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[andy6915]

I have no problems on this playthrough, I'm a knight enchanter who has already solo killed a high dragon that was at my own level. But something I have noticed is that its "beating wings" attack is pretty much an assured death without barrier or guard. With it, I don't even see the guard or barrier even being damaged by it, but without it a character's health drops extremely fast. And there's no avoiding it, I've seen long range characters like archers get dragged from seemingly half a mile away and get killed by it (that's why I solo'd that high dragon, everyone else was dead in the first 30 seconds because of that attack). My next playthrough is going to be a rogue, so I won't have my own guard or barrier... So I'm worried. How am I going to stand a chance as a rogue? Hell, how will I stand a chance as even a mage without being a knight enchanter if I want to be a rift mage or something? It seems to me that you're fine if a barrier or guard is up for the entire fight, but dead instantly if either runs out for more than a few seconds. No rogue I've ever brought has lasted longer than a minute, none. That doesn't bode well for my next playthrough's rogue.

 

And I don't want to use overpowered tactics to just instant kill them. The high dragons are all a bit epic, with really nice music. I don't want to rush the battle with an attack that kills it in 10 seconds because I can't last any longer than that. I'm starting to think I'll just need to accept that my own character won't stand a chance on those playthroughs and I'll just have to control the other knight enchanter party member... Won't be as fun or easy though, since party members will never be as good at a style as your own character.

[devSin]

The buffet has a minimum range (shown by the visible vortex).

 

So just rush the dragon when it starts beating its wings. Often, you can get in without taking any damage at all, or only a single tick of it. And melee characters should typically be unaffected (and the dragon is locked into its animation, so you can get free damage on it for the whole attack, unless you stagger it by doing too much limb damage, which will interrupt anything it's doing).

[andy6915]

The buffet has a minimum range (shown by the visible vortex).

 

So just rush the dragon when it starts beating its wings. Often, you can get in without taking any damage at all, or only a single tick of it. And melee characters should typically be unaffected (and the dragon is locked into its animation, so you can get free damage on it for the whole attack, unless you stagger it by doing too much limb damage, which will interrupt anything it's doing).

 

So that's why I thought it does no barrier or guard damage. Every time it started "buffeting"(?) I would simply close ranks to spirit blade it, and then watch my barrier and Cassandra's guard* to see that we weren't being damaged by it. I assumed it was our barrier or guard causing it, but it must have just been that we were both staying right near it. So I should be fine so long as I stay right on top of it at all times, and hope it doesn't start the attack right after moving too far away to be safe from it before I can get closer again.

 

*I only solo'd one high dragon, but I've killed 4. All but the weak Frostback has killed half the party in the first minute. One killed everyone but me which I solo'd, Two killed everyone but me and Cassandra, and the Frostback didn't manage to ever get things to a point where everyone was down for good... But I did fight that one at a higher level than it was.

[caradoc2000]

The vortex deals damage to characters that are outside it.

[andy6915]

Well I am now annoyed about something: Ranged characters and mages who aren't KE are effectively worthless for dragon fights. Don't ever bother bringing an archer or a mage not named Vivenne, because they will be liabilities. And if your Inquisitor is an archer, you better pack daggers anyway even if you have no skills in them. Only way an archer might help is if you use a trick to instant kill it.

 

[caradoc2000]

They are not worthless, you just have to adjust your actions accordingly.

[thats1evildude]

I've kept all my ranged characters alive. Resistance tonics are your friend.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Well I am now annoyed about something: Ranged characters and mages who aren't KE are effectively worthless for dragon fights. Don't ever bother bringing an archer or a mage not named Vivenne, because they will be liabilities. And if your Inquisitor is an archer, you better pack daggers anyway even if you have no skills in them. Only way an archer might help is if you use a trick to instant kill it.

I routinely kill dragons with just a mage (necromancer).

Because while that wing attack has a minimum range, it also has a maximum range. Except for the dragons you have to fight in a phone booth (Emprise), there's plenty of space to stay outside the range of those attacks.

Also, why can't you fight with an archer at close range? Archers don't need to be at range to be effective.

[andy6915]

I've kept all my ranged characters alive. Resistance tonics are your friend.

 

Resistance to what? The wing attack is physical damage, correct?

 

 

I routinely kill dragons with just a mage (necromancer).

Because while that wing attack has a minimum range, it also has a maximum range. Except for the dragons you have to fight in a phone booth (Emprise), there's plenty of space to stay outside the range of those attacks.

Also, why can't you fight with an archer at close range? Archers don't need to be at range to be effective.

 

A maximum range... When the party members AI is too stupid to stay at that range. If I set them on hold position, that sets everyone to hold position including warriors. And if the dragon moves closer, then I need to switch to them and once again set them to be further away and hope hold position doesn't bug out again so they ignore that order. The AI doesn't allow archers or mages to use their actual effective range, they're too stupid. Believe me, I wish there was a way to make ranged characters actually be ranged. That was an option in past DA games, but not in DAI where tactics are too simplified.

[Wulfram]

I usually try to fight at dragons at medium range.  Close enough to avoid the wing buffet, far enough that you don't get trampled.  Though it does cost you Long Shot damage of course, and it requires quite a lot of micro whenever the thing shifts..

[S_i_d_e_winder]

Yeah, the wing buffet does the most damage to my party during the dragon fights. That's the only real trouble I have with them. So for me, I try to keep the whole party pretty close to the dragons just for that reason.

When the wing buffet starts up I usually pop the tac cam and use Fade Step to get the mages close to the dragon. I keep the ability on their bar, but disabled. I also set a mana reserve so its ready to use when I need it.

For varric and sera you can use evade if you go that deep into the stealth tree. If not, just try to get them to run into the circle as fast as they can to mitigate some of the damage.

Also, keep in mind that that range attacks from a mage, a bow, Mark of Death or Hidden Blades fail during the wing buffet.