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Lolno. That feature is basically taken straight from the Realtime Settler mod for FO3. Nothing new, Bethesda has a history of adding popular mods into later iterations of their games (see FNV weapon modding for example, copy&pasta'd straight from the WMK mod for FO3).


Obsidian acknowledged that mods were the inspiration for some aspects of New Vegas.

If xXxScoNopes720X0X0xXx isn't among them, I will be sooooo rage'y!


:P I was just wondering if Javier would be included.

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A lot of people don't enjoy his music or the genres connected to it. Many might know of his music without knowing anything about it, meaning there's no message to the trailer besides a confusing tone shift.

The Cash track has a really mixed reception because the proportion of people who are familiar with him among gamers is lower than Bioware thought. Which is why it felt like New Vegas. ;)

 

I just can't envision that. I'm hardly a representative of my region in terms of my likes, ideals or behaviors, but not knowing (or even worse, knowing and not LIKING) Johnny Cash is pretty much fightin' words.


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Auto-dialogue is tricky. It can work for simple things, like they did in Mass Effect 2, but when it comes to form personality they need to leave it out. So i am hoping it won't have insanely much auto-dialogue. Commenting on the envoirment and stuff like that i don't mind.


Yeah, perhaps they avoided doing that when it comes to the ideology of the main character. I can't imagine it would make much sense to have auto-dialogue that has the character say one thing, and then the player does the complete opposite. Talking about the sanctity of life and then going on a killing spree, or vocally opposing the methods of the Institute's treatment of androids and then helping chase down their runners.

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I just can't envision that. I'm hardly a representative of my region in terms of my likes, ideals or behaviors, but not knowing (or even worse, knowing and not LIKING) Johnny Cash is pretty much fightin' words.

 

I'm not attuned enough to pop culture to comment. I've only ever met one person that even likes country, ever. Personally, I don't see what there is to like about Johnny Cash's music. It's largely like country, and I don't see what there is to like about that either. I can't say I'm familiar with all his stuff, but everything I've heard is decidedly in the "don't want to hear again" box. 


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I'm not attuned enough to pop culture to comment. I've only ever met one person that even likes country, ever. Personally, I don't see what there is to like about Johnny Cash's music. It's largely like country, and I don't see what there is to like about that either. I can't say I'm familiar with all his stuff, but everything I've heard is decidedly in the "don't want to hear again" box. 

 



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Yeah, I'm not a huge Johnny Cash fan but how can you not like this track. Also, almost everyone I know listens to country. Its pretty horrifying. 


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Obsidian acknowledged that mods were the inspiration for some aspects of New Vegas.


:P I was just wondering if Javier would be included.


And that's the clear advantage of an active, and actively supported, modding community. Developers have a free pool of ideas to tap into and use as they see fit. It really surprises me that most developers fail to recognize the value of it. To me personally, it is a no-brainer.

It was clear to me that even as DLC were released for New Vegas, that small ideas developed within the community were finding their way into officially release products.

But different corporate philosophies, and visions and all...some are better than others.
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Yeah, I'm not a huge Johnny Cash fan but how can you not like this track. Also, almost everyone I know listens to country. Its pretty horrifying. 

 

Western music > Country music. :angry:



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Yeah, I'm not a huge Johnny Cash fan but how can you not like this track. Also, almost everyone I know listens to country. Its pretty horrifying.


Trent Reznore's sole purpose in life was writing the song that would be Johnny Cash's epitaph.

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Western music > Country music. :angry:


Say word, son.

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Trent Reznore's sole purpose in life was writing the song that would be Johnny Cash's epitaph.

 

That I'll disagree with.

 

I'm sure Johnny would too.. I liked that he was a good ole boy type, but still had this dark side that recognized the worth in some unlikely artists. He did a good Danzig cover too (actually Danzig wrote Thirteen for Cash first, but still performs it his own way).



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And that's the clear advantage of an active, and actively supported, modding community. Developers have a free pool of ideas to tap into and use as they see fit. It really surprises me that most developers fail to recognize the value of it. To me personally, it is a no-brainer.

It was clear to me that even as DLC were released for New Vegas, that small ideas developed within the community were finding their way into officially release products.

But different corporate philosophies, and visions and all...some are better than others.


Well, many developers use third party tools. As in... the vast majority. The cost of mod tools (the strongest and clearest way of supporting modding) is the inability to use any third party software. Which means your company has to compete against the best in the marketplace for audio rendering, for animation sequencing, for bug testing/reporting, for COUNTLESS other functions... using third party software lets video game companies be the best at making video games, while using the best tools in the industry (and beyond - the best animation tools used by Pixar, as an example, can be used hust as effectively as those used by a video game).

Housing and maintaining your own engine and support software is a huge enterprise that not only costs tons in development dollars and time, but also runs the risk of your games having a same feel to them... one look at Fallout and TES and you can clearly see the influence of what the Creation Engine feels like in terms of presentation and effectiveness.

So it's not just a matter of developers saying "silly modders... who cares about them?" It's a pretty nuanced decision, not just a matter of ignoring the benefits.

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Well, many developers use third party tools. As in... the vast majority. The cost of mod tools (the strongest and clearest way of supporting modding) is the inability to use any third party software. Which means your company has to compete against the best in the marketplace for audio rendering, for animation sequencing, for bug testing/reporting, for COUNTLESS other functions... using third party software lets video game companies be the best at making video games, while using the best tools in the industry (and beyond - the best animation tools used by Pixar, as an example, can be used hust as effectively as those used by a video game).

Housing and maintaining your own engine and support software is a huge enterprise that not only costs tons in development dollars and time, but also runs the risk of your games having a same feel to them... one look at Fallout and TES and you can clearly see the influence of what the Creation Engine feels like in terms of presentation and effectiveness.

So it's not just a matter of developers saying "silly modders... who cares about them?" It's a pretty nuanced decision, not just a matter of ignoring the benefits.


I suppose it comes down to better/different business models, priorities, vision, and internal efficiencies. Some are better than others. Some are far better in their delivery of an end product to the marketplace, and their support and expansion of customer bases, not to mention building the trust factor, probably the key ingredient of have that solid base of repeat business, upon which to expand.

If I did, I certainly didn't intend to come across as someone who believed any of this as whimsical. I have pretty good idea of what effective vice less effective business models are.

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I'm wondering about the new companions we're gonna meet. Can we bring more then one this time

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Nothing confitmed but rumours have Fallows-Chalk and Bummble as followers but im 111% positive those are false.

but id like another customiseable robot.



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I suppose it comes down to better/different business models, priorities, vision, and internal efficiencies. Some are better than others. Some are far better in their delivery of an end product to the marketplace, and their support and expansion of customer bases, not to mention building the trust factor, probably the key ingredient of have that solid base of repeat business, upon which to expand.

If I did, I certainly didn't intend to come across as someone who believed any of this as whimsical. I have pretty good idea of what effective vice less effective business models are.

 

You didn't... I just actually feel for developers who have no real way of releasing mod tools. It really is an old-school type of model to keep every single thing in house these days, especially with engines (although game engines aren't inherently a block to this - ShadowRun has a modkit and is out on the third party engine Unity). The question is "do we pay more to create everything in house, even if it results in the end quality of our games possibly being less than what they could be in order to supply a toolkit?" 

 

For some developers, the answer is "yes" without a doubt and then they work to overcome technical hurdles to deliver a great product, like CDPR and Bethesda. But outside those two, the number of developers who have both the resources and the desire to focus on mods to the (again, possible) detriment of the base product is nearly non-existent.



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I'm wondering about the new companions we're gonna meet. Can we bring more then one this time

 

The guy shown in the xbox gameplay is likely to be a companion I'd say. There's also some concept art of a girl that looks like she might be a companion. I'd also say it's likely we'll get a companion from the BoS.

 

I think it's possible we'll see returning characters too, both Madison Lee, and Desmond (the ghoul from point lookout) said they were headed to the institute. Part of Lyon's original task was to meet up with the BoS in Chicago, but he wasn't able to find them, so he continued on to the CW. Midwestern BoS is the BoS in Boston judging from their emblem, which is the inverted version of the normal BoS emblem. So I think it's a semi long shot that we might also see a BoS member from the CW show up. Likely Sarah since she was the main one you interacted with.



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I'm wondering about the new companions we're gonna meet. Can we bring more then one this time

Well there is the dog and Codsworth the Mr handy thingy. Also in the trailer at one point when he is fighting super mutants, you can see a super mutant as his side firing at the same enemies. So i am guessing a super mutant companion. I am pretty sure they are gonna do the old system. One companion + the dog or a robot. So 2 max. I would be ok with that. 



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going from that poster i say you get a BoS and the guy from the Minuit Men. Codsworth is a Maybe due to him being a Houshold Mr Handy as opposed to a Mr Gutsy. you have had a Supermutant and Ghoul companion in both games so far i doupt they will drop that trend i want a female Ghoul this time though.what id like is a Female Ghoul, Male BoS and a Sentrybot.



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After spending time on the Fallout 4 forum. I am abit shocked. I thought it would be abit more mature, but it is just filled with alot of whining. :/

 

I'm assuming that was the Bethesda forums?

 

I actually found it worse than this forums...and that's saying something...

 

I just can't envision that. I'm hardly a representative of my region in terms of my likes, ideals or behaviors, but not knowing (or even worse, knowing and not LIKING) Johnny Cash is pretty much fightin' words.

 

I like the tune to most of Cash's songs, but not the actual lyrics. 

 

That's usually my approach to music in general though.

 

That I'll disagree with.

 

I'm sure Johnny would too.. I liked that he was a good ole boy type, but still had this dark side that recognized the worth in some unlikely artists. He did a good Danzig cover too (actually Danzig wrote Thirteen for Cash first, but still performs it his own way).

 

My first exposure to Johnny Cash was when I was a kid watching Columbo reruns. He played a really dark version of himself in the episode he guest starred in.



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Yup. but to be honest ive been a Johnny Cash fan since i was a kid.

and yeah the Bethesda forum is as bad as this one.

i had a argumend with a feminist telling every one they need to take gender studies course if they want to play a Female ect.



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i had a argumend with a feminist telling every one they need to take gender studies course if they want to play a Female ect.

 

fookin wot m8



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going from that poster i say you get a BoS and the guy from the Minuit Men. Codsworth is a Maybe due to him being a Houshold Mr Handy as opposed to a Mr Gutsy. you have had a Supermutant and Ghoul companion in both games so far i doupt they will drop that trend i want a female Ghoul this time though.what id like is a Female Ghoul, Male BoS and a Sentrybot.


I wonder what would cause a MBoS to follow the Sole Survivor. A mutual objective, perhaps? Or initiation into the Midwestern BoS by the main character? As for companions, I wouldn't be surprised if we get an android companion.

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I'm curious as to whether the Minutemen are aligned with the Institute or are they Boston's version of the Peace Keepers? Either way, they sure do have some snazzy looking outfits. I'm keen on getting one of their colonial swashbuckling outfits for my vault dweller.
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I just checked the wiki, it seems there a mercenary company for hire?
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#1625
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@ Chuvvy

It was a load of bollocks about how we are an oppreseb minority and only the appocalyps could free us from our patriarchal shackles.

Yeah most of this was over PM but it was funny as feck.