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Like I said somewhere earlier, they should focus exclusively on the female for trailers. And on the box. I want to see how it makes a big difference. I don't think it will, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. Lets see it boost the number of "FemProtagonist" playthroughs from 18% to 50%.

 

What I find funny about all of this is the manner of power people perceive in advertising.

Yep, nowadays people don't trust marketing. Marketing makes games look great and epic but end up being broken messes or crappy games. I started playing Mass effect because I heard a lot of it from other people in Youtube. I saw gameplay videos and it looked awesome, and being a fan of sci-fi I just had to buy it. I did not bought it because there was a white dude in the cover or because of the CGI trailers.



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I wonder how many of the FemSheps were made by the "I don't want to stare at a dude's ass for 30 hours" or "lezz it up with Liara" male gamers.

 

Or because their prefer Hale's performance over Meer's. The voice over work is the main reason why I make a male or female protag.



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Or because their prefer Hale's performance over Meer's. The voice over work is the main reason why I make a male or female protag.

 

How would a first time player know about the Hale versus Meer performance? You overestimate the thought process of many Mass Effect gamers. Not all of them are like us, visit the forums and debate on topics such as which voice actor does the better performance. There are many casual gamers who would go into a game like this and DO go with the "I will go with a female cause I want to make her look hott which would make it more interesting for me to play".

 

I am even guilty of this at times as I would rather play as a female character, make her look as sexy as possible and then jump into a game and play a sexy heroine. Also lets not throw out the fact that many dude gamers also like to create female Shepards because they hear that there is this blue alien chick that can have sex with the female main character so the dude gamer plays with the female Shepard character for the lulz essentially. Again, I am guilty of this as my VERY first female Shepard back with Mass Effect 1 romanced Liara (Male Shepard romanced Ashely on first playthrough) and I thought it was the coolest/most interesting playthrough because I got to play with two "lesbians" and we all know how us men can get in terms of two sexy looking women kissing each other.



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How would a first time player know about the Hale versus Meer performance? You overestimate the thought process of many Mass Effect gamers. Not all of them are like us, visit the forums and debate on topics such as which voice actor does the better performance. There are many casual gamers who would go into a game like this and DO go with the "I will go with a female cause I want to make her look hott which would make it more interesting for me to play".

 

A first time player would know the exact same way I do know: playing the game about 5-10 minutes with a character and restarting to try something else to see if the other choices are better. I don't base my choices over what the BSN thinks, beside I never said it was the only way to select the protag gender, just that it was a another possibility.


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A first time player would know the exact same way I do know: playing the game about 5-10 minutes with a character and restarting to try something else to see if the other choices are better. I don't base my choices over what the BSN thinks, beside I never said it was the only way to select the protag gender, just that it was a another possibility.


I doubt the average dudebro casual gamer is going to create a character and then say "Hm, I wonder what the other voice sounds like? I am going to restart to see the other gender's voice!"

Again, overestimating the sophistication of the casual gamer.
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I wonder how many of the FemSheps were made by the "I don't want to stare at a dude's ass for 30 hours" or "lezz it up with Liara" male gamers.

 

I wonder who came up with that staring at the PC's ass thing, because when the heck have we ever been able to see an ass in gameplay anyway? I guess in ME1 with the tactical leotards and what seem to be cheek panels. 



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I doubt the average dudebro casual gamer is going to create a character and then say "Hm, I wonder what the other voice sounds like? I am going to restart to see the other gender's voice!"

Again, overestimating the sophistication of the casual gamer.

 

I wouldn't say sophistication. I'd say a lack of patience. 

 

Another reason why I think they should focus on Bro-Prog is that, for ME1 and ME2, they already put a human female on the box. The other one on the box was a man, but an alien. With ME3, the protagonist was already iconic (at least DudeShep was). 

 

One thing to consider: Who else will be on the box. If it's a human female, or an asari (since they look very feminine), then it should be male. If it's a human male, then it should be a female. If they stick to non humanoid looking aliens, they should pick the one that will get the best sales. 



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I've been hearing that "staring at the ass" excuse for years. I don't understand it..



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I wonder who came up with that staring at the PC's ass thing, because when the heck have we ever been able to see an ass in gameplay anyway? I guess in ME1 with the tactical leotards and what seem to be cheek panels. 

 

It was probably the person who came up with the Batman and Robin costumes



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It was probably the person who came up with the Batman and Robin costumes

 

Ah, the classic scene:

 

 

I can just imagine Batman turning to Alfred and saying: ​Feels like I'm wearin' nothing at all! 


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I had my own aversion to seeing "male ass" when I was in junior high/high school sports.. then you had to take showers with other dudes. lol.. Not my thing. I ended up just stinking like sweat. 

 

But video games? 



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I wonder who came up with that staring at the PC's ass thing, because when the heck have we ever been able to see an ass in gameplay anyway? I guess in ME1 with the tactical leotards and what seem to be cheek panels. 

I imagine some guys feel the need to 'justify' their interest in playing a female character, for some reason. Instead of just being like "I enjoy playing a female character, who cares?"


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I've been hearing that "staring at the ass" excuse for years. I don't understand it..

As adolescent as it may sound, many male gamers choose to play with female characters in videogames not cause they are uber progressive and want to experience another perspective outside of their own, but cause they want to stare at a sexy avatar while playing.

I know that I have been that way at times with Bioware games which is why I like to make my female characters as attractive as I can get while when making male characters I dont care how attractive they are, I just want him to look "cool" or mean looking.

I have even heard a few females from time to time say that when making male characters, they make them physically attractive to their "type" because it is appeasing to the eyes when watching cutscenes.

For some reason this reasoning seems to annoy people as some want to simply believe that we ALL play opposite sexes in videogames cause we want to see other perspectives. While that may be true for some gamers, there are other gamers who do so for other reasons like I explained above. Why is this so hard to accept? Why cant you just accept the fact that not ALL male gamers play female characters in Bioware games out of some ideal of wanting to experience another perspective, but rather for aesthetic reasons? Or it could be both. Either way, why does it matter?

A third reasoning is that some men like to see a female "kick butt" which plays into another theory. Again, I enjoy playing as the heroine in Mass Effect at times not for the different perspective or "sexy butt" but because I like to see a female be dominant, unyielding, and a total badazz on screen. This is why I found my female renegade Shepards more enjoyable than my male renegade Shepards.

I buy Order 1886 cause of the visuals and you buy it for the story and James buys it for the combat/gameplay. In the end, we all enjoy the game so why does it matter "why" we enjoyed it?

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For some reason this reasoning seems to annoy people as some want to simply believe that we ALL play opposite sexes in videogames cause we want to see other perspectives. While that may be true for some gamers, there are other gamers who do so for other reasons like I explained above. Why is this so hard to accept? Why cant you just accept the fact that not ALL male gamers play female characters in Bioware games out of some ideal of wanting to experience another perspective, but rather for aesthetic reasons? Or it could be both. Either way, why does it matter?

 

I accept it fine. I play female characters from time to time too. I just don't understand that particular rationalization. How could staring at a video game avatar bother someone that much. That pretty much takes out almost all third person games without a character creator.

 

I don't know. It's easier to just say you like something and leave it at that. No excuses necessary.



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Most of those actresses are completely unconvincing in actiony, ass-kicker roles. Aside from highly stylized things like Aeon Flux, Guardians of the Galaxy and Resident Evil none of them have convincingly played ass-kickers. Ripley wasn't out there murdering aliens like it was her job, she was a survivor who stepped up when she had to to get it done, like using a mech suit to fight the Queen. Imperator Furiosa wasn't kicking any War Boys' ****s in like a freakin' superhero, she was out-driving them and shooting them from a distance. Black Widow isn't taking on Ultron or one of those huge flying aliens like the Hulk because she's not capable of that, so she takes out the grunts.

lol sure, driving around and shooting from far away is precisely how Furiosa gets in Immortal Joe's face and rips his jaw off. :lol:
Black Widow doesn't have super powers. If there were a Justice League movie, Batman wouldn't exactly be doing the same tasks as Superman, not because he's a sissy girl, but because he doesn't have an impervious skeleton with superhuman strength and laser beams coming out of his butt.

 

Yes, had I known that the ME series had a gender choice sooner, it would have affected my purchase.  I would have been less likely to treat it as a space marine clone, and instead a game on more of it's own merits.  A big reason is because much pretty all of those "Space Marine" shooters don't offer a gender choice or have a female lead character (outside of a few characters like Samus,) especially back about 3 years ago.  Just that knowledge would have gotten me to at least try ME1 a lot sooner than I did.

I completely agree with this. The way I see it, the female demographic has always been an untapped market for video games, mostly because companies made little to no attempt at making games be understood as more than mindless entertainment catered to sausage fests.

This is my experience with how much of a difference marketing can make when it comes to games, and how the laziness/complacency of conventional video game marketing has left me ignorant of how awesome video games can be for too many years.

I never got into video games when I was young, because like most chicks, I was under the impression they were all about blood, guts, gore, mindless shooting, and illogically dressed busty women thrown in here and there. Simple entertainment for simple minds. This stubborn mindset only changed when I discovered Lord of the rings in my teens. The movies first came out when I was a really young kid and the trailers made me think it was another dumb action movie and I wasn't old enough to do my own research on the internet. Obviously, getting to watch the movies flipped my world upside down and it was one of those things that taught me to keep a more open mind about entertainment.

I picked up Guild Wars 1, my first video game, at the recommendation of some friends who told me all the cool interesting things you can do. I was blown away by how much I could customize my character in my own ideal female image, to whom I became very attached and immersed myself in, as well as all the game had to offer in story, lore, and gameplay. Throughout high school most of my friends were non-gaming females, so Guild Wars was all I knew, and I became convinved I wouldn't like any other game. Its competitors were things like WoW which was stylized as if it were a cartoon show for little boys and I knew how infamously toxic the community was. Although mostly friendly, the GW community eventually showed me how unfriendly the gaming community can be specifically to female players. It was enough to discourage me from really immersing myself in gaming culture for years.

After beating all Guild Wars expansions I got bored, had nothing to play, went to college, and lost touch of all things gaming. That changed when I discovered tumblr, and saw that a comedian I followed was obsessed with reblogging gifs Isabela. I rolled my eyes, because she looked like such a stereotypical video game bimbo (of course I regret those thoughts now lol!) But then I started seeing gifs of Isabela and Fenris, and I was like, WOAH woah...who is this hot elf??? This was literally the first time I ever saw a video game character that was hot to me as a chick.

And then there were all of these gifs of Izzy and other companions having the most interesting/witty, sometimes touching, dialogue, way more interesting than anything I saw in Guild Wars and I was so intrigued. That brought me to playing Dragon Age 2 and over the next few years that brought my world upside down again as I discovered the wonderful world of Bioware and became so attached to the protagonists I made in my image and the experiences delivered by those games

Upon discovering Bioware, I kind of dug myself a rut again. Assumed I could only like Bioware games, just 'cause. I felt like I was too spoiled for having spent years only playing as female protagonists, and couldn't change from that immersive experience. I had a friend in who recommended Saints Row to me at some point. I immediately shrugged it off, assumed it was a Grand Theft copy cat. Wasn't interested in driving over hookers. But then I decided to research it, and when I learned I could play an asian female I was like WOAH woah woah full stop. I can be a chick, and actually make her look like me? Holy sh**!!!! And all of these reviews say it's fun, hilarious, tongue in cheek. What can go wrong? I bought SR3 and 4 immediately and LOVED it. Of course, this made me even more open minded to video games. Open minded as in that I can't base my judgement on the first impressions I get from conventional video game marketing. From the outside, video game culture has painted itself to be a 'boys' world' that only cares about blood, fast cars, and bewbz. Which is a shame really. Video games to me have become art that can easily be enjoyed by both sexes. Action and adventure is not exclusive to dudes.

After seeing Mad Max, I went on tumblr to look at fan art. I came across a personal post from a young woman was saying how she tried to convincea group of middle aged women to watch the movie. She was prepared to make a long, flowery intellectual speech about why it was such a frickin cool movie, but her first words were something like '"one of the main characters is a woman, and she isn't sexualized-" and after just saying that, the women were uber gungho to watch it. Mind you, they were just middle aged moms, not hipstery 20 somethings obsessed with preaching feminism (not that teaching feminism is a bad thing, but you know what I'm saying). Apparently they all loved it, and one of them loved it so much she took her teen daughter to watch it again. It only took a simple matter of fact to change their minds about an action flick. There was a compelling female lead who was not sexualized. Gee whiz!

What my personal foray into games has made me believe is that women never had to be excluded from video game marketing. They just were, the first games ever were essentially button mashing and told the story of Mario saving the princess, and advertisements came with imagery of little boys going wow over explosions and crap. I don't think it takes a 180 to show the world that video games are not limited to being a boy's world, especially today given how sophisticated it has become. The things that got me into it are female protagonists/characters, action, adventure, compelling NPCs and storytelling, and occasionally hot guys (thank you Fenris lol). I just didn't know I can enjoy and find these things in video games, but I just wasn't taught better. Like most young girls I was brainwashed that they had cooties lol.

Sure certain products are there are marketed differently via different sexes, but those are just products. Video games are about delivering an experience, and when did that have to be marketed with a specific sex in mind? The most remarkable TV shows and films don't cater themselves to a single sex, they just deliver a solid, entertaining experience and achieve success through sharing it. I think video games should also pursue this sort of gender-neutral promise. They culture spent too many years dressing itself male, and it sucks. When I tell my non-gaming female friends about video games, they crinkle their noses as if it has cooties, and I feel like its their long-ingrained schoolgirl instincts telling them to go 'yuck' at a boys' hobby. They just don't know any better, and it's not their fault.


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I don't really care what gender protaginist they decide to market since I will just alternate between them from playthrough to playthrough anyway.  I just remember when I was watching demo videos for DAI on youtube when they were starting to market that game the knuckleheads in the comments sections of those videos were scared that the game wasn't going to let them play as a straight male just because the pc in the demo was female.  I really got to stop reading comments sections of youtube videos the amount of stupid just makes my head hurt.


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I don't really care what gender protaginist they decide to market since I will just alternate between them from playthrough to playthrough anyway.  I just remember when I was watching demo videos for DAI on youtube when they were starting to market that game the knuckleheads in the comments sections of those videos were scared that the game wasn't going to let them play as a straight male just because the pc in the demo was female.  I really got to stop reading comments sections of youtube videos the amount of stupid just makes my head hurt.

 

Yeah, don't even bother. You could find a video on knitting, and there'd be a flame war on youtube about it.


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I accept it fine. I play female characters from time to time too. I just don't understand that particular rationalization. How could staring at a video game avatar bother someone that much. That pretty much takes out almost all third person games without a character creator.

I don't know. It's easier to just say you like something and leave it at that. No excuses necessary.


How is it an excuse to say I like to play as female characters cause they are more visually appealing?

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How is it an excuse to say I like to play as female characters cause they are more visually appealing?

You mean that it is the same thing to play as this thing....

Spoiler

... than default Shepard? You'll play as that thing any day without hesitation, I guess?


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Man, with a mug like that, why the reapers even try?

 

Though, I imagine people play like that as more of a joke, especially now in Inquisition, since the CC allows us to make some straight up freaks on wheels. 


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You mean that it is the same thing to play as this thing....

Spoiler

... than default Shepard? You'll play as that thing any day without hesitation, I guess?

I said I like to play as female characters in Bioware games cause they are visually appealing and that I make them as attractive as I can so watching cutscenes are more enjoyable.

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I said I like to play as female characters in Bioware games cause they are visually appealing and that I make them as attractive as I can so watching cutscenes are more enjoyable.

Whoops, you're right. Somehow I read/understood that you were saying that it was an excuse. Sorry for that! 



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The insecurity...... is painfully obvious. :D
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Jeez , it is a videogame. Why would you even want to stare at some pixel ass? People these days.  I dont know about you guys, but when I play I dont really stare at my character ass. Not even if it a male. -_-


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Why would you even want to stare at some pixel ass? People these days

 

I always wondered that myself, but then games like Blade & Soul exist and I get a bit scared of finding the answer...