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[jerky]

Alright, so

 

For a good long time I rarely played dagger rogues, but since I got a purple dragon dagger and Isabela is awesome I've got a few questions - mostly about what other dagger to use. 
 

The options -
Agony, 10% chance to use Chain Lightning.

Walking Death, 10% chance to use Walking Bomb.

Gift of the Talons, 10% chance to use Hidden Blades.  However, this dagger has substantially less damage BUT does that even matter if it's my offhand?

 

For assassin, I've been using Gift until I level up to get Spinning Blades, whereupon I switch to Agony.  Coupled with my Spinning Blades ring and the upgrade, this procs CL a whole bunch, and is super effective in Fereldan Castle zones 3 and 4.

 

For Isabela, I've been using Gift all the time, but it doesn't seem to proc at the stated 10%, or at above a certain range.  Although I've seen it trigger on Bolt uses, it never seems to trigger very far away.  This is anecdotal only - I haven't done any tests/experiments. 

 

For alchemist, I switch to someone else and actually have fun playing the game.  I can only grind so many poison kills at a time before I start getting a massive headache.

[Cirvante]

Alright, so

 

For a good long time I rarely played dagger rogues, but since I got a purple dragon dagger and Isabela is awesome I've got a few questions - mostly about what other dagger to use. 
 

The options -
Agony, 10% chance to use Chain Lightning.

Walking Death, 10% chance to use Walking Bomb.

Gift of the Talons, 10% chance to use Hidden Blades.  However, this dagger has substantially less damage BUT does that even matter if it's my offhand?

 

For assassin, I've been using Gift until I level up to get Spinning Blades, whereupon I switch to Agony.  Coupled with my Spinning Blades ring and the upgrade, this procs CL a whole bunch, and is super effective in Fereldan Castle zones 3 and 4.

 

For Isabela, I've been using Gift all the time, but it doesn't seem to proc at the stated 10%, or at above a certain range.  Although I've seen it trigger on Bolt uses, it never seems to trigger very far away.  This is anecdotal only - I haven't done any tests/experiments. 

 

For alchemist, I switch to someone else and actually have fun playing the game.  I can only grind so many poison kills at a time before I start getting a massive headache.

 

Try Agony and Gift of the Talon on an Alchemist with mines. Every single mine can cause Chain Lightning and Hidden Blades which can proc even more themselves.

[CMDR FACE]

I'd go gift.  That's pretty boss w broadsides.  Chance to go off on each hit.

 

The damage really doesn't matter in off-hand unless you are using basic attacks...also flank attack.

[FRZN]

The damage really doesn't matter in off-hand unless you are using basic attacks...also flank attack.

Also viper's strike, death blow, and spinning blades.

[Silversmurf]

Alright, so

For a good long time I rarely played dagger rogues, but since I got a purple dragon dagger and Isabela is awesome I've got a few questions - mostly about what other dagger to use.

The options -
Agony, 10% chance to use Chain Lightning.
Walking Death, 10% chance to use Walking Bomb.
Gift of the Talons, 10% chance to use Hidden Blades. However, this dagger has substantially less damage BUT does that even matter if it's my offhand?

For assassin, I've been using Gift until I level up to get Spinning Blades, whereupon I switch to Agony. Coupled with my Spinning Blades ring and the upgrade, this procs CL a whole bunch, and is super effective in Fereldan Castle zones 3 and 4.

For Isabela, I've been using Gift all the time, but it doesn't seem to proc at the stated 10%, or at above a certain range. Although I've seen it trigger on Bolt uses, it never seems to trigger very far away. This is anecdotal only - I haven't done any tests/experiments.

For alchemist, I switch to someone else and actually have fun playing the game. I can only grind so many poison kills at a time before I start getting a massive headache.

offhand Audacity. Enemies explode.

Use Nameless blade if you don't have that. 5% dmg per enemy

/thread

[jeremyj26]

I'd go gift.  That's pretty boss w broadsides.  Chance to go off on each hit.

 

The damage really doesn't matter in off-hand unless you are using basic attacks...also flank attack.

 

So ability damage is based on Main hand weapon?  Which is the one on the left?

[Texasmotiv]

So ability damage is based on Main hand weapon?  Which is the one on the left?

 

Depends on the ability. As referenced in FRZN's post.

 

Most abilities for the Duelist will use main hand damage save for flank attack, which is why Audacity is such a popular off hand for her.

[Drasca]

So ability damage is based on Main hand weapon?  Which is the one on the left?

 

Off hand is character's left hand, and the upper right dagger loadout on the inventory screen.

 

Main hand is the character's right hand, and the upper left weapon loadout.

 

It becomes really obvious when you put inquisition daggers on one side and try to bolt.

[Sulaco_7]

offhand Audacity. Enemies explode.

Use Nameless blade if you don't have that. 5% dmg per enemy

/thread

 

/thread?  He stated the daggers he has, and you're telling him to use daggers that he doesn't have.  

[jerky]

/thread?  He stated the daggers he has, and you're telling him to use daggers that he doesn't have.  

Hah yeah...

 

Gift doesn't list a percentage damage like the others (where Walking and Agony say 50% weapon damage).  So maybe it works just like the ability, each strike at its full amount?  I hadn't thought of that earlier, but if that is true, that'd probably make it a better choice, even though its base damage is lower. 

 

Thoughts?

[Sulaco_7]

Yeah, I like Gift of the Talons too.  It does seem to do the full ability damage.. it definitely does more damage than Agony's CL or Walking Death's Walking Bomb in any case.  Only problem with Gift of Talons (and Agony) is that you can only slot a rune to it.  With Walking Death, you can add a tier 3 grip.

[CMDR FACE]

Yeah, I like Gift of the Talons too. It does seem to do the full ability damage.. it definitely does more damage than Agony's CL or Walking Death's Walking Bomb in any case. Only problem with Gift of Talons (and Agony) is that you can only slot a rune to it. With Walking Death, you can add a tier 3 grip.

Oh yeah. I forgot that it has no grip. Might be better w walking bomb.

[CMDR FACE]

Off hand is character's left hand, and the upper right dagger loadout on the inventory screen.

Main hand is the character's right hand, and the upper left weapon loadout.

It becomes really obvious when you put inquisition daggers on one side and try to bolt.

I think main hand is the character's right hand (but your left as you're looking at screen). It says it though so you can see it.

[yarpenthemad21]

Alright, so
 
For a good long time I rarely played dagger rogues, but since I got a purple dragon dagger and Isabela is awesome I've got a few questions - mostly about what other dagger to use. 
 
The options -
Agony, 10% chance to use Chain Lightning.
Walking Death, 10% chance to use Walking Bomb.
Gift of the Talons, 10% chance to use Hidden Blades.  However, this dagger has substantially less damage BUT does that even matter if it's my offhand?
 
For assassin, I've been using Gift until I level up to get Spinning Blades, whereupon I switch to Agony.  Coupled with my Spinning Blades ring and the upgrade, this procs CL a whole bunch, and is super effective in Fereldan Castle zones 3 and 4.
 
For Isabela, I've been using Gift all the time, but it doesn't seem to proc at the stated 10%, or at above a certain range.  Although I've seen it trigger on Bolt uses, it never seems to trigger very far away.  This is anecdotal only - I haven't done any tests/experiments. 
 
For alchemist, I switch to someone else and actually have fun playing the game.  I can only grind so many poison kills at a time before I start getting a massive headache.

I don't know stats of Gift but I've calculated agony vs walking death as offhand daggers and agony wins.
As "side" effect on Duelist I can say that with agony and broadside you will see quite often sleep status.

[kmeeg]

I like agony in offhand for +critical damage and chain lightning, which especially helps on earning more experience for the team. (Tag as many enemies as possible)

 

If I want to kill a lot, then I use Audacity /w 31% critical damage.

[CitizenThom]

I've been using gift of talons in the off hand and coiled strike in the main (gift of talons is the highest level purple I have so far). It's very helpful on alchemist (sometimes triggers on elemental mines and poison) and on duelist (sometimes triggers on crossbow bolts).

[CMDR FACE]

I like agony in offhand for +critical damage and chain lightning, which especially helps on earning more experience for the team. (Tag as many enemies as possible)

 

If I want to kill a lot, then I use Audacity /w 31% critical damage.

 

Yeah, I run audacity w crit damage as well.  It's boss.  So much fun.

[Silversmurf]

/thread?  He stated the daggers he has, and you're telling him to use daggers that he doesn't have.  

 

Just realised I was being a Jerk to Jerky

 

I should learn to read.

 

Gift of the Talons.

[Courtnehh]

I haven't been a big fan of the assassin but then again I've never tried spinning blades, quite interesting. I'd like the throwing blades ability on the assassin, would be quite nice.

[Jailson_MMB]

I like the audacity but I'd rather be with stamina full all the time, so I I chose the: Crescent Slice, Rare lvl 13, AoE 55, DPS 137,  14% Critical Damage, Bonus 2 Dexterity, On Kill: Grants 20 Stamina   

[abc1921034518]

I like the audacity but I'd rather be with stamina full all the time, so I I chose the: Crescent Slice, Rare lvl 13, AoE 55, DPS 137, 14% Critical Damage, Bonus 2 Dexterity, On Kill: Grants 20 Stamina

Couldn't agree more, I prefer crescent slicer too for the exact reasons

[FRZN]

I haven't been a big fan of the assassin but then again I've never tried spinning blades, quite interesting. I'd like the throwing blades ability on the assassin, would be quite nice.

I tried spinning blades after the buff and I actually like it, it fills a similar role to viper strike except it trades the sunder for not being directionally restricted, dealing more hits, and connecting more reliably. It has a 16s cooldown instead of 8s though and you start with a point in viper strike, so imo it ends up being mostly just for style points.
Throwing blades would be great, but short-mid ranged stealth attacks are kind of the hunter's niche so I think it makes sense that the assassin/alchemist don't have it.

[Courtnehh]

I tried spinning blades after the buff and I actually like it, it's pretty similar to flank attack except it trades the knockdown+sunder for not being directionally restricted, hitting more, and connecting more reliably. It has a 16s cooldown instead of 8s though and you start with a point in viper strike, so imo it ends up being mostly just for style points. Throwing blades would be great on the assassin, but short-mid ranged stealth attacks are kind of the hunter's niche so I think it makes sense that the assassin/alchemist don't have it.

I tried spinning blades over the weekend and I'm now loving the assassin, also tried a new build on the alchemist and I now love her I thought the cooldown might be a problem but I go twin fangs>spinning blades>twin fangs and I'm not waiting around for cooldowns that way I'd really like Agony to really try it out, Audacity isn't really the same since you're only doing 1k odd per hit so the enemy will only explode for like 750. Need more decent damage dagger procs D: I did really like the knock down you get at the end of spinning blades also

[jerky]

I like having Spinning Blades for when someone swipes a kill I was about to get, and suddenly don't have stealth immediately available.  Against one target it's a guaranteed kill, and against multiples, you'll most likely get a kill to stealth away.  And if not, you just did a buttload of damage.

 

Plus it makes me feel like a viable front line hitter in FC zone 4, which does wonders for my confidence. 

[Texasmotiv]

Does spinning blades get blocked by the venatori Jedi?