a game, but they took an even heavier autodialogue-ish cinematic approach than before. So people will exaggerate a bit about it. I think ME2 struck a nicer balance, although that had it's scripted cinematic moments too.

Oh I definitely agree with that. I'm not saying ME3 didn't try to funnel our Shepard down a more linear path Bioware had envisioned, but interactive movie is just silly. In order for something to be an interactive movie then the majority of it has to be quick time events and cutscenes. Otherwise we should start calling point and click games "interactive movies".

[Valkyrja]

Can't say I agree. DA2 is a mess. An enjoyable mess, at times, but a mess regardless.

Pretty much.

The game had by far the best premise of the series (and most BW titles) but died under the weight of rushed development, poor execution, and just some poor decisions and the awful engine didn't help either. What we got was a hollow shell of what it should have been with rampant asset reuse and a third act that just feels unfini

 

The Arishok was cool, Sarcastic and Psycho Hawke were funny, and I liked most of the party members even if Fenris did need a haircut.

[Linkenski]

DA2 had the most untapped potential of all the Dragon Age stories, but my biggest problem wasn't actually the plot. It was that I felt the pacing was too slow and all the usual criticism towards the bland environments. If you're gonna base the majority of the game on one big city, why then have everything broken up between several maps and loading screens and even static day/night cycles to have even more loading screens (I know, not a problem for PC users) and for christ's sake, make that city look impactful and memorable. Everything about the design of kirkwall just seemed completely bland and washed out to me.

[Sion1138]

I agree I want a lot of cutscenes in story focused series like TW, DA or ME

Sadly it seems many agree with this and DA:I already toned down in that department (basically no side quest has any cutscenes anymore instead we get a silly skyrim type of camera angle)

 

It's only because you have cut-scenes for important events that the side-quests which are less important by definition seem even less important due the lack of any cut-scenes.

 

It's not a problem Skyrim has because there are no cinematic cut-scenes for anything.

 

You can't mix the two, you either go all out cinematic or not at all.

[Linkenski]

Completely, wholeheartedly agreed.

I don't understand Bioware's increasing use of anti-cinematic conversations. I can see the similarity between DAI's conversation system and Skyrim's with how the camera zooms slightly in, but ffs, what was wrong with Bioware games playing like Bioware games?! I just want them to play on the strengths of Mass Effect 1 and 2, keep up the player agency and evolve the cinematics. Stop devolving already.

[azarhal]

 

I don't understand Bioware's increasing use of anti-cinematic conversations.

 

Cinematic conversation take a lot of resources to make (aka time, money, tools, planning, etc) and they don't seem to have good tools that would make it easier for them to output as many as they would want. They aren't the only one trying to move away from it either.

[Sanunes]

Cinematic conversation take a lot of resources to make (aka time, money, tools, planning, etc) and they don't seem to have good tools that would make it easier for them to output as many as they would want. They aren't the only one trying to move away from it either.

 

The odd thing is people will complain either way about what BioWare does or doesn't do.  I have seen people talking about how they don't like all the cinematic conversations in The Witcher 3 because they find it jarring and breaks them out of the game and if BioWare went that way I could see people saying the exact same thing about Inquisition.

Modifié par Sanunes, 10 juin 2015 - 05:18 .