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[Jaison1986]

Wait, what?  How is it dumb luck?  It's totally solvable every time.  You just need to pick two at random so that you get your base data (i.e. how many letters are correct in each), then use those numbers to determine which of the remaining options are possible.  Sure, every once in a while you will get more than one that fits at that point, but you have 4 attempts (I think it's 4), so it even builds in one "safety" mistake each time.  Honestly, I think I've only been locked out of a terminal less than 5 times in either FO3 or FO:NV put together. 

 

You sure we are playing the same game? Because while this tactic works with low level hacks, that's not how it goes for average hacks and above, as not only there are a lot of passwords to choose, but each word can go from 7 to 10 letters. And 3 atempts before having to restart and try again make things particularly hard. So like I said, it's mostly dumb luck.

[Barbarossa2010]

No,it's not how the system works.You get to choose between raising one of your SPECIAL or gaining a perk,not both.
 
They showed a character at level 21 with 31 overall SPECIAL,that's a solid proof.

Okay, well that's good to know I suppose. As long as we're not being allowed to raise a SPECIAL attribute without cost, this could be satisfactory. If the only way to raise a SPECIAL attribute is through something like Intense Training (cost = Perk), or a bobblehead (Cost = rare), or anything else with a cost to the player, then, depending on the actual perks, it may well work fine.

[daveliam]

You sure we are playing the same game? Because while this tactic works with low level hacks, that's not how it goes for average hacks and above, as not only there are a lot of passwords to choose, but each word can go from 7 to 10 letters. And 3 atempts before having to restart and try again make things particularly hard. So like I said, it's mostly dumb luck.

Yes. Playing the same game. You need to look at how many letters are in common between the the word you picked and the password. Do that twice and it narrows it down, even on very hard. It's process of elimination and it works every time. You just have to be smart and patient. The only 'luck' is the very rare chance that you pick three words in a row that leave more than one option left. I've logged in hundreds and hundreds of FO hours and always max science and never have a problem with hacking.

[Jaison1986]

Yes. Playing the same game. You need to look at how many letters are in common between the the word you picked and the password. Do that twice and it narrows it down, even on very hard. It's process of elimination and it works every time. You just have to be smart and patient. The only 'luck' is the very rare chance that you pick three words in a row that leave more than one option left. I've logged in hundreds and hundreds of FO hours and always max science and never have a problem with hacking.

 

Then I have the worst luck. Because that happens to me almost all the time while hacking.

[daveliam]

Then I have the worst luck. Because that happens to me almost all the time while hacking.

It's specifically designed to allow you to be able to solve it. Sounds to me that you arent using the clues to pick the words. The only time I have trouble with it is when I rush and don't pay attention. When I do it correctly, it works every time. It's absolutely NOT dependent on luck. It's a logic puzzle.

[FlyingSquirrel]

One thing that helps is to start by picking a word that has at least one sequence of 3-4 letters that recurs in a number of other words. For example, if DECEPTION, INVENTION, DEPICTION, and SELECTION are all choices, and after picking one of them you're told that only 2 letters were correct, then you can rule all of those out. OTOH, if you're told that 4 are correct, the chances are pretty good that -TION are the correct four.

[Jaison1986]

It's specifically designed to allow you to be able to solve it. Sounds to me that you arent using the clues to pick the words. The only time I have trouble with it is when I rush and don't pay attention. When I do it correctly, it works every time. It's absolutely NOT dependent on luck. It's a logic puzzle.

 

Not so much when you have 5 words or more that follow similar patterns. You think I don't carefully analize to see how similar one word is from another? Of course I do. Some times you just select the wrong ones. No amount of logic and attention will help with that.

[daveliam]

One thing that helps is to start by picking a word that has at least one sequence of 3-4 letters that recurs in a number of other words. For example, if DECEPTION, INVENTION, DEPICTION, and SELECTION are all choices, and after picking one of them you're told that only 2 letters were correct, then you can rule all five of those out. OTOH, if you're told that 4 are correct, the chances are pretty good that -TION are the correct four.

Exactly. Pick one of those and then go from them. If you get 4-5 letters correct, try another word with the same suffix but different base and see what happens. Conversely, if you pick those words and get 3 correct letters, you can ignore any words with that suffix.

Honestly, it's time consuming to do it correctly, but it is absolutely possible to solve it every time without luck. It just takes time and patience. Luck just makes it easier (solving it on your first, second, or third attempt). But you don't need 'luck' to solve it unless you are careless in selecting your first two words.

[Iakus]

Not so much when you have 5 words or more that follow similar patterns. You think I don't carefully analize to see how similar one word is from another? Of course I do. Some times you just select the wrong ones. No amount of logic and attention will help with that.

Pick one of the words at random.  Note how many letters it has that are correct.

 

Go through the lines of code looking for brackets like [ ], < >, or { }, they will be highlighted just like words.  Select them, each one should remove a dud. Occasionally it will replenish allowances instead.  Whenever this happens, pick another word (check the letters and make sure it matches up with the number of correct letters as the word you picked before.

 

Hopefully, this will eliminate enough duds and give you enough clues as to what the password is.

[LobselVith8]

And I bet the companion romances are gonna be as shallow as Skyrim marriage.

So, I guess the wife and baby are dead then? If so, that's pretty bleak, I mean, the kind of stuff that breaks a man.

Only if you play as a character who loved their spouse, assuming we have that kind of range in developing the personality of the protagonist.

[themikefest]

Those words hacks or whatever wasn't too bad. Patience is the key. 

[Jaison1986]

Only if you play as a character who loved their spouse, assuming we have that kind of range in developing the personality of the protagonist.

 

They wouldn't be married otherwise, would they? 

[MisterJB]

 

People marry for all sorts of reasons.

Not that it matters. The dialogue seen in the demo is affectionate.

[LobselVith8]

They wouldn't be married otherwise, would they?

Not necessarily. It would only be applicable if the protagonist married for love. We've had similar levels of freedom with the Lone Wanderer, so I think it's plausible. Given how the LW could love or hate James, could befriend or ridicule Amata, and was able to forgive or condemn Butch, it's possible we may have the same level of freedom (if not more) with the Survivor.

If I do acquire Fallout 4, I would likely play as someone who didn't marry for love.

[Cyonan]

Regardless of the PC marrying for love or not, I would hope that Bethesda at least goes over the "everybody I ever knew died 200 years ago" thing that we're gonna have going on.

 

Unless you hate everybody and everything, in which case you're pretty much set.

[Dermain]

Regardless of the PC marrying for love or not, I would hope that Bethesda at least goes over the "everybody I ever knew died 200 years ago" thing that we're gonna have going on.

 

Unless you hate everybody and everything, in which case you're pretty much set.

 

Well, at least Rakia should be fine then.

[Commander Rpg]

Unless you hate everybody and everything

Then you hate yourself too and commit suicide. Game over.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Wait, what?  How is it dumb luck?  It's totally solvable every time.  You just need to pick two at random so that you get your base data (i.e. how many letters are correct in each), then use those numbers to determine which of the remaining options are possible.  Sure, every once in a while you will get more than one that fits at that point, but you have 4 attempts (I think it's 4), so it even builds in one "safety" mistake each time.  Honestly, I think I've only been locked out of a terminal less than 5 times in either FO3 or FO:NV put together. 

 

True but it's still annoying as Hell. I got to the point where I just started selecting mostly at random when hacking later in game because it was quicker than determining which word matched the letters of the prior and then some.

 

Deus Ex Human Revolution made hacking fun. We need a system like that.

[Just My Moniker]

I would always just save before trying to hack a computer in FNV. If I failed, I could just try over and over again until I finally did it 

[Iakus]

True but it's still annoying as Hell. I got to the point where I just started selecting mostly at random when hacking later in game because it was quicker than determining which word matched the letters of the prior and then some.
 
Deus Ex Human Revolution made hacking fun. We need a system like that.

Deus Ex 'a system was too RNG dependant. You're pretty much required to carry a supply of worms and viruses in case something went wrong

[Fast Jimmy]

You sure we are playing the same game? Because while this tactic works with low level hacks, that's not how it goes for average hacks and above, as not only there are a lot of passwords to choose, but each word can go from 7 to 10 letters. And 3 atempts before having to restart and try again make things particularly hard. So like I said, it's mostly dumb luck.

Well, with higher hack skills, there are lots of "glitch" options that can be highlight and remove incorrect options. That makes it all incredibly simple.

[Dermain]

Well, with higher hack skills, there are lots of "glitch" options that can be highlight and remove incorrect options. That makes it all incredibly simple.

 

There was no "hack" skill! It was SCIENCE!!!

 

Do you even Fallout Jimmy?

[Eternal Phoenix]

Deus Ex 'a system was too RNG dependant. You're pretty much required to carry a supply of worms and viruses in case something went wrong

 

It wasn't random at all. It was about being quick and knowing where you're going. The worms and viruses just made harder hacks easier but weren't required. The whole way of shutting down individual routes though with viruses or worms to disable security actually made it feel like you were infiltrating a system as opposed to the hacking of New Vegas which feels as if someone threw it together over the lunch table.

 

Michele: "So we're a week away from New Vegas going gold and we still haven't come up with a hacking system yet. Any ideas?"

Jake: "Yeah...*munch munch* I've got an idea" Jake swallows his food and continues "I just came up with it right now. The player has to select a bunch of words which are potentially the passwords for the system. If the player selects incorrectly then they are told if the word they selected shared any similar letters with the real password and how many so they can guess again."

Michele: "Well it's good enough. We don't have time to develop a deep mini-game based around hacking, viruses and bypassing security so it'll have to do!"

Jake: "Excellent, so do I get that bonus?"

Michele: "You sure do! Come to my office later, alone, and I'll give it to you...."

Later...

Jake: "OH YEAH BABY GIVE IT TO ME! OH YEAH! OH YEAH BABY!"

Michele: "Oh you like that huh?"

Jake: "I SURE DO!"

Michele: "Well spend it well. £200 is a lot for a lunch time idea."

Jake: "Oh yeah baby, now I can afford that sweet new graphics card I've been saving up for."

[Jaison1986]

Well, with higher hack skills, there are lots of "glitch" options that can be highlight and remove incorrect options. That makes it all incredibly simple.

 

Wow, I actually didin't knew about this particular trick. I'll keep it in mind next time I try hacking.