Evil choices are practically always much more contrived than good ones. And they're generally narrative dead ends in that they don't bother with conflict and resolution. It's natural that they don't get the attention 'canonical' good choices do.
I wish they weren't though. I also wish that more bad endings were expanded too.
I never understood all the debate over how corrupt the NCR is. Who cares when they are fighting what amounts to the isis of the wastes? Seems silly to me. Sure you can say the NCR is not perfect, no government is, but they do pretty well considering the circumstances.
I mostly sided with House because I grew up in Las Vegas listening to the locals complain about how those evil Californians were stealing all our water, and New Vegas felt like the same thing.
Evil choices are practically always much more contrived than good ones. And they're generally narrative dead ends in that they don't bother with conflict and resolution. It's natural that they don't get the attention 'canonical' good choices do.
Thats the thing though. It makes sense for people that have never had access to technology in their culture. But for people living in Nevada? Descended from the technologically advanced United States? Why are they suddenly using throwing spears and rock maces when the wastes are jam packed with firearms? Why are they suddenly talking and acting like Native Americans? (Honest hearts was AWFUL in this regard).it makes perfect sense to me, even today in the less developed parts of the world there are people living in tribes, when you have no technology, no education and everything is trying to kill you its the only way to survive
I wish they weren't though. I also wish that more bad endings were expanded too.
Developers tried that with earlier RPGs. It seems very simple - give players a solid amount of 'good' content and a solid amount of 'evil' content and everybody gets what they want.
Well, it turns out that really doesn't work at all. Good and evil are very, very asymmetric and cannot be treated as two equal sides of a coin.
Hence you see RPGs generally becoming more 'good' in the previous years. Like New Vegas, for example, where all four of the human companions are good people who want to do the right thing. Evil companions are generally a thing of the past. Unfortunately the reasons behind this are above the heads of most players.
You are assuming joining the Legion was evil.
I don't have to assume. It's obvious the Legion is by far the most evil choice.
Thats the thing though. It makes sense for people that have never had access to technology in their culture. But for people living in Nevada? Descended from the technologically advanced United States? Why are they suddenly using throwing spears and rock maces when the wastes are jam packed with firearms? Why are they suddenly talking and acting like Native Americans? (Honest hearts was AWFUL in this regard).
It just doesnt add up to me. People banding together to survive as you say makes absolute sense. As does use of makeshift weapons. But the whole "They are like native americans!" thing bothered me.
a lot of the people in the wastes are descendants of people that survived the bombs by hiding in metro stations, makeshift shelters and **** (that was years before the vaults opened) they had to survive the immediate fallout of the nukes, the poisonous rain that killed most the animals and plants and a nuclear winter, in short, going back to basics was the only way to survive, and why they talk that way - just look at the way english has evolved over the last 200 years
I don't have to assume. It's obvious the Legion is by far the most evil choice.
different world different rules, the way i see it the Legion and the NCR are exactly the same, they take what they want and crush anything that gets in their way
different world different rules, the way i see it the Legion and the NCR are exactly the same, they take what they want and crush anything that gets in their way
Simplistic (/nihilistic) vision, it doesn't consider the entire range of factors that exist in the game of powers. Given all it's said and shown, if a person could choose if to live under the Legion or under the NCR, she would pick the second without even thinking about it. Not because the NCR is a heavenly force of good, it has its flaws, but because at least it doesn't act purposedly humiliating people, killing, enslaving, mutilating, proselytizing towards the unique and only idol of the Legion, having an extreme lack of vision.
In two words
NCR gives you flu but helps curing cancer
Legion gives you AIDS but cures gonorrhea.
Thats the thing though. It makes sense for people that have never had access to technology in their culture. But for people living in Nevada? Descended from the technologically advanced United States? Why are they suddenly using throwing spears and rock maces when the wastes are jam packed with firearms? Why are they suddenly talking and acting like Native Americans? (Honest hearts was AWFUL in this regard).
It just doesnt add up to me. People banding together to survive as you say makes absolute sense. As does use of makeshift weapons. But the whole "They are like native americans!" thing bothered me.
Thats the thing though. It makes sense for people that have never had access to technology in their culture. But for people living in Nevada? Descended from the technologically advanced United States? Why are they suddenly using throwing spears and rock maces when the wastes are jam packed with firearms? Why are they suddenly talking and acting like Native Americans? (Honest hearts was AWFUL in this regard).
It just doesnt add up to me. People banding together to survive as you say makes absolute sense. As does use of makeshift weapons. But the whole "They are like native americans!" thing bothered me.
Well, most of the tribes/gangs in the Mojave do use firearms. The Vipers, the Jackals, the Kings, Chairmen, Omertas, White Glove Society, etc.
unless there are vehicles capable of making trans-Atlantic flights, the very idea of accents such as this are impossible.
Tenpenny was born in England and moved to the US so obviously its possible
oh, and apparently Moriarty was also born elsewhere and moved to the US as a child
different world different rules, the way i see it the Legion and the NCR are exactly the same, they take what they want and crush anything that gets in their way
You mean the way you see it when you're comfortably playing a video game?
'Video game philosophy' is not philosophy. There are no end of accusations in the real world that the USA and western world in general are bullies who take what they want. Yet, never once, in my entire life, have I seen anyone ever advocate an ultracollectiveist society along the lines of the Legion, let alone write books, raise money, take any action representative of such a society, and so forth.
As for speaking like Native Americans, this doesn't make sense at all to me, either. Just like Colin Moriarty sounding Irish is stupid - unless there are vehicles capable of making trans-Atlantic flights, the very idea of accents such as this are impossible. Unless the people are simply the results of parodies of the past, like the Kings, I suppose. A group of people thinking they were tribal and so just started talking like Native Americans... I don't know. That, I agree, is incredibly silly (and poorly done).
Fallout has always been full of parodies.
But in the case of Honest Hearts, the Dead Horses are supposed to be talking like a mixture of native American and I believe German, given what Joshua has to say about their history.
And the Sorrows are descendants of school children who found their way yo the park and were covertly helped by a survivalist living in the caves, so it's not like they started out with much in the way of resources.
Yeah, this is it for me(you've worded my argument in a much better way, lol, thank you for that). I'll take back the weapons thing and just agree that the accents and mannerisms are what bothers me really.As for speaking like Native Americans, this doesn't make sense at all to me, either. Just like Colin Moriarty sounding Irish is stupid - unless there are vehicles capable of making trans-Atlantic flights, the very idea of accents such as this are impossible. Unless the people are simply the results of parodies of the past, like the Kings, I suppose. A group of people thinking they were tribal and so just started talking like Native Americans... I don't know. That, I agree, is incredibly silly (and poorly done).
Simplistic (/nihilistic) vision, it doesn't consider the entire range of factors that exist in the game of powers. Given all it's said and shown, if a person could choose if to live under the Legion or under the NCR, she would pick the second without even thinking about it. Not because the NCR is a heavenly force of good, it has its flaws, but because at least it doesn't act purposedly humiliating people, killing, enslaving, mutilating, proselytizing towards the unique and only idol of the Legion, having an extreme lack of vision.
In two words
NCR gives you flu but helps curing cancer
Legion gives you AIDS but cures gonorrhea.
you are looking at it from the point of view of someone who lives in today's world not as someone living in a post apocalyptic hell 
you are looking at it from the point of view of someone who lives in today's world not as someone living in a post apocalyptic hell
Living in a post-nuclear-disaster strengthens the viewing of the NCR as a force of good, not the contrary.
Also, all the corruption there is in such society, tends to strengthen its vision of the NCR as busybodies, so from that derives the perspective you speak with.
Simplistic (/nihilistic) vision, it doesn't consider the entire range of factors that exist in the game of powers. Given all it's said and shown, if a person could choose if to live under the Legion or under the NCR, she would pick the second without even thinking about it. Not because the NCR is a heavenly force of good, it has its flaws, but because at least it doesn't act purposedly humiliating people, killing, enslaving, mutilating, proselytizing towards the unique and only idol of the Legion, having an extreme lack of vision.
In two words
NCR gives you flu but helps curing cancer
Legion gives you AIDS but cures gonorrhea.
Living in a post-nuclear-disaster strengthens the viewing of the NCR as a force of good, not the contrary.
i wouldnt call NCR or the Legion good or bad, just grey and grey and you dont join either by choice, its just your only way to survive
Yeah, this is it for me(you've worded my argument in a much better way, lol, thank you for that). I'll take back the weapons thing and just agree that the accents and mannerisms are what bothers me really.
Tenpenny was born in England and moved to the US so obviously its possible
oh, and apparently Moriarty was also born elsewhere and moved to the US as a child
Rule of Cool, I suppose. It sounded like a good idea to someone, so they put it in without giving it any real thought.
and id say that your language is affected by your way of life ......i mean just look at the 60s.......
People are more likely to have the option of "join the NCR or fend for yourself against a mutated wasteland full of creatures and crazies out to kill you."
That's the truth, and globally they are the nicer powerful organization of people you see in the wasteland. I don't recall being asked of sacrificing myself just to be a citizen of the NCR. All the requirements were: behave, contribute to society, do work, don't be messy and a troublemaker. Politics, again, there can be corruption in it, but still it's way less than the other options you see. If I have to trust an ill man to go on with my life, or to trust a zombie, pardon me if I choose the ill one.
Yeah... I'd like to know how. Where are these ships porting? Or are hey doing veritbird trips? If so... are they apparently taking random children on these rides for no other purpose but to drop them off and leave them to open bars or towers?
Flimsy. Incredibly flimsy.
Moriarty arrived with his father and grandfather who helped found Megaton, not much is said about his grandfather other than that, his father used the trade routes to make money and help build up the town, unfortunately that didnt keep him safe and he was killed in a raider attack when Colin was 14, the first thing he did after inheriting his father's wealth was build a wall around megaton 
and i believe it was mentioned somewhere that Tenpenny arrived by plane but i cant seem to find the source
For the player, sure. All you see is the terror they inflict to their enemies on the NCR side. You are barely ever let into Legion territory in NV and when you do, it is really only their war camp. If an entire nation was judged solely by how their victims of war viewed them, then every country would appear evil.I don't have to assume. It's obvious the Legion is by far the most evil choice.
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