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[themikefest]

Then who goes on the front cover?

No one.

 

Put the ship that will be used in the game on the cover

[Iakus]

No one.

 

Put the ship that will be used in the game on the cover

Or the new Mako.

 

Or a couple of companion characters.

 

Or a major villain.

 

Or a mass relay.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Or the new Mako.

 

Or a couple of companion characters.

 

Or a major villain.

 

Or a mass relay.

I was going to post pretty much this. Put in the villain (like both Fa Cry 3 and 4 do) and a few of your squadmates. Maybe a shot of your ship or some awesome planets, I don't know.

[themikefest]

Hmm...

The idea of a female being the greatest warrior in the galaxy was pretty absurd. This is why femshep is non-canon. She'd always be weaker, slower and less logical than a male counterpart. Plus she'd be moody and even more emotional than normal during her time of the month. This is why you don't see female generals in leadership positions of combat forces. But since this game is supposedly about exploration and the protagonist is not this super badass I guess a female would be OK.

You're welcome.

Really? So every male out there can do everything femshep does better?

 

Do you have something against women serving in the military? Or even in a leadership role?

 

If a woman meets the requirements to serve on the front line, would that bother you? If a female does meet the requirements and has the same training as you, would you have a problem fighting beside her on the front line?

 

I would not be surprised if in 165 years there will be a lot more women in combat roles and high ranking leadership roles.

 

There have been women that have made it to the rank of Admiral or General

[GalacticWolf5]

The Twilight God was obviously trolling/joking.

[Torgette]

I was going to post pretty much this. Put in the villain (like both Fa Cry 3 and 4 do) and a few of your squadmates. Maybe a shot of your ship or some awesome planets, I don't know.

 

Do a sean connery and have the Villian's head REALLY huge (and sometimes shown twice) and the protagonist really tiny. 

[themikefest]

Women have an easier time attaining leadership roles than going to the front lines. And it isn't the military's fault.. they're trying as we speak. It's females that are failing the training.... and that's if they themselves want to volunteer for the challenge. Many don't care to. A small fraction signed up for Infantry Training Battalion, and some have been passing that for the past few years. The best of that bunch went to Infantry Officer training and none have passed. Some have been hurt by it. Now some people want them to lower their standards (except these soldiers themselves... who know that the "mission comes first". You don't lower the strength of your army for individual career advancement).

I would not lower the standards. I would tell the women who want to be in combat to keep at it. Don't let one failure stop you. 

 

As I was taught in the military, mind over matter. I've seen men have problems and not make it for various reasons.

[N7recruit]

It will be the whitest white man possible, he will have facial hair, look slightly pissed off & be holding a gun posing like a n00b trying to look tough while simultaneously oppressing POC gamers through his (& Bioware's) unchecked privilege.

 

Or a "Gender Neutral" person covered head to toe in armour with their back facing us will be on the box. 

[Han Shot First]

It will be the whitest white man possible, he will have facial hair, look slightly pissed off & be holding a gun posing like a n00b trying to look tough while simultaneously oppressing POC gamers through his (& Bioware's) unchecked privilege.

 

 

The Tumblr is strong with this one.

[Iakus]

It will be the whitest white man possible, 

 

 

Is that the hero or the villain?  

[Majestic Jazz]

Really? So every male out there can do everything femshep does better?

 

Do you have something against women serving in the military? Or even in a leadership role?

 

If a woman meets the requirements to serve on the front line, would that bother you? If a female does meet the requirements and has the same training as you, would you have a problem fighting beside her on the front line?

 

I would not be surprised if in 165 years there will be a lot more women in combat roles and high ranking leadership roles.

 

There have been women that have made it to the rank of Admiral or General

 

I wanted to avoid this topic but since you brought it up, I have to reply.

 

First off, do you or have you served in the military? Have you served in a combat arms MOS (Job specialty). I have served two years in the Army and got out in January to pursue my MBA. Next December I will commission and come back into the Army as an officer (2nd Lieutenant). I know what it is like to be in a combat arms job and it isn't easy. This arguement that if women can do in then they should be allowed to does not understand the full scope.

 

Often times in a deployed enviornment a soldier (infantry) is required to conduct pressense patrols on foot for up to 30 miles, many times carrying a 100+ lb rucksack that stores food, a sleeping system, extra clothes, radios, batteries for the radios, extra ammunition etc and that is JUST your rucksack. You still wear a vest called a Load Bearing Vest or LBV which ALSO carries a radio, ammunition which can sometimes be up to 15-20 pounds. THEN you still have your rifle which most likely is a M4. So in total, you are rucking with what sometimes can be up to 150lbs......in the heat......for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles at a time at a VERY steady pace. 

 

Some men are stronger than others but in the end, we all keep up with others in the platoon/squad when it comes to conducting patrols. With that being said, even the strongest women can out "out physical" the strongest men and believe men, men in infantry are not weak. Some of the best of the best and this is just infantry, not other areas such as the Rangers and Special Forces (Green Berets) which is on another level of tough. So on these patrols, given the fact that not only a women has to carry this 150lb+ load, but they have to do it at the same pace as the men. What would a Platoon Leader or Platoon Sergeant think if they had to slow down their pace because the female(s) in the platoon cannot keep up at their pace which is really fast. How do you think this will affect morale within the platoon? Again, unless you served in a combat arms platoon (Army or Marines) you will never know. You just go by what you see in the "movies" or what you hear female politicians say. Believe me, it isn't an easy life and THEN you have to think about hygiene factors. We men often live "outside the wire" (which means outside of our protective base) for upwards to 30 days! Basically living out of our rucksack, not shaving, not showering for 30 days! Having to basically dig a hole to poopoo in (yeah, I said it) and by day 5 or 6, we stink! We smell! and we smell like our own poo and we smell our platoon mates's poo smelly clothes. Again, these are details that you don't experience in the movies or videogames but they are there. Also despite our bad hygiene, we don't care, we often laugh it off and make jokes about it. Now like I said, this is just day 5-6, imagine day 25 after 3 weeks of doing patrolls in the Afghan heat without showering! Then you add in the equation of a female being in that and having to bear the bad hygiene with the men. Finally, you have the situation where men would naturally want to help out the female. Imagine being in a firefight and two soldiers get badly wounded. One the male soldier needs critical care while the female soldier requires attention but not nearly as bad as the male soldier. I have seen it many of times going all the way back to basic training in our training scenarios where a female is told to lay down and pretend that she is shot as well as other soldiers and the males all the time, if not naturally goes to the female to treat her, even if her wounds aren't as severe. This was another debate that has been brought up.

 

I mean I can go on and on about this because I have first hand experience. Believe me, there are a lot of tough female soldiers and Marines serving and I am all for women reaching for the stars, but at some point there has to be a line. If women were so physically equal to men, then why not allow women to compete against men in Olympic Track & Field? Why not allow women to compete against men in MMA or Boxing? See my point? I mean the Female 100m dash World Record is 10.49 seconds and guess what? There are college males that run that time like a piece of cake. Hell, there are many High School males that can run that time and yet for a female, that is such a DIFFICULT time to achieve. So again, at what point do we draw the line?

 

Recently the Army ran a pilot for 8 women to attend Ranger School and unfortunately, all 8 of them failed because they couldn't meet the same standards. So again, at what point do we draw the line? How much further do we push this issue? I am all for having a female president (Hillary Clinton), female CEOs, Female Generals and so on. But again, there are limits and we cannot ignore natural genetics. Don't believe me, just go back to the 100m female world record again and how it is considered a world record for a female to run a 10.49 second 100m dash but yet there are many HS kids that do that on the regular. 

[themikefest]

First off, do you or have you served in the military?

Yes. This July will be 24 years since I last wore my uniform
 

Have you served in a combat arms MOS (Job specialty).

Yes. In 1991 during the Gulf War

[Pasquale1234]

Yeah, you know, now that they've actually started integrating women into combat units, they're discovering a lot of the "women can't do X" stuff is so much BS.  There *are* differences.  They're discovering them.  Things like women need to load their packs differently, and situate the straps differently, because if they do it the same way as men, they'll end up with stress fractures in places you really don't want stress fractures (pelvis and hips are not good places for them).  But as those things settle out, the women are doing just fine.  Which makes sense really, given that women have been actively fighting for the last 14 years in Iraq and Afghanistan without much issue.  (Sure, they aren't *assigned* to combat units, but if you think they aren't seeing combat, you haven't been paying attention.)  Since they've been doing the job anyway, it's about time we started giving them the proper training and gear for it.

Excellent points. Pretty much everything in the military has been designed and planned with males in mind; it only makes sense that they would rethink some of that to take better advantage of what females can bring to the table.
 

I don't understand that way of treating women in the army. But again, I guess the military is kinda the last place on Earth to look for empathy....anyway, if it was for me, I'd remove the lower physical requirements for women both to enter and in the training (if there are any...in my country there are for both), and 100% equiparate them with the male ones.

Feminists might complain that it'd be unfair because women are generally weaker than men (YES, they are, it's a natural matter and denying it won't change a thing about that fact), but to that I reply that war is unfair by itself, and that every weak point you show or give to the enemy is something they can exploit. Having that in mind it's normal for anyone not wanting something that might jeopardize their mission, or their lives even. Which leads me to my next point....

Indeed, standards / requirements should be the same for everyone wanting to enter a particular role.

That said, the standards / requirements should be those qualifications needed to ensure proper performance of the role. The problem is, current standards were formulated for males, with the intention of having enough people qualify to meet the military's needs.

Example: they impose a standard requiring applicants to crawl 100 yards with no part of the body rising more than 14" off the ground at any point, and after testing tens of thousands of applicants, find that noone can pass it. They'll scrap that standard, revise it, or find different tactics to accomplish the same goal. What I'm suggesting is that existing standards and tactics were all designed in a way that makes optimal use of what most males can offer.

Consider the styles of the different species in ME; krogan use their blood rage, brute strength, and health regen to be melee monsters, while salarians rely on technology and intel, turians on lifelong military discipline, and asari on infiltration, biotics, and hit-and-run tactics. Each of these species have found ways to field effective militaries based on their own inherent qualities.

I guess what I'm suggesting here is that it could be very beneficial for the military to explore opportunities that would take better advantage of the skills females bring to the table instead of these women beating themselves up trying to meet standards created by and for males.

[N7Jamaican]

If we're not picking the protagonist to be on the cover, then I'd say... Antagonist, mako and the ship.. With 1 human squad mate and one alien squad mate.  Kinda similar to ME1 but without "Shepard" in the middle..

[von uber]

In this thread: lot's of macho posturing, neatly reinforcing a lot of the arguments made for marketing a female

It's funny how on one hand when it comes to say having women who look like models IT'S ONLY A GAMMMEEEEEEE!!!! yet when it comes to portraying women in the military or as a serious protagonist IT'S NOT REALISTIC!!!!1!!1!.

It's almost like people are full of ****.

[Majestic Jazz]

Yes. This July will be 24 years since I last wore my uniform
 

Yes. In 1991 during the Gulf War

 

Thank you for your service. No matter what, threads like this will be irrelevant in a few hours when Mass Effect 4 is revealed and we have something substantial to talk about for the next few weeks.

[themikefest]

Thank you for your service. 

Right back at ya. 

[Kurt M.]

Recently the Army ran a pilot for 8 women to attend Ranger School and unfortunately, all 8 of them failed because they couldn't meet the same standards.

 

Like I said, it's not so much as them failing as they having the door open for that post. Some woman may eventually manage to do it, if she wants it enough, so it's up to them.

 

As (relatively) feminist as I am, I'm also realist. And war is a pretty nasty thing.

 

And I agree....reality sucks, so let's just focus on....ME4!!

[Han Shot First]

I always found the arguments against the existence of an option to have the protagonist be female, or for the inclusion of characters like Ashley, to be somewhat amusing. Lets assume for a moment that every argument against women in combat is a valid concern. I don't believe that to be the case, but I'll play along for a moment. I'd still have to ask...so what? This is a series where you have things like element zero, mass effect physics, biotics, the Lazarus Project, sentient spaces ships created from uploaded minds, mind control, monsters, and mind sex with aliens....and women in combat is where you draw the realism line and fail to suspend disbelief?  

 

[Ledg93]

 

I guess this pic answers the question.

[The Twilight God]

Based on the trailer at E3 it looks like they will be using a gender neutral armored personage.