198 réponses à ce sujet

[o Ventus]

Actually, No, There has been several studies about cultures that didn't develop male and female stereotypes and they all acted gender-neutrally. What i was trying to say is that not in all cases can evolution, Or "Sex" define your characteristics. That the whole thing works in a case-by-case basis, Not by a collective basis.

 

Bro, do you even lift read?

 

 

Gender =/= Gender roles. How you managed to read my last post and still conflate the two is beyond me. I literally said that gender roles are borne of society, though they do have roots in evolution. The rest of your post has nothing at all to do with anything I said.

[TheBunz]

And if you don't already know by now, this is where I ride around lookin for hot babes

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

What "People" consider to be normal. There's no objective normality. But that's another long subject.

then by that definition theres no such thing as gender neutral.

 

Check. and. Mate.

[TheBunz]

You guys don't know what gender is, just admit it.

[Billy-the-Squid]

Actually, No, There has been several studies about cultures that didn't develop male and female stereotypes and they all acted gender-neutrally. What i was trying to say is that not in all cases can evolution, Or "Sex" define your characteristics. That the whole thing works in a case-by-case basis, Not by a collective basis.

 

Femboys aren't a culture!

[o Ventus]

Dude, I get what you're saying, You are the one who actually need to read my post, I was criticizing the matter that you're thinking objectively instead of subjectively about the matter.

 

Yes, because I'm making the case that gender is not a societal construct, and that gender can be demonstrated in human biology and evolution, and that gender can be observed.

 

HOW ELSE WILL I SPEAK OF IT, IF NOT OBJECTIVELY? THIS IS NOT A TOPIC OF OPINION, I AM STATING FACTS.

[TheBunz]

Caps Lock doesn't make your opinion more valid.

 

Gender is a social construct. Look up Victor of Aveyron.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

No, There is. The liberation from society norms about gender. That's gender neutrality. People tend to confuse the state of being physically real, And emotionally real. When i said that there's no objective normality, I meant to say that what people consider to be normal is merely a society idea, It's not something that's real,  objective or acceptable for all.

you know youved screwed up when bunz likes your post.

 

edit: aww look at bunz try to be tough.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism. She argues that colonial powers used a gender system as a tool for domination and fundamentally changing social relations among the indigenous" - Wikipedia

 

That's just one of the many examples.

thats a culture thing, not a gender thing. again, youre confusing gender with gender norms and roles.

[Billy-the-Squid]

"Maria Lugones observes that among the Yoruba people there was no concept of gender and no gender system whatsoever before colonialism. She argues that colonial powers used a gender system as a tool for domination and fundamentally changing social relations among the indigenous" - Wikipedia

 

That's just one of the many examples.

 

A quote from a feminist...

 

[Billy-the-Squid]

"Maria Lugones  .... colonial powers used a gender system as a tool for domination and fundamentally changing social relations " - Wikipedia

 

That's just one of the many examples.

 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

What I'm stating is that nature and evolution does not define all people. For example, I was born a male with a perfectly healthy genital, And yet, Sex does not interest me for some reason. What I'm stating is that we shouldn't not jump to conclusions, And we should not judge what we don't fully understand yet. And we should not set a status quo.

 

On a side note, I think Bunz is doing a pretty good job on this thread and his posts were rather intelligent.

and what im saying is, my dick isnt an identity. its a dick.

[o Ventus]

And I'm saying that you're speaking of a specific portion of people and not all people have the same mindset. Therefore, You can't put a status quo.

 

What are you talking about? 

 

I never said anything about a status quo. You're sounding like a madman.

 

You've ignored close to every single thing I've said to you (and you do it pretty regularly), so I'm just going to ignore the rest of your posts. You clearly can't follow the topic at hand.

[General TSAR]

I like where this is going. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Whatever.

check. and. mate.

[TheBunz]

Gender is the characteristics that a culture believes a sex should have. These individual traits can be called gender roles, but they, ultimately, form a gender.

Therefor,

Gender is mental. 

[BioWareMod01]

This thread is being closed because the discussion is becoming hostile.