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[Fast Jimmy]

Moriarty arrived with his father and grandfather who helped found Megaton, not much is said about his grandfather other than that, his father used the trade routes to make money and help build up the town, unfortunately that didnt keep him safe and he was killed in a raider attack when Colin was 14, the first thing he did after inheriting his father's wealth was build a wall around megaton

and i believe it was mentioned somewhere that Tenpenny arrived by plane but i cant seem to find the source

Again... where are these people arriving from? It is thousands of miles to cross the Atlantic. He and his family made an impossible journey to visit America when every shred of evidence would suggest this is impossible to... settle in a giant radioactive crater and build a shanty town out of airplane scrap?

And same for Tenpenny... flimsy. Very flimsy.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Again... where are these people arriving from? It is thousands of miles to cross the Atlantic. He and his family made an impossible journey to visit America when every shred of evidence would suggest this is impossible to... settle in a giant radioactive crater and build a shanty town out of airplane scrap?

And same for Tenpenny... flimsy. Very flimsy.

well apparently Europe is a even bigger hellhole so they made that journey for the same reason America was settled in the first place - looking for a better life

 

 

and why would it be impossible? the Boomers proved its not, and most of the planes at McCaran look serviceable

[Fast Jimmy]

That's the truth, and globally they are the nicer powerful organization of people you see in the wasteland. I don't recall being asked of sacrificing myself just to be a citizen of the NCR. All the requirements were: behave, contribute to society, do work, don't be messy and a troublemaker. Politics, again, there can be corruption in it, but still it's way less than the other options you see. If I have to trust an ill man to go on with my life, or to trust a zombie, pardon me if I choose the ill one.

Yes, if you join the NCR and follow the rules, you can get by just fine. Until the Rangers are called away due to their forces being spread so thin, the psychotic convicts they shipped over with a metric ton of destructive explosives escape and your farms all die because you are in a desert and the only water available is being sent out to California.

I'm not saying NCR isn't the more civilized group... but as a New Vegas random Joe-blow, your security is FAR from guaranteed by joining them.

[Fast Jimmy]

well apparently Europe is a even bigger hellhole so they made that journey for the same reason America was settled in the first place - looking for a better life


and why would it be impossible? the Boomers proved its not, and most of the planes at McCaran look serviceable

Flying a plane is one thing. Flying across the Atlantic is a whole different one. And where the heck are they landing? Your average piece of paved concrete is so cracked and dilapidated you'd be lucky anyone survived, let alone still had a functional plane.

It sounds like Rule of Cool to me. Let's ignore everything there is to know about avionics and navigation because it's cool when people sound Irish.

[Liamv2]

I just assumed some foreigners were in the vaults.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Flying a plane is one thing. Flying across the Atlantic is a whole different one. And where the heck are they landing? Your average piece of paved concrete is so cracked and dilapidated you'd be lucky anyone survived, let alone still had a functional plane.

It sounds like Ruke of Cool to me. Let's ignore everything there is to know about avionics and navigation because it's cool when people sound Irish.

you're forgetting we're talking about 50s technology here, propeller aircraft dont really need as smooth a landing surface as jet aircraft, lower speeds and all, back then most runways we're just dirt, hell even today there are a lot of dirt runways in use.

 

and to be fair, if you have no other choice you will not only fly across the atlantic, you'll swim if you have to

[Fast Jimmy]

you're forgetting we're talking about 50s technology here, propeller aircraft dont really need as smooth a landing surface as jet aircraft, lower speeds and all, back then most runways we're just dirt, hell even today there are a lot of dirt runways in use.

and to be fair, if you have no other choice you will not only fly across the atlantic, you'll swim if you have to

In the radioactive water? Full of crazy radioactive sea monsters? And giant radioactive storms?!

Nah, brah. Not for the America we see in the Fallout games. Europe may somehow be a bigger stink hole (not sure how, since they weren't even at war with China, so you'd think they would have about broken even, if not been better off, than the punishment the U.S. got) but no level of bad can be so terrible as to warrant courting almost certain death to come here.

Also, not to mention that if Europe was so bad, how do they magically have a level of technology that the U.S. can't seem to capture?

[Fast Jimmy]

I just assumed some foreigners were in the vaults.

But naturalization happens in a matter of years. Someone who comes to a country at a young age often speaks the new language fluently and with little accent, even if the rest of their home speaks their home's language primarily. In two hundred years, you'd never have just one person with a foreign accent.

[Liamv2]

But naturalization happens in a matter of years. Someone who comes to a country at a young age often speaks the new language fluently and with little accent, even if the rest of their home speaks their home's language primarily. In two hundred years, you'd never have just one person with a foreign accent.

 

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

In the radioactive water? Full of crazy radioactive sea monsters? And giant radioactive storms?!

Nah, brah. Not for the America we see in the Fallout games. Europe may somehow be a bigger stink hole (not sure how, since they weren't even at war with China, so you'd think they would have about broken even, if not been better off, than the punishment the U.S. got) but no level of bad can be so terrible as to warrant courting almost certain death to come here.

Also, not to mention that if Europe was so bad, how do they magically have a level of technology that the U.S. can't seem to capture?

when the bombs dropped Europe was a few years removed from a 20 year war with the Middle East that caused the collapse of the European Commonwealth (their version of the EU), they expended a massive amount of resources in the war and got nothing in return

 

also the great war wasnt just China and the US, it was everyone nuking everyone, apparently they dont even know who shot first

[Cyonan]

On a side note, it'd be interesting to actually get to see what's going on in the Fallout world outside of the US.

[Fast Jimmy]

On a side note, it'd be interesting to actually get to see what's going on in the Fallout world outside of the US.

I remember in the post-Fallout 2 world, people speculated that FO3 would be in Europe, since now they had introduced Vertibird technology which could fly at least as far to the remote ocean base of the Enclave. I think that got shot down because you are likely to lose the Vaults and the iconic 1950's America references if you base it in Europe.

Still, I think it would be great to have a better peak at other parts of the world, somehow. Maybe as DLC or something, if they can explain the traveling.

[Iakus]

 
The answer is, of course, House. But barring that, the Legion is, long-term speaking, the more likely choice. The NCR can't continue at the pace it is going and when it falls, it will leave its people even more exposed than ever, because they will assume they have security or backup when they really need it and they just... won't.

Well the problem here is, unless they threaten the Strip directly, House probably won't bother protecting anyone.

 

The Legion is sort of a murderously psychotic version of the Qun

[Cyonan]

I remember in the post-Fallout 2 world, people speculated that FO3 would be in Europe, since now they had introduced Vertibird technology which could fly at least as far to the remote ocean base of the Enclave. I think that got shot down because you are likely to lose the Vaults and the iconic 1950's America references if you base it in Europe.

Still, I think it would be great to have a better peak at other parts of the world, somehow. Maybe as DLC or something, if they can explain the traveling.

 

Apparently in Bethesda Fallout, travel happens across oceans by magic =P

 

Although I wonder if one of those BoS airships could make the trip.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I remember in the post-Fallout 2 world, people speculated that FO3 would be in Europe, since now they had introduced Vertibird technology which could fly at least as far to the remote ocean base of the Enclave. I think that got shot down because you are likely to lose the Vaults and the iconic 1950's America references if you base it in Europe.

Still, I think it would be great to have a better peak at other parts of the world, somehow. Maybe as DLC or something, if they can explain the traveling.

i already explained the traveling

 

there is nothing in the lore that prevents it, there is no giant radioactive wall between the US and the rest of the world, there are no magical storms that appear as soon as you get off the ground and there are no 500 foot waves eating boats

 

 

hell, if the vikings could do it a relatively advanced society should have no problems

[Gravisanimi]

Apparently in Bethesda Fallout, travel happens across oceans by magic =P

 

Although I wonder if one of those BoS airships could make the trip.

Well, NV did have that girl in the Khans who had an New Zealand accent, Melissa I think.

 

So they are coming from somewhere other than Bethesda.

[Fast Jimmy]

i already explained the traveling

there is nothing in the lore that prevents it, there is no giant radioactive wall between the US and the rest of the world, there are no magical storms that appear as soon as you get off the ground and there are no 500 foot waves eating boats


hell, if the vikings could do it a relatively advanced society should have no problems

If scorpions radioactively grew to 20X their original size, I shudder to think what that would do to a squid or a jellyfish. Or a freaking shark.

I'm not saying they couldn't introduce some magic method that allows planes to exist, but it just seems silly that they exist nowhere else in the entire US except for one magic place, where orphans and families can hitch rides and begin new lives in America. That seems highly far-fetched.

Part of a powerful organization? Sure. Just random people looking to start over? Doesn't add up.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Well, NV did have that girl in the Khans who had an New Zealand accent, Melissa I think.

random fact - the Melissa companion mod is my favorite mod for a Bethesda game

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, NV did have that girl in the Khans who had an New Zealand accent, Melissa I think.

So they are coming from somewhere other than Bethesda.

True. It certainly isn't a Bethesda-only phenomenon.

[Cyonan]

i already explained the traveling

 

there is nothing in the lore that prevents it, there is no giant radioactive wall between the US and the rest of the world, there are no magical storms that appear as soon as you get off the ground and there are no 500 foot waves eating boats

 

 

hell, if the vikings could do it a relatively advanced society should have no problems

 

You'd need a group of people that actually have the resources to craft a ship large enough to be able to make the trip, plus the technical know how to actually make any of that advanced tech work. On top of that, they would need to actually want to leave the US to go and see what's going on elsewhere in the world.

 

In other words, the Brotherhood of Steel is probably the only group that would even really consider it. The Enclave likely would have possessed the ability, but seemed more obsessed with rebuilding America than anything else and at this point after Fallout 3 we're not really sure how much of them is even left. New Vegas confirms the west coast group was effectively wiped out.

 

I'm not sure how sturdy those airships of theirs are but that seems like the best way to travel across the ocean since as Jimmy mentions, the radioactive mutation of sea creatures would not be pretty and flying would largely bypass that.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

If scorpions radioactively grew to 20X their original size, I shudder to think what that would do to a squid or a jellyfish. Or a freaking shark.

I'm no saying they couldn't introduce some magic method that allows planes to exist, but it just seems silly that they exist nowhere else in the entire US except for one magic place, where orphans and families can hitch rides and begin new lives in America. That seems highly far-fetched.

Part of a powerful organization? Sure. Just random people looking to start over? Doesn't add up.

i dont remember anyone ever saying planes only exist in one place, hell we see them in both FO3 and NV, there are 3 reasons why they arent used much

1. lack of trained pilots and mechanics, and the Boomers proved it was possible to train them

2. like a lot of the other technology around a lot of them have been scavenged for parts

3. most people dont really give a ****

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

You'd need a group of people that actually have the resources to craft a ship large enough to be able to make the trip, plus the technical know how to actually make any of that advanced tech work.

you need 5 trees and cloth for the sail

[Fast Jimmy]

i dont remember anyone ever saying planes only exist in one place, hell we see them in both FO3 and NV, there are 3 reasons why they arent used much
1. lack of trained pilots and mechanics, and the Boomers proved it was possible to train them
2. like a lot of the other technology around a lot of them have been scavenged for parts
3. most people dont really give a ****

Well, fine, it doesn't have to be one place... but we have no idea where these places are, since there are no functional planes, no discussion of rebuilding planes, no mention of aircraft of any kind aside from veritbirds. Where are these planes landing? Refueling? Where are the trained pilots coming from? The spare parts? The repairs?

We've seen numerous hubs of future technology in the Fallout games. And none of them have planes. So where are the people coming from? If there one secret, never-talked about international airport people go to? Or do we just never see the settlements that have planes and the technology is actually somewhat common?

[BabyPuncher]

For the player, sure. All you see is the terror they inflict to their enemies on the NCR side. You are barely ever let into Legion territory in NV and when you do, it is really only their war camp. If an entire nation was judged solely by how their victims of war viewed them, then every country would appear evil.

Fact is, the Legion provided stability to the wasteland. In a brutal and semi-psychotic way, sure. But it is clearly able to continue providing that level of stability, while the NCR is showing clear signs of over-stretching. When the Raiders attack, or the Powder Gang breaks out, or when the Super Mutants go on a rampage... which side is going to better protect the people?

The answer is, of course, House. But barring that, the Legion is, long-term speaking, the more likely choice. The NCR can't continue at the pace it is going and when it falls, it will leave its people even more exposed than ever, because they will assume they have security or backup when they really need it and they just... won't.

 

Uh-huh. Okay.

 

Did you see my earlier post on 'video game philosophy'?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Well, fine, it doesn't have to be one place... but we have no idea where these places are, since there are no functional planes, no discussion of rebuilding planes, no mention of aircraft of any kind aside from veritbirds. Where are these planes landing? Refueling? Where are the trained pilots coming from? The spare parts? The repairs?

We've seen numerous hubs of future technology in the Fallout games. And none of them have planes. So where are the people coming from? If there one secret, never-talked about international airport people go to? Or do we just never see the settlements that have planes and the technology is actually somewhat common?

rule one of airplanes - dont talk about airplanes

 

seriously though, the major reason people dont talk about them is because they dont need them, hell i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people dont even know what they are

 

you should remember however that most of the bombs that fell were low yield so the destruction wasnt that wide spread, functioning aircraft and the infrastructure to build new ones should be mostly intact and seeing how common they seem to be in Boston then someone is obviously doing it, hell they have a airship for ****'s sake. For groups like the BoS and the Enclave building aircraft really shouldnt be an issue....and it also shouldnt be an issue to steal from them