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[SomberXIII]

I thought the majority loved EDI.

[Oldren Shepard]

A Geth

[SolNebula]

Mmmmm.. nope at least for me. I'm kind of bored by AI. I would prefer living and breathing characters. A trusty organic pilot is better than any other AI.

[Sekrev]

As much as I liked HK-47, and Legion in ME2, what they wrote in ME3 makes me definitely say no to this. No more AI wanting to be like organics, cringy relationship things with Joker and EDI, senseless dream sequences with star brat, horribly written and disconnected ending conversations..

 

I really loved how HK-47 and Legion/Geth before ME3 were different from organics, had their own goals and reasoning. It was a fresh perspective, and funny at times. Then the whole way they treated AI seemed to change, portraying the Geth as innocent we-want-to-be-just-like-the-rest when they had their own motives before, giving EDI a body and writing her as if 'what it means to be alive = be more human'. Ugh. No more of that please.

 

If done right it could be interesting, I liked EDI in ME2 for example. But that's been done and it would be cheap to just rehash that. And the direction they were going with in ME3 I just don't want. Better to stay away from it for now maybe. Or take another route and come up with something different than what was done before.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

NO.

[SolNebula]

After rewatching HK47 best moments I realized how dull synthetics are in ME. Where this whole story of synthetics wanting to be more organic come from? I so loved how HK47 was feeling superior and keep calling organics meatbags.

 

[InterrogationBear]

Where this whole story of synthetics wanting to be more organic come from?

It's the Data-Syndrome.

[Xerxes52]

Nah, just an organic pilot would be fine. Or maybe an organic "plugged in" to the ship, like Karan S'jet from the Homeworld series.

[BraveVesperia]

Yes, if it's like ME2 EDI. I liked the concept of EDI being like a 'living ship' once unshackled. It provides an interesting character perspective and is useful to the story. I wouldn't want our AI ship to then walk around in a human body and undermine that. Personality-wise, something more similar to ME2 Legion, where the perspective and logic seems more alien to the human mind.

[BraveVesperia]

Pilot from Farscape looks VERY close to a Collector General

He's 100% more adorable though. 

[azarhal]

I personally think they should stick to the setting rules and ban all AIs and stop council members from creating more of them.

 

I'm also tired of the "AI wants to be human" crap. Machines/AI are superior to humans why would they want to become inferior?

 

 

literally any of the Sixes in new BSG style personality

 

Considering who is voicing EDI, that's not a surprising association...

[Vortex13]

I personally think they should stick to the setting rules and ban all AIs and stop council members from creating more of them.

 

I'm also tired of the "AI wants to be human" crap. Machines/AI are superior to humans why would they want to become inferior?

 

 

Relevant:

 

[Oldren Shepard]

Sure. But more as a matter of lore and logic than as a character, with the quantity of interaction being around that of a VI.

 

For an AI character I'd rather have a vastly different type of AI. I call it a "limited AI". It's a neural net AI based on organic brain patterns. It uses fuzzy logic, does not have "databases" and can't just interface/hack anything it wants. We've done the overarching AI thing. It'd be interesting to explore this new direction I think.

like a character in StarCraft "phoenix" I think he was in such bad condisiones could only survive in a kind of "battle tank"

[Oldren Shepard]

I personally think they should stick to the setting rules and ban all AIs and stop council members from creating more of them.

 

I'm also tired of the "AI wants to be human" crap. Machines/AI are superior to humans why would they want to become inferior?

 

 

Considering who is voicing EDI, that's not a surprising association...

no one can see beyond what don't understand.

[Oldren Shepard]

Is strange to see so many people wanting to see different beings but not accepting this new species could achieve or have some qualities similar to ours. maybe not strange is just human nature.

[Nitrocuban]

Are we talking about the HAL9000 or the sexbot part?

[CrutchCricket]

like a character in StarCraft "phoenix" I think he was in such bad condisiones could only survive in a kind of "battle tank"

You mean Fenix, the Zealot commander that "died" and was brought back as a Dragoon?

 

Not really the same thing. Dragoons are essentially cyborgs, containing the mind of a fallen Protoss warrior so that he might have a chance to avenge himself and regain his honor. Based on the in-game portraits the heads are suspended in preserving fluid within the four-legged body.

 

So basically the head jars from Futurama only in a quadruped walker that shoots plasma.

 

I was thinking more of Bladewolf, if anyone's played Metal Gear Rising.

[Vortex13]

Is strange to see so many people wanting to see different beings but not accepting this new species could achieve or have some qualities similar to ours. maybe not strange is just human nature.

 

 

Well for me, I would have to ask the question: "Why even bother making an alien or robot in the first place if all they are is going to be just a re-textured human?"

 

 

The big draw of  Science Fiction and Fantasy genres (for me) is exploring things that are not possible in the real world, to see and experience the non-human side of the setting. Having everything and everyone act and think just like us seems so boring. It's like going to a five star restaurant and ordering a burger and fries when you can go to any fast food joint and get the same thing.

[Sekrev]

Well for me, I would have to ask the question: "Why even bother making an alien or robot in the first place if all they are is going to be just a re-textured human?"

 

 

The big draw of  Science Fiction and Fantasy genres (for me) is exploring things that are not possible in the real world, to see and experience the non-human side of the setting. Having everything and everyone act and think just like us seems so boring. It's like going to a five star restaurant and ordering a burger and fries when you can go to any fast food joint and get the same thing.

 

Well said. We have humans and a whole bunch of human-like species already. Sadly the more exotic species got kinda derailed to being used as comic relief later on in the trilogy, and most AI was changed to wanting to be more human. Too much of the same, especially when there were already interesting perspectives in place.

 

I welcome perspectives that are different. Characters being offended by something that humans wouldn't, or something that is only natural or logical to them being weird or unnatural to us. It makes the universe and story much richer and provokes thought, and attempted understanding.

[Vortex13]

Well said. We have humans and a whole bunch of human-like species already. Sadly the more exotic species got kinda derailed to being used as comic relief later on in the trilogy, and most AI was changed to wanting to be more human. Too much of the same, especially when there were already interesting perspectives in place.

 

I welcome perspectives that are different. Characters being offended by something that humans wouldn't, or something that is only natural or logical to them being weird or unnatural to us. It makes the universe and story much richer and provokes thought, and attempted understanding.

 

 

That's what I would like to see as well. 

 

 

The universe shouldn't automatically conform to our standards. What we find acceptable and comfortable should not be the measuring rod by which everything else is judged. Aliens that are drastically different than us should be depicted with more care than: "Different than us? = Bad guy"

 

Would the narrative consider an alien species evil if it practiced the killing of it's young in times of famine? What if this species developed on a very resource poor world and to them the killing of one's own young is seen as an act of great kindness so that the rest can survive?

 

Would an alien species be inhuman monsters if they evolved a unique metabolism wherein they have to remain in constant motion or they would die? Would they be in the wrong if they saw the (relatively) static humans as their version of the Grim Reaper and feared us? 

 

Etc.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

I would not mind some robots like these two.

[Vortex13]

I would not mind some robots like these two.

 

 

Those two were the best parts of that movie.

[BabyPuncher]

Would an alien species be inhuman monsters if they evolved a unique metabolism wherein they have to remain in constant motion or they would die? Would they be in the wrong if they saw the (relatively) static humans as their version of the Grim Reaper and feared us?

You see, this is exactly the problem that comes up from this attitude.

This has nothing to do with morality. It's just silly nonsense. It's better suited for Futurama, with the wooden robot that constantly has to run back into the water to 'power' her water wheel and stay alive. It would stop being any kind of moral consider and become a quirk and a headache for the animators within seconds.

There's really no such thing as an 'alien' attitude or morality. Humans are a very diverse bunch. Any kind of reasonable moral system you can imagine, some human somewhere has thought of it, advocated it, and written several books on it.

And the only way to escape that is to abandon reason and write nonsense.

[Vortex13]

You see, this is exactly the problem that comes up from this attitude.

This has nothing to do with morality. It's just silly nonsense. It's better suited for Futurama, with the wooden robot that constantly has to run back into the water to 'power' her water wheel and stay alive. It would stop being remotely interesting and be just be a headache for the animator within seconds.

There's really no such thing as an 'alien' attitude or morality. Humans are a very diverse bunch. Any kind of reasonable moral system you can imagine, some human somewhere has thought of it, advocated it, and written several books on it.

And the only way to escape that is to abandon reason and write nonsense.

 

 

Making something truly alien is impossible, I'll agree; it's very definition is something that can't be explained. But, an attempt to try and craft aliens and races that have more nuance than: "Us, except with pointy ears" wouldn't require nonsense writing.

 

 

We saw a hint of such deviation with aliens like the Rachni and the (ME 2) Geth, so creating something that is understandable but still alien from us is possible.

[Sekrev]

You see, this is exactly the problem that comes up from this attitude.

This has nothing to do with morality. It's just silly nonsense. It's better suited for Futurama, with the wooden robot that constantly has to run back into the water to 'power' her water wheel and stay alive. It would stop being any kind of moral consider and become a quirk and a headache for the animators within seconds.

There's really no such thing as an 'alien' attitude or morality. Humans are a very diverse bunch. Any kind of reasonable moral system you can imagine, some human somewhere has thought of it, advocated it, and written several books on it.

And the only way to escape that is to abandon reason and write nonsense.

 

They are examples, of course running with the idea of things being radically different. But it's not nonsense at all, there's an infinite amount of possibilities out there, and well-written a lot of stuff can work. It's not just about morals, it's also about fundamental differences that just make comparison pointless. A species that would have to be in perpetual motion would develop a whole different culture than we would, that in itself is interesting. But in terms of AI why not have it aspire to something that would be completely out of the realm of things humans would want, and thus view things differently. I don't imagine much people want to all huddle up around a star and join all memories and brain power to be united and singular. It is what the Geth were doing though, along their own path. Until ME3 Geth were like 'zomg individuality from reaper code gimme gimme'.