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[SpaceV3gan]

For those who claimed to finish a perilous match as a level 1 character in Pug, please share the result picture after a match. I will be really surprise to see any of you are not in the bottom of the exp list.

I am pretty sure that a player who has hundreds of promotions can do pretty well in an average pug game using a Katari or maybe an Avvar. This person can not merely be above the bottom position when playing with 3 average pugs, but possibly compete for the top one. Promotions can help a level one stay alive as well as do enough damage, at least with the characters I mentioned.
I can't do such experiment because I can't find 3 Perilous pugs in my region. Also, my e-peen is not large enough for that.

[Courtnehh]

If I'm with a good group I'll always promote as soon as I hit 20 and I mostly play perilous. Surprising how much work you can do on a level 1 Avvar.

[Jailson_MMB]

It is my third times to encounter a level 1 character in a perilous game today. It really pissed me off. These people are essentially sabotage the entire team and expected to be rewarded by exp. What suprieses me is that no one in the match try to kick those character except me. What would you guys do if you see those people

What do you think of two lvl 1  

[Innarra]

No matter how many promotions or how good your gear is, you are a liability to the team on perilous if you are level 1. You don't have the abilities needed to do damage, which is a huge part of surviving perilous runs.

 

Essentially it's ignorant to expect random strangers to carry you if you do this, and I will kick you if you try it.

 

However, in a strong team, if someone mics in and asks if they can bring a level one and isn't being a jerk about it, I am prepared to give it a go if they have shown themselves to be a decently skilled player previously.

 

I do agree that it's better etiquette to bring a level 1 to Threatening, and then your level 7/8 to Perilous on the next run.

 

However, when you get 100 prestige+ in each stat it's a bit different than you think. With a Dragon weapon and 2 HoK rings, auto attacks and the starting abilities with a lvl 1 are doing more damage, kills and healing in Perilous than a new level 20 with zero promotes and low level gear. There's a lot of new players that haven't figured out how to promote their characters, haven't found top tier gear, and are bringing their level 20 to pug their way through a Perilous match. I'm happy to provide a carry, kick if you must, not much skin off my nose. I'm 90% of the time playing in private matches anyway. 

[suhanzhi123]

The intention I started the discussion is to find out how BSNers react to the situation. To my surprise, i see many people are ok with the behavior in Pug. I have no idea it is a controversy issue. I wished all the discussio cab baesd on two assuption: level 1 character and perilous Pug. And the question should be "do yoh think it is proper to bring a level 1 character in a randomly matched public game? What's the reason and what's your promotion stats? "

[Jailson_MMB]

I do agree that it's better etiquette to bring a level 1 to Threatening, and then your level 7/8 to Perilous on the next run.

 

However, when you get 100 prestige+ in each stat it's a bit different than you think. With a Dragon weapon and 2 HoK rings, auto attacks and the starting abilities with a lvl 1 are doing more damage, kills and healing in Perilous than a new level 20 with zero promotes and low level gear. There's a lot of new players that haven't figured out how to promote their characters, haven't found top tier gear, and are bringing their level 20 to pug their way through a Perilous match. I'm happy to provide a carry, kick if you must, not much skin off my nose. I'm 90% of the time playing in private matches anyway. 

you read my mind

[SpaceV3gan]

The intention I started the discussion is to find out how BSNers react to the situation. To my surprise, i see many people are ok with the behavior in Pug. I have no idea it is a controversy issue. I wished all the discussio cab baesd on two assuption: level 1 character and perilous Pug. And the question should be "do yoh think it is proper to bring a level 1 character in a randomly matched public game? What's the reason and what's your promotion stats? "

The reason? XP, obviously. The same reason a Level 19 would have playing Perilous.

Moreover, we will need both Prestige and Loadout displayed on the lobby screen to resolve sensibly the issue of having Level 1s in Perilous.

[suhanzhi123]

What do you think of two lvl 1  

I leave immediately. 

[suhanzhi123]

The reason? XP, obviously. The same reason a Level 19 would have playing Perilous.

Moreover, we will need both Prestige and Loadout displayed on the lobby screen to resolve sensibly the issue of having Level 1s in Perilous.

I totally agree with that. It should be like the Mass Effect 3 MP that you can see all the gears and N7 level of every players in the lobby. 

[sonofbarak]

Bow-chicka-bow-wow

 

Ok who are you that you know that lol

 

[Medallian]

It is my third times to encounter a level 1 character in a perilous game today. It really pissed me off. These people are essentially sabotage the entire team and expected to be rewarded by exp. What suprieses me is that no one in the match try to kick those character except me. What would you guys do if you see those people?

stats play alot into things before you are quick to judge look at there hours possible rank and see how they play.... for all you know that lvl 1 may have all there stats over 200+ essentially making them a lvl 20

[Alan Drifter13]

 

Virtuoso can't keep up barrier in level 1 even with potion. They are useful in very limited degree.  They would get instant killed if they don't have superb health belt or high promotion.

 

I think this depends on how many Willpower promotions the player has (and/or willpower amulet). I wouldn't play level 1 in Perilous, but a lot of players have many more promotions than me (and better gear).

[Havoc49J]

I think it's very poor etiquette to bring level 1's into Perilous PUG's. It's not a huge inconvience to just hop over to threatening, spend 15 minutes soloing a game then pop back on Perilous as a level 7.

Personally, I've met exactly 3 player since launch who have claimed to have more than 100 promotions. Making an assumption that the numerous level 1s popping up in Perilous PUG's are players with hundreds of promotions would be incredibly naive. No matter what banner a player has when he enters Perilous at level 1, I expect them to be dead weight, and I have yet to be incorrect in that assumption.

I can see a heavily promoted level 1 being an asset to the team. But it's infinitely more likely that the level one is not one of said players, so if they do not take the time to identify themself as such, I don't take the risk and simply leave the lobby.

[lJustAlexl]

The intention I started the discussion is to find out how BSNers react to the situation. To my surprise, i see many people are ok with the behavior in Pug. I have no idea it is a controversy issue. I wished all the discussio cab baesd on two assuption: level 1 character and perilous Pug. And the question should be "do yoh think it is proper to bring a level 1 character in a randomly matched public game? What's the reason and what's your promotion stats? "

 

This is because you're asking a group that is intimately familiar with the affect of numerous promotions. I feel like the average promotions for BSN users is somewhere north of 60*. And at that point, certain classes can be effective even at level 1.

 

For the majority of players, this isn't the case. Despite that, I'm of the same mind as others who posted here. If people want to quickly level a character to 10~, even if we all fade out before completing the match, I'm fine with it. I would just prefer/hope they stick around afterward to help the group out after benefiting from their work.

*Judging by that promotion topic on the front page, I may have overestimated this...

[Yumi]

If three members of the party are worth half a crap they can three man easily.

If you wipe bc of a lvl 1 in perilous, guess what? They won't be lev 1 anymore you dope! And that former lvl 1 at lvl 9 is probably better than you at your permanent level 20.


PS: I personally watched a lvl 1 duelist take 1st place last night. Whew Audacity is a boss off-hand dagger, that's all imma say about that.

[nanotm]

I routinely drop into peri pugs with a newly promoted char, only once was the game not in zone 5, its free exp to lvl 13 at which point I can solo threatening or duo peri anyway, the single time I dropped into a match and it wasn't zone 5 was last night and I still topped the scoreboard (dropped in on zone 1) even though the team wiped in zone 4, I was the guy reviving everyone else and using explosive shot to kill a dozen archers at a time ......I don't have a great amount of promotions (+8 to each stat) but I do have decent gear and superb accessories, sure I went down but only after the rest of the team had already passed to the fade through dying so damn much .....

[Beerfish]

I pretty well never will play a level one in perilous, out of courtesy i usually go for a quick game in easy mode or threatenting to get to level 4-7, still in most cases i do not go into a perilous game before at least level 10 or so even if I could do so.

[T_elic]

If you've got +60 on all your skills and pretty much all the top gear, doing level 1 perilous runs is totally acceptable. I've been in games with some of the top ranked PS4 players and they carried entire matches with their level 1 character.

[ErySakasegawa]

While being good equiped (all dragon weapons/2 HoK Rings) I still go into threatening matches when i promote my character. As many stated before, it's rude behaviour to go into perilous as a random player. Playing with friends in private is another story.

 

When I see a lvl1 character in the lobby I either kick-vote him or leave the lobby. In-game I kick those leechers straight. Those saying "...but there are high promotions characters that can carry the team or solo perilous" I have to reply that I have yet to see one lvl 1 character to be not a burden. Really...would it hurt to do one threatening run with your lvl 1 character?

[Kenny Bania]

Only if they're number 1 on the Xbone leaderboard.

[Lil Mantis]

Only if they're number 1 on the Xbone leaderboard.

If you're not first, you're last!!

[Lil Mantis]

I normally don't join a random perilous as a level 1 but if I get a good feel for the group and I promote my current character, I will bring a level 1 in.  

[Laforgus]

The only times i play lv 1 are with characters that have Chain Lighting, it helps a lot on killing and the score. 

[Mad Godji]

I now mostly refuse and vote kick too. I did play some perilous games with lvl 1 chars who, to their credit, didn't die and didn't create situations where they endangered others. Still, there is a major difference between "not being in the way" and "actively contributing", and at It's quite disrespectful and piggybacking on people who do bother running their 2-3 lower level runs before switching to Perilous so they can actually pull their weight and are not reliant on their teammates to cover for them.

 

And the "I did better than the lvl 20 guys" argument is just fallacious : if these guys don't perform properly at level 20, just imagine if they started bringing their level one? If lvl 1 characters were so justified in perilous, public games would be full of 4 lvl 1 chars destroying perilous, and somehow, it doesn't happen.

 

 

 

EDIT : Private games is not even a topic : with your friends, of course you do whatever you want, and I do lvl 1 perilous runs which usually fail HARSHLY, but even such a fail is still good xp. The difference is that it IS rude to make strangers fail without it being agrred upon at the start.

[Cirvante]

We played a perilous game yesterday with two lvl 1 characters and extracted. Players with hundreds of promotions can carry their weight even on lvl 1, so it's not that much of a problem.

It was the same in ME3. In the beginning, playing gold and extracting was a big deal. Later on I could bring my Claymore GI without equipment into a pug and carry them.