I think in this continuity Canada actually got annexed? I recall power armor troops got sent to Toronto to put down protesters.
Yes it was, the US wanted a more united force to fight the Chinese. There was some guerrilla resistance, but I don't think it amounted to anything.
Joshua Graham's gun: "A Light Shining in the Darkness"
That also pretty much how that scene went.
Damn those Americans almost having an entire continent to themselves.
I wonder what happened to Canada.
I think in this continuity Canada actually got annexed? I recall power armor troops got sent to Toronto to put down protesters.
Yes it was, the US wanted a more united force to fight the Chinese. There was some guerrilla resistance, but I don't think it amounted to anything.
"Our dedicated boys keep peace in newly annexed Canada!"
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so here's something I saw while I was looking at the f4 forums on bethforum, there are a few people who want to see some signs of a Canadian resistance... which to me would make absolutely no sense, after all its taking place in Boston... which is near the coast and not the Canadian border, unless it up and walked their while I was looking.
Thats Canadarian. lol yeah id like that too they turned up afew times in Fallout 3.
ymir in pardise falls and the gang after the Nuka Clear recipie.
Isn't the protagonist an retired soldier? Makes you wonder why he was an grunt rather then an scientist with that level of intelect.
I for one will wait and see. I will build him as an average Joe. I think the events of the game will shape who he is. He will either stay as an nice and loving family man from before the war or the wasteland will lead him to an path of cruelty and indifference. Depends on how badly the storyline will screw the protagonist.
from what i recall there was a mandatory inlistment before the Greatwar so likely the militery service was nonoptional.
with Females filling up the ranks due to the population loss thanks to the new plague.
Here's where I'm confused with the divergence. I thought the Great War was caused in part by oil getting used up. But if the society is atomic, would that matter?
A couple things:
First, not all of society was atomic, or could afford to be. Pre-war US was a place of extremes: it seemed nice if you could afford it, but the robotics revolution was simultaneously driving a lot of people out of work. (See: The Pitt and the Union-busting robots.) Even for the US, oil was important. A lot of the tensions in the pre-war US were as much social as anything else.
Two, not all the world was as atomic as the US. The US was a world-leader in atomic energy, by most accounts- possibly an extension of the insularity that defines the Fallout-verse pre-war US. But there was already a global energy crisis, even as the US was putting nuclear engines in cars, and Europe was fighting in the Middle East for oil, so it's pretty safe to assume that most places in the world were even worse off, less atomic, and more dependent on the dwindling oil.
The Big MT and FNV really hits that the pre-war US was in sight of solutions to the resource/energy crisis, but not there yet. The Sierra Madre vendors were basically matter repurposers that just needed energy and raw materials to produce finished goods. Nuclear energy could produce the power, but there's solar as well. Even Liberty Prime was just one technical breakthrough away from being a super-powered giant robot. Things were jusst that close.
What really killed the world was that everyone was more determined to not be the only ones to lose. Which is understandable, considering how bad the 'winners' were, but the world was just a few weeks (days, or even hours in the case of Las Vegas) from being far better off and able to recover than it was. But no one wanted to let anyone else 'win' or 'get away with it': European forces left the Middle East when there was nothing left to fight over, but nukes followed back. The US ejected China from Alaska... and then went on to invade Beijing because Reasons, and China wouldn't go down alone. The world turned on itself, everyone nuking everyone else so that there was no one left unnuked who could be the last person standing.
I think in this continuity Canada actually got annexed? I recall power armor troops got sent to Toronto to put down protesters.
Yes it was, the US wanted a more united force to fight the Chinese. There was some guerrilla resistance, but I don't think it amounted to anything.
There's a newspaper building in FO3 in which you can read some articles (pro-US propoganda), and it was referenced in the trailer of... FO2? The Survivalist in Zion also served there when he was in the military.
Basically, the US was using Canada as a land bridge to Alaska and cutting down large amounts of forests to support the war effort. Canada was willing at first, in the 'I'll give you permission since you'd just do it anyway' sort of way, until something changed and the US invaded to remove the possibility of refusal. Most distinguishing thing I can think of is that power armor was used in the occupation, and I think(?) there were fliers for Americans to try and settle in Canada?
I've mused a few times about a Canada-based Fallout. Wouldn't be that different from south of the Border (which is to say- the nation is the backstory, not the current identity), but I did think it'd be amusing to have two Vaults still fighting the war between themselves. One Vault being a Vault overran by Canadian resistance fighters before the bomb fell, leading to a hypernationalist uber-Canuck vault after the Canadian resistance overwhelmed and ruled over the American civilians inside. The other Vault, hypernationalist uber-American, would turn out to be a Vault where the experiment was on if Canadian civilians could be indoctrinated into Americans. So you'd have a vault of former Canadians who think of themselves as Americans, and a vault of former Americans who think of themselves as Canadian, and all the outsiders and local tribals look at them and wonder why anyone gives a ****, if anyone even knows what 'America' and 'Canada' even were.
The situation wasn't that good thought, as they suffered from an plague that killed over 200 thousand people. An plague created by the goverment that got loose after some chinese spies stole it. They also suffered serious food shortage due to Mexico not producing enough of it anymore. Still, they were barely keeping together, unlike most other nations. When you think about it, the nuclear war doesn't feel that much of an game changer anymore. Everything was pretty much destroyed even before the bombs fell.
I really meant organized religion BEFORE the bombs fell. There's not really any reference to it existing in the pre-war world. Sure, remnants of it remain, but remants of Norse mythology remain as well. If an Apcalypse happened today and people began worshipping Thor, that still wouldn't make Norse mythos a viable religion today before the Apocalypse.Etched in Greek: "And the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not." Badass pistol...with a little hardcore religion reference thrown in for swag.
Daniel was also Mormon missionary sent to Zion to convert willing tribals by Bishop Mordecai. Daniel also hails from New Canaan which was founded by post-war Mormons in 2235.
Yes, there are loons like the Church of Atom and such, but there also is a real, honest to goodness Church in Rivet City in FO3.
Not to mention, we all know that Joshua Graham is the baddest mother--- in Zion valley...and he certainly fears not. Now there's the real religious reference.
I'm making light really, but religion, organized or disorganized, is still present in the wastes...it's just lightly referenced, I sense, to add a little atmosphere, without offending anyone's sensibilities about such things.
I really meant organized religion BEFORE the bombs fell. There's not really any reference to it existing in the pre-war world. Sure, remnants of it remain, but remants of Norse mythology remain as well. If an Apcalypse happened today and people began worshipping Thor, that still wouldn't make Norse mythos a viable religion today before the Apocalypse.
I'm pretty sure it still existed. I suppose it just didn't had the same deal of influence as it has in our world. As the fallout world cares very little about religious teachings, and it's all about science, politics and paranoia.
But if you consider that the Fallout world never moved past the 50's, it was an time were religious belief was pretty strong amongst society.
so here's something I saw while I was looking at the f4 forums on bethforum, there are a few people who want to see some signs of a Canadian resistance... which to me would make absolutely no sense, after all its taking place in Boston... which is near the coast and not the Canadian border, unless it up and walked their while I was looking.
And why would there be a Canadian resistance after the Great War? Much like America is done, so too would be Canada (assuming it had vaults, etc.).
so here's something I saw while I was looking at the f4 forums on bethforum, there are a few people who want to see some signs of a Canadian resistance... which to me would make absolutely no sense, after all its taking place in Boston... which is near the coast and not the Canadian border, unless it up and walked their while I was looking.
Why would there even be a "Canadian resistance"? It's not like there's a U.S. anymore.
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And why would there be a Canadian resistance after the Great War? Much like America is done, so too would be Canada (assuming it had vaults, etc.).
I could see it, in the sense of a guerilla movement that survived and turned into tribalism. They might not be too clear on who 'the Americans' even are, but so what? It'd make a better rationalization for a raider faction than what we get in D.C.
They'd be as Canadian as the Enclave is American- which is to say in name only.
I really meant organized religion BEFORE the bombs fell. There's not really any reference to it existing in the pre-war world. Sure, remnants of it remain, but remants of Norse mythology remain as well. If an Apcalypse happened today and people began worshipping Thor, that still wouldn't make Norse mythos a viable religion today before the Apocalypse.
Well it's not like there's a lot of details known about the pre-War world.
And why would there be a Canadian resistance after the Great War? Much like America is done, so too would be Canada (assuming it had vaults, etc.).
Well it's not like there's a lot of details known about the pre-War world.
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Would be cool to see some churches actually. Boston has a lot of old ones.
Yes, but we've wandered through the cities of the pre-war remnants. No churches, no temples, no synogauges, no cathedrals... nothing is left of the old war to even suggest religion was even NEARLY as large of a player in the pre-war FO universe as it was in ours.
It's very probably a choice that has started since the first Fallout, not to include any pre-existing strong religious reference. Its fitness it's debatable, honestly I would have preferred some reference like travelling monks/priests or something resembling the catacombs of the old persecutory Roman Empire. Synagogues, mosques etc. would have been fine, since Fallout history that shares with us stops I think at '50-'60, and that was a cold war even for religion.
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Actually, I could've sworn there was an old country church in FO3... where some mutants had some people in cages.
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There are tons of Churches around the countryside of FO3. In fact, some are in the PipBoy map.
There are tons of Churches around the countryside of FO3. In fact, some are in the PipBoy map.
There's also a lot of things we'd expect to see that we don't see in the Fallout stories regardless. We see lots of office buildings, but very few shipping/logistics centers. We see cars, but not car dealerships. We see the occasional farm, but not pre-war farms and nowhere near enough to support the setting's populace. We find alcohol and guns practically everywhere, but almost never see pre-war gun or liqour shops.
Trying to extrapolate pre-Great War culture in the fallout setting by the buildings we get in the game is kind of silly at best- and that's when you're not ignoring what is there.
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There are tons of Churches around the countryside of FO3. In fact, some are in the PipBoy map.
I don't even remember. I don't know why that one stuck out to me. It might've been my first fight against super mutants. 
Actually, I could've sworn there was an old country church in FO3... where some mutants had some people in cages.
edit: http://vignette3.wik...=20120420190206
That's it.
So Bioware finally has a rival to their formula? Now let's see if Bethesda add in cringy romances too...(although with Bethesda's past record of writing, the romances would no doubt be a lot worst).
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