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[Barbarossa2010]

I leave this morning and come back five pages later?! Good gods, the Legion?

My two cents: there is nothing redeeming about the Legion as presented, absolutely nothing, unless of course you're a security at all costs sort....OR, you're a GUY...a guy who might find himself comfortable in a marshal society...oh, and happens to like donning sports equipment while busying himself with the ever-important decision of which knife to bring to the next gun fight. The Legion is preposterous, but then again, so is Fallout. It’s cool.

Now, had they been presented as I believe they were originally intended, they would have been far more attractive, or at least, considerably less repulsive.

....Actually, I take that back...

The Legion is good for one thing...Target practice.

...and Loot; can’t forget about loot. Vale!

[Master Warder Z_]

Eh I like the Legion.

[Barbarossa2010]

I know. I'm just messing with you!

 

I never did finish my Legion run though. Got too busy with my mods. I'll have to finish that before November. It's been...interesting.

[Commander Rpg]

Meanwhile, in Primm

 

[TheChosenOne]

I wonder if we'll see the legion again or something like it in FO4. I need some live target practice....

[Master Warder Z_]

I know. I'm just messing with you!

I never did finish my Legion run though. Got too busy with my mods. I'll have to finish that before November. It's been...interesting.

Honestly Vulpes is so delightful its hard to not work for the Legion

[Fast Jimmy]

What the author gets to say is that this form of oppressive government is actually stable. Whether a popular uprising happens, whether the legion can actually succeed in resisting invanders, and whether the political system it develops can function is all decided at the whim of the author. That position isnt per se wrong.

That said, the more serious problem is that even if we accept all this it's still quite obviously evil. It's only tolerable if you happen to think the relative comfort of a minor wealthy elite and the marginal comfort of a more general serf population - counterbalanced against slavery, among other evils - is actually an OK system. And it's hard to say how this is true.

You are thinking from an Old World perspective.

Firstly, you assume that because the Pre-War civilization had developed morals, laws and standards to protect human rights, that these somehow carried over and have been taught to people in a world where raiders who massacre innocents is a regular thing. I think it is a huge stretch to think the teaching industrialized society in the 1950's (let alone today) is still being taught in the Wastelands.

Secondly, we are given snippets into the past that human life in the Fallout Pre-War world is not nearly as valued as we hold it. You see corporate records of people dying from drinking soft drinks. You see widespread human experimentation, both in the private and the government sectors. You see rebellions put down by people being executed in the streets. You see a space program that treats its astronauts as disposable casualties instead of humans worth doing anything to protect.

Lastly, even if people were taught that, by and large, every human life matters, that slavery is intrinsically wrong and that might should never make right... this isn't the Old World. If left alone, a small village in the Old World could farm and live normal, peaceful lives without much worry. In the Post-Apocalypse, that's not possible. Not only do you have exponentially more human threats (such as Raiders, psycopaths and invading armies), but you clearly have a (un)natural world that can kill you in the blink of an eye, with radscorpions, giant ants, Deathclaws, super mutants, feral ghouls... the list goes on and on about things the player encounters that are mindless, dangerous and fatal parts of your everyday wasteland. Protection is needed just to survive in many cases. If your option is no protection or the protection of a tyrant, can you completely say that courting certain death is better than living under the rule of dictatorship?

[Akrabra]

http://www.gameinfor...al-touches.aspx

 

Another Game Informer piece that is worth reading, so far i would say they have done the best Fallout 4 coverage. 

[Commander Rpg]

Honestly Vulpes is so delightful its hard to not work for the Legion

I killed him and his lackeys after he spoke to me at Nipton. Such a nice person.

[Master Warder Z_]

 If your option is no protection or the protection of a tyrant, can you completely say that courting certain death is better than living under the rule of dictatorship?

 

If those were my choices?

 

Ave True to Caesar!

[LobselVith8]

I killed him and his lackeys after he spoke to me at Nipton. Such a nice person.

With the terrifying presence perk? You can tell him: "I'll wear your head like you wear that dog's."

You can also confront Caesar with the Terrifying Presence perk:

Caesar: "You're the courier who's caused so much trouble for my Legion, and yet you dare come before me. Vulpes Inculta, the best of my frumentarii, is dead. All the bribes I sent to the Omertas ended up buying me nothing. The Great Khans aren't exactly clamoring to fight for my Legion now. The garrison I established at Nelson has been wiped out. Years of meticulous scheming to place a mole at Camp McCarran - wasted. The Kings of Freeside are cooperating with the NCR now, which frees up soldiers to defend the dam. You even disrupted a promising weapons deal with the Van Graffs. So tell me this, because I really want to know: I am feared - with good reason - but you, of all people, dare to come before me, the mighty Caesar. What were you thinking?"

Courier: "That I'd decorate this tent with your guts."

It would be nice if there were similar moments in Fallout 4.

[Commander Rpg]

With the terrifying presence perk?

No, with the "I'll shoot you in the head before you say 'Bah!' " perk.

 

[Dread-Reaper]

http://kotaku.com/th...oota-1723429196

[Fast Jimmy]

http://kotaku.com/th...oota-1723429196

The singular comment on the video reads “Came all over my monitor.”

Dear Internet,

Never change.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

so, for those that have watched the video - thoughts on the radial menu?

 

personally i hope it makes its way to PC, im tired of having to bind stuff to the number keys, especially since everything after 5 is hard to use for people with normal sized hands, something like Skyrim's favorites menu can be useful too

[Cyonan]

Well I can't say that I ever thought I would start today off by watching Fallout 4 footage on a porn site.

 

What I don't get is why Bethesda is being so weird about this footage. It's not like they could be hiding anything when you're showing it to a bunch of people who are just going to go back to the internet and report everything they saw.

 

so, for those that have watched the video - thoughts on the radial menu?

 

personally i hope it makes its way to PC, im tired of having to bind stuff to the number keys, especially since everything after 5 is hard to use for people with normal sized hands, something like Skyrim's favorites menu can be useful too

 

Skyrim's favourites menu probably works a little bit better for PC since you could fit more into it. The radial menu is mostly just because that style happens to work very well for the thumbsticks of a controller.

 

As long as I can still bind stuff though, I'll be happy enough.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I forgot the release date. Is it late 2015 or 2016?

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I forgot the release date. Is it late 2015 or 2016?

its in exactly 90 days

[DarthSliver]

I am planning some big savings so getting my preorders paid off tomorrow or shortly after tomorrow. 

 

I am hoping Destiny can hold its weight in water until Fallout 4 with its Taken King release. Of course I got other games to beat too so not sure why i care for something to hold my attention until Fallout 4

[Fast Jimmy]

its in exactly 90 days

Wow. Shirt's about to get real.

[Dread-Reaper]

so, for those that have watched the video - thoughts on the radial menu?

 

personally i hope it makes its way to PC, im tired of having to bind stuff to the number keys, especially since everything after 5 is hard to use for people with normal sized hands, something like Skyrim's favorites menu can be useful too

I wouldn't mind a radial menu for weapons and a favourites menu for consumables.

[Master Warder Z_]

With the terrifying presence perk? You can tell him: "I'll wear your head like you wear that dog's."

 

And you also say you admire the purity of Legion justice.

 

There is much to be admired from the standpoint that if you place personal gain above the betterment of the collective good or the will of the leader you will be made to account for it and never allowed to do it again.

[saMoorai]

As much as I love Fallout 2, the idea that three generations of people who are otherwise educated and sophisticated turning into full-on tribal folk, complete with shamanistic religion, seemed like an insane stretch.

I like to think that the Vault Dweller made them do that. You know, to mess with them.

[DarthSliver]

bump, because this thread can't be on the second page lol

[Eternal Phoenix]

Now that Fallout Shelter released on Android I decided to download it and give it a go, it's actually a good time waster.