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#3801
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Control Ending FTW. 
 
We will create a remote control that will gives unlimited control of the Androids. We will create this by raiding the Alien base in the area, I seen some pictures of Aliens in the Wasteland that looks like it is from Fallout 4 lol


**** yeah! Aliens!! Who cares about it making sense!?! IT ****** ALIENS!!

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I'm always doing a playthrough on each. It's really just a matter of how long a break I take between sessions. ;)
 
Finishing the last few mods I planned out years ago is my real priority, and I am scrambling to get them done...because after FO4, there's a fairly high probability that I won't touch the NV or FO3 GECKs again...and I like to finish what I started.

 

I wanna replay Fallout 3 but I own a ps3  :( and apparently I progressed enough now the game randomly crashes



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War never changes because people never change.


Yet we continue to search these worlds and these stories for proof of the contrary. That there will be that ONE faction, or that ONE technology, or that ONE location that might actually have an answer, a solution, for the terrible nature of the world, which is merely a reflection of thre terrible nature of man.



The problem, as Crusty points out, is that stable civilization and clear progress puts that premise to lie. Not completely, as man destroys itself in many forms at all levels of society. But the fact remains - the canvas on which to paint that conflict is no better than the one where mankind loses everything and yet still demonstrates clinging to it's same old folleys. It shows that mankind's destructive nature is its downfall... while a setting where mankind is gradually improving, with the horrors of the past mere road bumps to its progress, is not a good setting to tell the story of mankind struggling with its worst nature.

All in all, I agree that civilized West Coast Fallout is no worse than some present day third world countries (if not better in many places, because of magical future technology). A game may as well have a setting of present day Rwana to show horrors being committed while signs of technological and societal progress are still being made.

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Yet we continue to search these worlds and these stories for proof of the contrary. That there will be that ONE faction, or that ONE technology, or that ONE location that might actually have an answer, a solution, for the terrible nature of the world, which is merely a reflection of thre terrible nature of man.



The problem, as Crusty points out, is that stable civilization and clear progress puts that premise to lie. Not completely, as man destroys itself in many forms at all levels of society. But the fact remains - the canvas on which to paint that conflict is no better than the one where mankind loses everything and yet still demonstrates clinging to it's same old folleys. It shows that mankind's destructive nature is its downfall... while a setting where mankind is gradually improving, with the horrors of the past mere road bumps to its progress, is not a good setting to tell the story of mankind struggling with its worst nature.

All in all, I agree that civilized West Coast Fallout is no worse than some present day third world countries (if not better in many places, because of magical future technology). A game may as well have a setting of present day Rwana to show horrors being committed while signs of technological and societal progress are still being made.

That's a rather darker spin than I'd put on it.

 

Civilization is a phoenix:  it rises, falls, rises again, is destroyed again.  But it keeps coming back.  There is no one answer, no single great technology that will solve all problems.  But despite all that, people endure.  And despite the wasteland that they ended up living in, thanks to the folly of mankind, there is good to be found, even if you have to carve out that piece on your own.  There are things of beauty worth protecting.


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I wanna replay Fallout 3 but I own a ps3  :( and apparently I progressed enough now the game randomly crashes


I feel your pain. I switched to PC...and truthfully you can literally get the Ultimate Edition for FONV on Steam for very little....plus MODS man....MODS! ;)

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I feel you pain. I switched to PC...and truthfully you can literally get the Ultimate Edition for FONV on Steam for very little....plus MODS man....MODS! ;)


It's all about the mods..
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i cant get the GECK to work....i get missing textures every time i load a cell....which is weird since the Skyrim Creation Kit works like a charm


**Reposting. For some reason it dropped your quote**


Are you only getting the warnings? If so, ignore and move on.

Now, if you have cells that are actually missing textures, and won't render, I had the same issue...and I will go back and re-look how I fixed it. Let me know and hopefully I'll find the solution I used in the meantime.

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I won't feel guilty killing an android, it's more like trashing a malfunctioning tv-screen than actually harming a being bearing rights.


So that's the kind of character you'll play as? I'm not really sure what mindset my first character will have about AI. If there is a Boone type character with a tragic backstory who has lived through hardships due to being an android, I can see my first character sympathizing with him (or her), but I guess it'll depend on where the story takes my character. I tried out the Legion with my first Courier to see where the story went (I was completely unspoiled about the story and the options), although my canon is a Courier who chose an independent Vegas and took down Caesar and Lanius in the process.

I also wonder if the Institute will make any mention of House, since it seems he went there before the Great War.

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I hope they don't make the institute a bunch of mustache twirling villains. That would be so cheesy and predictable. I would actually side with them, as I feel little symphaty for the railroad, that to me is the Fallout equivalent of SJW. Hell, I didn't even liked those ex-slaves in FO3 who were so bossy, forcing you to swear oaths and do stuff for them.



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I hope they don't make the institute a bunch of mustache twirling villains. That would be so cheesy and predictable. I would actually side with them, as I feel little symphaty for the railroad, that to me is the Fallout equivalent of SJW. Hell, I didn't even liked those ex-slaves in FO3 who were so bossy, forcing you to swear oaths and do stuff for them.

The national socialism (nazism) was more obvious than a bunch of moustache twirling villains, and look how many votes they democratically got in their history.



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I hope they don't make the institute a bunch of mustache twirling villains. That would be so cheesy and predictable.


I hope so, too. I'd prefer for there to be good and bad aspects to the Institute so that it's not equivalent to siding with the Legion.

I would actually side with them, as I feel little symphaty for the railroad, that to me is the Fallout equivalent of SJW. Hell, I didn't even liked those ex-slaves in FO3 who were so bossy, forcing you to swear oaths and do stuff for them.


I like the Railroad and the Temple of the Union myself.
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Yet we continue to search these worlds and these stories for proof of the contrary. That there will be that ONE faction, or that ONE technology, or that ONE location that might actually have an answer, a solution, for the terrible nature of the world, which is merely a reflection of thre terrible nature of man.

The problem, as Crusty points out, is that stable civilization and clear progress puts that premise to lie. Not completely, as man destroys itself in many forms at all levels of society. But the fact remains - the canvas on which to paint that conflict is no better than the one where mankind loses everything and yet still demonstrates clinging to it's same old folleys. It shows that mankind's destructive nature is its downfall... while a setting where mankind is gradually improving, with the horrors of the past mere road bumps to its progress, is not a good setting to tell the story of mankind struggling with its worst nature.

 

What are you even talking about?
 



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The national socialism (nazism) was more obvious than a bunch of moustache twirling villains, and look how many votes they democratically got in their history.

 

Intimidating their voter base kind of helped.



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What are you even talking about?


I'm just talkin' 'bout Shaft.
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The national socialism (nazism) was more obvious than a bunch of moustache twirling villains, and look how many votes they democratically got in their history.

 

I don't really feel like writing a long post showing all of the difference, but socialism is not "nazism".

 

Nazis were fascists which, while similar to socialism, is not socialism.


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I'm just talkin' 'bout Shaft.


Can ya dig it?

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I don't really feel like writing a long post showing all of the difference, but socialism is not "nazism".

 

Nazis were fascists which, while similar to socialism, is not socialism.

https://en.wikipedia...disambiguation)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

 

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈntsɪzm/), and rarely as Hitlerism, was the ideology and practice of the German Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany as a whole, though it is sometimes applied to other far-right groups.

 

I'm not used to speak nonsense. :mellow:

 

For further confirmation

 

http://www.britannic...ional-Socialism



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I personally really like how the West Coast has developed. Just because a society has risen from the wasteland, and the setting in that area has evolved to Post-Post apocalypse doesn't mean that there will be a lack of problems and challenges to deal with. Before, the wasteland was filled with just people fighting for survival,  but now it's wrought with Wars over Ideology, money, Xenophobia, and ambitions to conquer.

 

The NCR and it's surrounding territories offer the chance to truly highlight all the Lightest and Darkest parts of human nature that come with being in society; Peaceful Unification and expansion to Violent Annexation, Altruism and Charitable Organizations to Cruelty and Organized Crime. Leaders who believe the Ideals that they represent to Corrupt Politicians who taint their society. Theres a certain Comfort and seeing the NCR attempting to rebuild life to what it was like before the war, and how they built themselves on noble Ideals, but there is always this Constant fear that no matter how many great leaders, or heroes rise to protect the Republic, their potential will end up being wasted because they haven't learned anything from the War - Because in the years since Tandi's death they have conquered everything in sight and polluted their offices with the Corrupt and Incompetent - Because many who represent or lead the NCR are so quick to forget the Morals of which the Republic was founded on when it is Convenient, with some seeming to have never bothered remembering such Ideals in the first place.

 

Even if the NCR was not as corrupt as it is, and stood as a peaceful Utopia within the Wastes, it'd still face it's problems. Many would wage war on it for their Technology, or Resources. Others would attack it based on Ideological reason. Some might even attack it simply because they treat Mutants and Ghouls as citizens. This is just from outside threats, a growing government would harbor countless inner threats; dealing from inevitable Famine and Drought trying to take care of so many citizens at once, to the constant watch for corruption and possible Coups within it's Leadership, to ensuring the security of it's settlements from Raiders and even possible Terrorist Actions. And theres always the risk of the more distant territories wanting to split away from the NCR, and possibly spark a Civil War.

 

The NCR hold great potential as it stands now - Either as a rebuilt America that has learned from it's Mistakes, or as a Empire of survivors who refuse to learn from the Hellish landscape around them.

 

To me atleast, seeing how this Society will develop and if it can be a symbol of Redemption for America, or a monument of it's folly is vastly more interesting to me than just a a regular Post Apocalyptic Setting - Not that I'm saying a Post Apocalyptic setting isn't interesting or has no place with in Fallout, I'd just rather it be kept to other parts of America while the West Coast does this. a Post-Post Apocalypse setting is something we really don't see often, and can hold a great amount of potential for story telling.



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The West Coast story has been done, I would like future Fallout games be set somewhere else.



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Don't get me wrong, I'd like a break from the West Coast for now, I just think it has a lot of potential for them to revisit it someday.


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**Reposting. For some reason it dropped your quote**Are you only getting the warnings? If so, ignore and move on.Now, if you have cells that are actually missing textures, and won't render, I had the same issue...and I will go back and re-look how I fixed it. Let me know and hopefully I'll find the solution I used in the meantime.

no warnings, just stuff not being there, for example when i load House' penthouse all i have are a pair of floor and roof tiles and one of his sex bots, everything else is missing
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Theres a certain Comfort and seeing the NCR attempting to rebuild life to what it was like before the war, and how they built themselves on noble Ideals, but there is always this Constant fear that no matter how many great leaders, or heroes rise to protect the Republic, their potential will end up being wasted because they haven't learned anything from the War - Because in the years since Tandi's death they have conquered everything in sight and polluted their offices with the Corrupt and Incompetent - Because many who represent or lead the NCR are so quick to forget the Morals of which the Republic was founded on when it is Convenient, with some seeming to have never bothered remembering such Ideals in the first place.

 

It sure would  have been nice if we saw so much as a shred of this in New Vegas. A lot of characters telling you how supposedly 'corrupt' and 'incompetent' the NCR is, no characters actually showing it.

 

I can't remember a single NCR character that was shown to be corrupt or even particularly incompetent.

 

It's very important to understand that the existence of a 'grey' faction or character such as the NCR doesn't do anything narratively by itself. There seems to be no end of writers who think that by simply having enough grey characters being grey, they've somehow succeeded in fulfilling narrative fundamentals and have written and good and 'intelligent' story. They rarely do.



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I can't remember a single NCR character that was shown to be corrupt or even particularly incompetent.

The only accusation to be made to the NCR is to be centralizing power, denying some decisional freedom to the countries that choose or don't choose to be part of it. But, confronted with what the Legion does or Mr. House is keeping... it's talking about saint and immaculate people.



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General Oliver though....