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[Andrew Lucas]

How is atmospheric entry related to hairstyles??? And last time I checked, it was you trying to prove me wrong with "Because Male Shepard is part of the military, and there's standards to follow, like shaving your head for males." You started with this argument and when I use the game's universe to show you that you're wrong, you give me atmospheric entry... Well, yeah, I indeed don't know what to tell you to that, that's... yeah. Don't know how that's relevant at all. And Shepard's body surviving atmospheric entry, THAT'S a "design flaw". Not the fact that MEU uses different military conventions from real life that are actually very consistent the whole franchise.

I've never said that being bald is not justifiable. I'm saying it's totally nothing new on the male protag market. That has been my point the entire time.

What does the difficulty of making a game model have to do with anything? If that were the case, they would stick Ashley into a regular uniform instead of making a special outfit just for her. But that wasn't the case and you're just making stuff up. Anyway, I was not saying they should do both. I was just saying that by your "there's standards to follow," Ashley would have a bun and not loose hair. That is all. The mod I listed was completely unrelated to what you said. I was talking to Monica, if you didn't notice.

Yet again, the Shadow Broker doesn't have anything to do with anything in this argument. However, while we're at it, I don't believe most men and women could fist-fight that thing. So if femShep couldn't, manShep couldn't, as well. End of the story. Or do you happen to think you could take the Yahg on just because of your oh so strong gender? Don't be ridiculous.

And if you're done pulling absolutely unrelated crap that as nothing to do with our current discussion in futile hope to throw me out of balace out of your ass, I'm done here, as well. I don't have energy to deal with your loops in logic. At this point you're just saying random stuff to save face and that's not worth my time.

Accuracy, Vanilka, accuracy. Accuracy of the hairstyle and how much accuracy the lore has, which is basically nothing. That's not a design flaw, nothing to do with it.

Yes, you said it isn't, because the lore apparently never says anything about it. So, the cover is BS for you and Sheploo apparently remains generic for some unknown reason.

Yup, Male Shepard isn't a thin soldier like FemShep is, he has much more chances to win than her, and I'm not bashing her, I often play as FemShep, but that's just a fact. No need to get bossy.

You quoted me...? If not, my apologies, but my point remains, it's one way or the another, Ash can have long hair, but like you said - it should have been tied up for combat which clearly didn't happen because, probably, they don't desire to be so realistic with the little details as proven before, or they didn't have the time to do it.

Sure, if you can't take the pressure, you can leave now

[Vanilka]

Accuracy, Vanilka, accuracy. Accuracy of the hairstyle and how much accuracy the lore has, which is basically nothing. That's not a design flaw, nothing to do with it.

Yes, you said it isn't, because the lore apparently never says anything about it. So, the cover is BS for you and Sheploo apparently remains generic for some unknown reason.

You quoted me...? If not, my apologies, but my point remains, it's one way or the another, Ash can have long hair, but like you said - it should have been tied up for combat which clearly didn't happen because probably they don't desire to be so realistic with the little details as proven before, or they didn't have the time to do it.

Sure, if you can't take the pressure, you can leave now

 
Lol, pressure? No, I can't take the fact you don't follow our discussion. That honestly does drive me crazy. We talk about hair and appearance and you throw in atmospheric entry and Shadow Broker. That makes no sense.

 

Anyway, we can see how the hairstyles work in the game. We have three games to watch it. The fact that nobody in the game's development bothered to research that a body would actually burn in atmospheric entry and if it managed to hit the ground at all, it would be ripped apart to little pieces and scattered all over the landscape, is something completely different. If we go by that logic, then you might as well start telling me you can shoot a person in the head with a shotgun and it's realistic for them to survive because, hey, the atmospheric entry is not accurate so why anything else should, right?

 

I said that the lore in the game says nothing about N7 appearance. Unlike the Alliance marines who are everywhere and we can see what they wear and what they look like, we don't meet many N7s besides Shepard, Anderson, and Kai Leng. You can count James, but he's just a recruit.

 

But Sheploo does look quite generic and I already explained why. His saving grace is that his face is quite memorable in the game, because it's not like that on the covers. I don't know why you take it so personally, to be honest. I mean, there are other ways to make a male protagonist that doesn't look like many other already existing male protagonists.

 

I quoted some other of your posts probably. I didn't talk about Ashley's "switchable" hair being a necessity. I thought it was a wonderful touch for the mod. And that's all.

[Andrew Lucas]

Lol, pressure? No, I can't take the fact you don't follow our discussion. That honestly does drive me crazy. We talk about hair and appearance and you throw in atmospheric entry and Shadow Broker. That makes no sense.

Anyway, we can see how the hairstyles work in the game. We have three games to watch it. The fact that nobody in the game's development bothered to research that a body would actually burn in atmospheric entry and if it managed to hit the ground at all, it would be ripped apart to little pieces and scattered all over the landscape, is something completely different. If we go by that logic, then you might as well start telling me you can shoot a person in the head and it's realistic for them to survive because, hey, the atmospheric entry is not accurate so why anything else should, right?

I said that the lore in the game says nothing about N7 appearance. Unlike the Alliance marines who are everywhere and we can see what they wear and what they look like, we don't meet many N7s besides Shepard, Anderson, and Kai Leng. You can count James, but he's just a recruit.

But Sheploo does look quite generic and I already explained why. His saving grace is that his face is quite memorable in the game, because it's not like that on the covers. I don't know why you take it so personally, to be honest. I mean, there are other ways to make a male protagonist that doesn't look like many other already existing male protagonists.

I quoted some other of your posts probably. I didn't talk about Ashley's "switchable" hair being a necessity. I thought it was a wonderful touch for the mod. And that's all.

Those were examples, often used in discussions to reinforce a point, but if you think they're stupid and whatever, that's fine, I won't bury them down your throat if you can't understand or disagrees about their validity.

Well, there's people who got shot in the head and survived, but okay lol. Didn't get that.

And since the lore doesn't say anything about it, there's room for the possibility that the program could have some standards to follow, like males getting their heads shaved. It's a possibility, not false or true, that's why my whole point about Shepard not being generic and beind bald can be right since he is military.

His face is obviously based on a real one, Mark Vansomething, you're basically calling someone's face generic, even if the look has it's reason. You think I'm biased towards Male Shepard, when I always say FemShep is a more interesting character, and one badass female protagonist in gaming history, but okay, think what you must. I'm just trying to express why he isn't generic, and the attention that FemShep has gained over the years.

No problem, my mistake.

[Monica21]

Just the first paragraph; oh yes, you're still only bringing ME1 up because that's the game where FemShep is barely mentioned, and you ignore everything that came after for some silly reason. You're still beating your head against the wall, while living in the past, because FemShep has gotten lots of attention since ME2 and you apparently can't find those.

 

The conversation was about the cover art and "bald military rugged dude." That box art exists in ME1 and ME2, not in ME3. So yes, I'm bringing up ME1 and have been this entire conversation. If you want to go back and re-read my posts so that you have some comprehension of what you're arguing against (which you clearly don't) then feel free.

[Andrew Lucas]

What you said was, "if you did your research, you would see Female Shepard featured in many trailers, coverages, interviews and etc." She wasn't though, was she? She wasn't even mentioned, let alone featured. I mean, these are the days when I hung out on RPG websites and there was no mention of a female Shepard in anything I read from posters there or in links to Bioware's site. Zilch. Nada. I was hanging out on the old Obsidian forums playing NWN2 reading people's posts about Mass Effect and didn't see a mention of a female protagonist.

I mean, seriously. Point me to a single, accessible article about ME1 that mentions the option to play as a female protagonist. When I say "accessible" I don't mean "Joe's Blog" I mean an article from a publication or website that would have been widely read in 2008.

Um....? Box art? Where? Monica, are you okay?

BTW, did you check the links????? Yes, not covers.

[Vanilka]

Those were examples, often used in discussions to reinforce a point, but if you think they're stupid and whatever, that's fine, I won't bury them down your throat if you can't understand or disagrees about their validity.

Well, there's people who got shot in the head and survived, but okay lol. Didn't get that.

And since the lore doesn't say anything about it, there's room for the possibility that the program could have some standards to follow, like males getting their heads shaved. It's a possibility, not false or true, that's why my whole point about Shepard not being generic and beind bald can be right since he is military.

His face is obviously based on a real one, Mark Vansomething, you're basically calling someone's face generic, even if the look has it's reason. You think I'm biased towards Male Shepard, when I always said FemShep is more interesting character and one badass in gaming history, but okay, think what you must. I'm just trying to express why he isn't generic, and the attention that FemShep has gained over the years.

No problem, my mistake.

 

It's not that I can't understand. It's just they're simply unrelated and I don't think you can really explain logic in how somebody dresses with broken in-game physics.

 

It doesn't normally happen and that's my point. Like, sure, I could've picked a better example, I agree, Zaeed would kick my ass, but the point is that's not something that normally happens and if we use one event with broken logic to justify another, then the whole story goes to hell.

 

But we don't need lore to justify the Alliance military standards because we can see them with our own eyes. Much like we can see many other things in the game that we don't get explained in the lore. And using the N7 program doesn't really work because then I can also say, for example, that it's a rule for them to tattoo Hackett's name on their buttcheeks. I mean, there's no proof that they don't do that, right? There's no lore that says that they don't. So now every N7, including your Shepard, has Hackett's name tattooed on his butt. Prove me that he doesn't, I dare you.   Seriously now, just kidding. See where I'm coming from, though?

 

No, that's not what I said. Reread it. I just said that he's lucky his face in the game actually looks more memorable. Because the posters look nothing like him. Really. Seriously. Check ME1's, ME2's, and ME3's covers. They KINDA look like him, but the face is different for some reason. Look, he doesn't even have the scar thing on this poster. But, well, femShep's face is also quite different in the game in comparison with the posters. The covers don't reflect them that well, imho.

 

Anyway, let's just agree to disagree. It's obvious that this works differently for both of us and there's no point in trying to persuade each other if it's obviously going nowhere. I'm just asking that you don't simply go and completely dismiss people's experiences just because yours are different. I think we all matter as gamers and fans and whether our opinions matter or not when it comes to the game development is for BioWare to decide if they're reading this. If you don't think Sheploo's face on the covers is generic, then that's great and more power to you. I have to live with thinking the opposite. I think we can live in peace despite that, can't we?

[Monica21]

The whole cover thing is nonsense, when you want to buy something that grabbed a bit of your attention, you do some research, unless you're mind blowing rich and buys whatever that appears right in front of you. Basically every gamer with decent knowledge knows Mass Effect or any Bioware game features a male or female protagonist. And if the "generic" , "rugged" (cause military) and "white guy" *sighs* from a simple box art can keep you away from buying the product, you're just overly nitpicky, but if you did your research, you would see Female Shepard featured in many trailers, coverages, interviews and etc, the same can also be said about Dragon Age. Heck, you can even switch covers in ME3.

Bioware also needs to sell their product so that you can get more content from them in the future, so obviously they need to attend the masses firstly, but with their current strategy, I say they're doing a pretty good job, with the latest trailer made by them having the female Inquisitor as the focus.

 

 

Um....? Box art? Where? Monica, are you okay?

BTW, did you check the links????? Yes, not covers.

 

Box art. Yes, that was in fact the original discussion. I'm fine thank you. Also, not Bioware's "trailers featuring FemShep" that you also claimed existed.

[Monica21]

I think we all matter as gamers and fans and whether our opinions matter or not when it comes to the game development is for BioWare to decide if they're reading this. If you don't think Sheploo's face on the covers is generic, then that's great and more power to you.

 

I think there's a misunderstanding with what "generic" actually means. It doesn't mean "boring." It means that it's comprehensive and all-encompassing. Any gamer who sees a picture of default Shepard is going to know it's Mass Effect. The same is not true of a customized male or female Shepard. You may recognize the background but not the face. So yes, in this sense, your use of the word "generic" is perfectly legitimate.

 

By the way, nailed the bit about experience and thank you. Mass Effect did not hold any appeal for me in 2008 because I didn't know you could play as a female. It's marketing did not appeal to me personally so there was no need or desire to look at other sources outside of official channels. That said, I think all three games are fantastic and wish I had experienced them on release.

Modifié par Monica21, 14 août 2015 - 02:30 .

[Andrew Lucas]

It's not that I can't understand. It's just they're simply unrelated and I don't think you can really explain logic in how somebody dresses with broken in-game physics.

Oooookay....

It doesn't normally happen and that's my point. Like, sure, I could've picked a better example, I agree, Zaeed would kick my ass, but the point is that's not something that normally happens and if we use one event with broken logic to justify another, then the whole story goes to hell.

Tbh, I think the opposite, Zaaed is old, slow and a hothead. FemShep wouldn't get her ass kicked IMO. Anyways, it was about how much Bioware's accuracy is nonexistent, but if it's broken logic to you, fine, moving on...

But we don't need lore to justify the Alliance military standards because we can see them with our own eyes. Much like we can see many other things in the game that we don't get explained in the lore. And using the N7 program doesn't really work because then I can also say, for example, that it's a rule for them to tattoo Hackett's name on their buttcheeks. I mean, there's no proof that they don't do that, right? There's no lore that says that they don't. So now every N7, including your Shepard, has Hackett's name tattooed on his butt. Prove me that he doesn't, I dare you. Seriously now, just kidding. See where I'm coming from, though?

You could say that, it's very unlikely, but I'd use common sense say you'd be wrong, still, I could be wrong and every marine now have Hackett's name tattoed on their asses D: I'm just basing myself with today's military standards, and when Bioware's writers comes and say that there are no hair rules, I would agree with you and say that Default Male Shepard could have been different, even if I prefer him to be bald for the soldier thing vibe.

No, that's not what I said. Reread it. I just said that he's lucky his face in the game actually looks more memorable. Because the posters look nothing like him. Really. Seriously. Check ME1's, ME2's, and ME3's covers. They KINDA look like him, but the face is different for some reason. Look, he doesn't even have the scar thing on this poster. But, well, femShep's face is also quite different in the game in comparison with the posters. The covers don't reflect them that well, imho.

Fair enough. Except for ME1 which is a more cartoonist art, I think the Male Shepard looks the same.

Anyway, let's just agree to disagree. It's obvious that this works differently for both of us and there's no point in trying to persuade each other if it's obviously going nowhere. I'm just asking that you don't simply go and completely dismiss people's experiences just because yours are different. I think we all matter as gamers and fans and whether our opinions matter or not is for BioWare to decide if they're reading this. If you don't think Sheploo's face on the covers is generic, then that's great and more power to you. I have to live with thinking the opposite. I think we can live in peace despite that, can't we?

Of course, but I don't want "power" or whatever else you meant with that, it seems like I'm some male power worshipper. In any case, I respect your thoughts, no disrespect intended.

[Andrew Lucas]

Box art. Yes, that was in fact the original discussion. I'm fine thank you. Also, not Bioware's "trailers featuring FemShep" that you also claimed existed.

Not really, not with you. They do exist, ME3 rings a bell?

[Monica21]

They do exist, ME3 rings a bell?

 

Andrew. That wasn't the discussion. The discussion was about box art featuring a bald male protagonist. Why would ME3 even be in that discussion?

[Andrew Lucas]

Andrew. That wasn't the discussion. The discussion was about box art featuring a bald male protagonist. Why would ME3 even be in that discussion?

No, you kept saying Female Shepard never got properly represented and etc. My very initial post was about MShep's looks not being generic and FemShep's representation in the marketing side, you even asked for ME1 links which informed there's a female protagonist you can play with, since that's the only thing you keep bugging me about.

[Monica21]

No, you kept saying Female Shepard never got properly represented and etc. My very initial post was about MShep's looks not being generic and FemShep's representation in the marketing side, you even asked for ME1 links which informed there's a female protagonist you can play with, since that's the only thing you keep bugging me about.

And my argument is, and will continue to be, that she did not get properly represented in ME1. Between the two of us, the only person who's mentioned the other games is you. You said FemShep was heavily featured in BioWare trailers but not say that the trailers were for ME3.

[Vanilka]

Tbh, I think the opposite, Zaaed is old, slow and a hothead. FemShep wouldn't get her ass kicked IMO. Anyways, it was about how much Bioware's accuracy is nonexistent, but if it's broken logic to you, fine, moving on...

 

Well, my femShep sure wouldn't, but I sure might, lol. Zaeed is not to be messed with. Wherever he was, he was always the only one to come out of it alive. Not risking that.

And, yeah, BW can be a mess, that is true. And I hate that it happens. I love their games, but I still hate that it happens.
 

You could say that, it's very unlikely, but I'd use common sense say you'd be wrong, still, I could be wrong and every marine now have Hackett's name tattoed on their asses D:

Ha! Well, you never know. Our Shepards can't really take their undies off so you'll never find out, either. I bet it's totally there. In pretty letters.
 

I'm just basing myself with today's military standards, and while Bioware's writers comes and say that there are no hair rules, I would agree with you and say that Default Male Shepard could have been different, even if I prefer him to be bald for the soldier thing vibe.

I can understand that. I made a femShep with shaven head for the same reason. I think it looks very military and I think it looks cool on her. To me it's a perfectly valid hairstyle, that's never really been the issue.
 

Of course, but I don't want "power" or whatever else you meant with that. It seems like I'm some male power worshipper. In any case, I respect your thoughts, no disrespect intended.

Nah, "more power to you" is a way to say "That's great for you." It wasn't meant as anything with manly power or girl power or that stuff.

Well, then we're cool. I mean, we all have different experiences. Monica and I and some others simply didn't happen to see any references to femShep when ME1 was new. It's sad that it happened, but it happened despite some of us being passionate gamers, and that's why we responded to this topic, just trying to show our experiences. I don't think anybody's on a holy crusade because SOMETHING SOMETHING FEMINISM here. (Feminism is a good movement, but the term is misused way too often and for the wrong reasons nowadays. Like Chronoid did, he used it as an insult to invalidate our opinions and experiences. That was rather uncalled for.) Of course, nowadays it's super easy to find out about femShep. Especially now that she has her iconic appearance and the franchise has been out for a good while. She even eventually got her own cool trailer. And we eventually got to the games in our own ways and I think that's basically all we tried to say in our posts. If there was any offence, speaking for myself, I really intended none. I was just sharing my feelings about the past and how the protagonist and initial lack of advertising misled me.

 

Anyway, that was just to explain.

[Andrew Lucas]

And my argument is, and will continue to be, that she did not get properly represented in ME1. Between the two of us, the only person who's mentioned the other games is you. You said FemShep was heavily featured in BioWare trailers but not say that the trailers were for ME3.

I mentioned the trilogy since post one, and asked why you always kept bringing up ME1, after that, I even provided the things you asked, which showed FemShep wasn't forgotten, and back at 2007, if you just googled Mass Effect or searched the game's history, you'd know there's a female protagonist you can control. That's why you can't judge things by the appearance

[Monica21]

I mentioned the trilogy since post one, and asked why you always kept bringing up ME1, after that, I even provided the things you asked, which showed FemShep wasn't forgotten, and back at 2007, if you just googled Mass Effect or searched the game's history, you'd know there's a female protagonist you can control. That's why you can't judge things by the appearance

And again, I'm talking about marketing and the things that make people interested enough to want to read more about the game in the first place. The marketing was not there for ME1.

[Andrew Lucas]

Well, my femShep sure wouldn't, but I sure might, lol. Zaeed is not to be messed with. Wherever he was, he was always the only one to come out of it alive. Not risking that.
And, yeah, BW can be a mess, that is true. And I hate that it happens. I love their games, but I still hate that it happens.

Zaeed doesn't have crazy ass implants D: Agreed.
 

Ha! Well, you never know. Our Shepards can't really take their undies off so you'll never find out, either. I bet it's totally there. In pretty letters.

I can understand that. I made a femShep with shaven head for the same reason. I think it looks very military and I think it looks cool on her. To me it's a perfectly valid hairstyle, that's never really been the issue.

Well, I admire your choice.
 

Nah, "more power to you" is a way to say "That's great for you." It wasn't meant as anything with manly power or girl power or that stuff.
Well, then we're cool. I mean, we all have different experiences. Monica and I and some others simply didn't happen to see any references to femShep when ME1 was new. It's sad that it happened, but it happened despite some of us being passionate gamers, and that's why we responded to this topic, just trying to show our experiences. I don't think anybody's on a holy crusade because SOMETHING SOMETHING FEMINISM here. (Feminism is a good movement, but the term is misused way too often and for the wrong reasons nowadays.) Of course, nowadays it's super easy to find out about femShep. Especially now that she has her iconic appearance and the franchise has been out for a good while. She even eventually got her own cool trailer. And we eventually got to the games in our own ways and I think that's basically all we tried to say in our posts. If there was any offence, speaking for myself, I really intended none. I was just sharing my feelings about the past and how the protagonist and initial lack of advertising misled me.
 
Anyway, that was just to explain.

Fair enough, point taken. I'll admit FemShep didn't earn the much of attention she deserved back at ME1, but she wasn't living in a locked closet either.

If we take Bioware's latest behavior as any proof, we can expect Andromeda to have some balance regarding the gender marketing. As for the cover, that will be something to see, to please everyone, I guess switchable covers still needs to be a thing.

[Andrew Lucas]

And again, I'm talking about marketing and the things that make people interested enough to want to read more about the game in the first place. The marketing was not there for ME1.

Right.

[Vanilka]

Fair enough, point taken. I'll admit FemShep didn't earn the much of attention she deserved back at ME1, but she wasn't living in a locked closet either.

If we take Bioware's latest behavior as any proof, we can expect Andromeda to have some balance regarding the gender marketing. As for the cover, that will be something to see, to please everyone, I guess switchable covers still needs to be a thing.

 

Yeah, that was basically our point. She was there, but back when ME1 was a new game, it took some digging outside of the advertising and stuff to learn about her. There's no arguing about the fact that stuff definitely got and is getting better. I generally think it's cool to share since this community is occupied by both men and women and we all love BW's games, so of course we're really happy if we get included and get to take part in the fun. It might come across as annoying that we keep trying to remind them of ourselves, I get that, but we're also just getting used to the fact that we are actually getting acknowledged in marketing and stuff. David Gaider said it himself a few years ago that they wouldn't dare to put a woman on the cover not to scare off customers. And nowadays we actually have a cover with both manShep and femShep. And as a woman, hell, yeah, I'm excited about it. Actually, the flippable covers are a good compromise, imho. Nobody's asking for the male protagonist's erasure. I don't think so.

[Andrew Lucas]

Yeah, that was basically our point. She was there, but back when ME1 was a new game, it took some digging outside of the advertising and stuff to learn about her. There's no arguing about the fact that stuff definitely got and is getting better. I generally think it's cool to share since this community is occupied by both men and women and we all love BW's games, so of course we're really happy if we get included and get to take part in the fun. It might come across as annoying that we keep trying to remind them of ourselves, I get that, but we're also just getting used to the fact that we are actually getting acknowledged in marketing and stuff. David Gaider said it himself a few years ago that they wouldn't dare to put a woman on the cover not to scare off customers. And nowadays we actually have a cover with both manShep and femShep. And as a woman, hell, yeah, I'm excited about it. Actually, the flippable covers are a good compromise, imho. Nobody's asking for the male protagonist's erasure. I don't think so.

Eh, tbh, I'm glad Bioware has such diverse fandom, and honestly? The large majority of dudes here are those drunk dwarves that wants to pick up a fight with anything that moves and breathes, it would be a chaos.

Gaider's comment was unfair, that's for sure, but I can understand where he comes from since at least half of the gaming community was formed by average guys who wanted their testosterone games for awhile, and since they want to reach a large part of the crowd, they needed to appeal to them, but times are changing, and having a female protagonist can guarantee profit. I'm still pissed Assassins' Creed Syndicate doesn't feature a female only protagonist, but it's how it is.

Here's hoping for the protagonists' equal treatment in Andromeda, new galaxy, new strategies.

[aoibhealfae]

Actually, the hairstyle thing is a design flaw rather than it being a lore thing since they based all characters in game with their limited CC. Everyone is either bald or with close cropped head which made it ever weirder that Kai Leng is the only male character in the game with medium flowy hair. It was strange that a lot of the presets was based on Dragon Age Origins but I guess, longer male hairstyle is too medieval. (I don't think so but they clearly did)

 

I find its funny that in their early days, they dis Bethesda... a lot. lol. But even then they're very particular about not mentioning anything about FemShep but not actively referring Commander Shepard as 'he' either. 

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqmJJIbOjl4

In a way, maybe its a hindsight but in a way, FemShep rise in fame was phenomenal and purely driven by gamers ourselves. She was born out of neglect but became one of the most prominent female main protagonist in video game history and she already came from a pool of female main protagonists ; FemRevan, canon Surik, FemWarden, FemHawke, FemInquisitor, FemSith/Jedi/Agent/Smuggler/Trooper*. And even then, I find Hale's performance as FemShep is so much better than her role as FemTrooper, even if both of them sometime share the same lines. Its really not about gender but the character themselves that made us attached to them like leeches. My tragic sarcastic FemHawke probably came second.

[von uber]

Femshep appeared in one trailer, and that was for me3.

Hardly saturation coverage.

[Vanilka]

Eh, tbh, I'm glad Bioware has such diverse fandom, and honestly? The large majority of dudes here are those drunk dwarves that wants to pick up a fight with anything that moves and breathes, it would be a chaos.

Gaider's comment was unfair, that's for sure, but I can understand where he comes from since at least half of the gaming community was formed by average guys who wanted their testosterone games for awhile, and since they want to reach a large part of the crowd, they needed to appeal to them, but times are changing, and having a female protagonist can guarantee profit. I'm still pissed Assassins' Creed Syndicate doesn't feature a female only protagonist, but it's how it is.

Here's hoping for the protagonists' equal treatment in Andromeda, new galaxy, new strategies.

 

Well, either way, I'm always happy for people who are willing to have a reasonable discussion. Even if we don't agree. That's fine. It's just people like Chronoid that make it problematic. Instead of talking to us, he was just so hell-bent to put us down and shut us up at all costs and, honestly, I don't think he even understood what the discussion was about... plus, his arguments were ridiculous. (Hey, let's stop eating because some people are starving in other places in the world. Also, let's move out of our homes because some people are homeless.) At least I can talk to you, so thanks for that. And I haven't really had a problem with most people here. Generally, I feel like this is a really cool and fun community. One or two people that stupidly lose their crap (and they usually tend to do that for everyone, regardless of gender) won't ruin it.

 

Yeah, I agree that it was perfectly reasonable for them to be worried to make a step into the unknown. I understand that the market looked, or at least definitely seemed to look a bit different in the past and there were untested ways for them to go. I don't really blame them for wanting to be successful and I don't expect them to make leaps of faith, either. It's still a company that needs to profit to survive. Nevertheless, it's still awesome to see them try something new when they can.

 

I'm really curious about MEA. I think that if the protagonists are handled at least as well as Shepard was, it should be fine. Shepard is a pretty great example of how to do stuff right. Not that there aren't instances where Shepard couldn't be improved... like them being a little bit of a brick sometimes (Yeah, I'm looking at you, ME2 Horizon!), but that's a different issue, heh.

[Vanilka]

Actually, the hairstyle thing is a design flaw rather than it being a lore thing since they based all characters in game with their limited CC. Everyone is either bald or with close cropped head which made it ever weirder that Kai Leng is the only male character in the game with medium flowy hair. It was strange that a lot of the presets was based on Dragon Age Origins but I guess, longer male hairstyle is too medieval. (I don't think so but they clearly did)

 

I find its funny that in their early days, they dis Bethesda... a lot. lol. But even then they're very particular about not mentioning anything about FemShep but not actively referring Commander Shepard as 'he' either. 

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqmJJIbOjl4

In a way, maybe its a hindsight but in a way, FemShep rise in fame was phenomenal and purely driven by gamers ourselves. She was born out of neglect but became one of the most prominent female main protagonist in video game history and she already came from a pool of female main protagonists ; FemRevan, canon Surik, FemWarden, FemHawke, FemInquisitor, FemSith/Jedi/Agent/Smuggler/Trooper*. And even then, I find Hale's performance as FemShep is so much better than her role as FemTrooper, even if both of them sometime share the same lines. Its really not about gender but the character themselves that made us attached to them like leeches. My tragic sarcastic FemHawke probably came second.

 

Yeah, it totally wouldn't hurt if they gave guys more options. They could pull at least one Resident Evil Leon or something of that sort. I remember my (male) friend was so unhappy with the character creation options for guys (and partly because the voice acting didn't sit well with him), he decided to play as femShep instead. I mean, it would be good just to give it some variety since female characters definitely have a bit more to choose from in that department. Well, as far as NPCs go, Kaidan is somewhat fluffier. Fluffier in a sense it's long enough you could run your fingers through it, unlike with many other of the hairstyles, but yeah, couldn't hurt to have more of that or more than that.

 

Kai Leng makes me mad. I feel like more work went into Kai Leng's hair than... well... some other things. HIS HAIR FLOWS WITH THE WIND. No other character has that happen.

 

Yeah, honestly, I think femShep will always be special to me. I've never both related to and felt so inspired by a protagonist this much before, as far as I can remember. It's funny since she was sort of made as an afterthought, but turned out so popular. Mrs Hale's performance makes it so great, too. It wouldn't be the same with a different voice actress, imho. I feel like she improved throughout the franchise, as well. (I love when she yells at people, lol.) That's not to put down manShep, though. I just haven't played him yet.

 

EDIT: The 2006 trailer looks so weird! I saw that before, but I still can't get over how different and odd it looks from what we got in the end. (I'm pretty happy with what we've got, when looking at this. Current Sheploo looks so much more natural than the 2006 trailer one.)

[N7Jamaican]

They could go the same route DA:I did.  Generic protagonist in generic armour, can't tell one way or the other if they are a man or woman.