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#76
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I'm liking the dialogue happening here. It's actually making me want to see it more, despite the crowd being split 50:50.

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Are you staying yum for the ice cream, or yum for Chris Pratt?

Clearly it's the raptors that are yummy.



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Sure the "raptors" in the original had the size of Utahraptors. But in general the original updated the audience on the concept of dinosaurs. It made the point that they were animals not monsters. A dinosaur is sick. A pack of dinosaurs running away like gnus. Also some updates on being warm blood, fast, smart as animals are, that some evolved into birds...

The last follows the formula in the behavior regard because there hasn't been a revolution re:behavior in the last 20 years. But there has been one in terms of looks. Liaoning can't be shrugged off d like that. Sadly the original designs are so known they didn't dare changing them too much and thus update the public once again on what dinosaurs were like. Also, you don't see nerds discussing evolution and pop sci books in this one. Instead you get handsome actors/models with cool motorbikes in tight clothes. The movie plays it safe and because of that it won't have any relevance in the long term like the first one does.
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Remember people. They used Frog DNA to fill out the gaps. Amphibians don't have feathers so these dinos don't have feathers. It makes the most sense IMO.

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Remember people. They used Frog DNA to fill out the gaps. Amphibians don't have feathers so these dinos don't have feathers. It makes the most sense IMO.

Gimme a break



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Gimme a break

 

It makes sense. The Dino Genetic code had gaps and the gaps were filled via frogs. Obviously they would inherit some amphibious traits. Like the changing of sexes in a single sex environment.



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It makes sense. The Dino Genetic code had gaps and the gaps were filled via frogs. Obviously they would inherit some amphibious traits. Like the changing of sexes in a single sex environment.

Call me a scrooge, but I think this movie is a turd

 

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Call me a scrooge, but I think this movie is a turd

 

:?

 

But will I live to see Christmas Mr. Budgee Scrooge?

 

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Remember people. They used Frog DNA to fill out the gaps. Amphibians don't have feathers so these dinos don't have feathers. It makes the most sense IMO.


We know there's a canonical explanation for the dinosaurs looking the way they look. The problem isn't that there's no reason for the current look. The problem is that the reason for changing the look is much better.

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I'd be more interested if the creators of the film were more interested in depicting dinosaurs according to modern information on them thru paleontology.

 

Speaking of paleontology, when I was really little I wanted to be a paleontologist. Went to the American Museum of Natural History like a million times. Maybe I should explore that career path again.


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We know there's a canonical explanation for the dinosaurs looking the way they look. The problem isn't that there's no reason for the current look. The problem is that the reason for changing the look is much better.

 

So you would rather they try using bird DNA then to fill those gaps thinking they may look more accurate?



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Well, I can't see it tonight, and might not for another week for alot of reasons.

 

But hey, I have the first three on Blu-ray. I can at least do that tonight.



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So you would rather they try using bird DNA then to fill those gaps thinking they may look more accurate?


You do realize that they don't actually clone the dinosaurs to show them in the movie. They're CGI. They can look like whatever the film crew wants them to look like.

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They could make up a new reason to update the look of the dinosaurs like improved dna processing, better extraction from the mosquitoes or what have you. Also it's not only feathers/fur, there's also the position of their arms. The movie isn't a step forward like the original was.
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They used Bird DNA because the Frog DNA allowed for unauthorized breeding.

 

Done.

 

Everyone give me all the screenwriting awards.



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They used Bird DNA because the Frog DNA allowed for unauthorized breeding.

 

Done.

 

Everyone give me all the screenwriting awards.

 

Only if you say my name.



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Only if you say my name.

Uh, Trouser Snake?



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I'd be more interested if the creators of the film were more interested in depicting dinosaurs according to modern information on them thru paleontology.

 

Speaking of paleontology, when I was really little I wanted to be a paleontologist. Went to the American Museum of Natural History like a million times. Maybe I should explore that career path again.

 

You really should.

 

I've had many different types of jobs and the only one I can say that I truly love and would like to continue as my career, is in paleontology as a fossil preparator. No job will ever compare to it for me. Just knowing that you're the first person to uncover and touch a bone of an animal that's been extinct for millions of years...it's a feeling that's very hard to explain. 

 

Are you staying yum for the ice cream, or yum for Chris Pratt?

 

Definitely both.

 

 

 

But I saw the movie today. I really enjoyed. Some of my friends didn't like it because there was too much going on and has no paleontology in it. But I loved it regardless. Will definitely see it again soon. Blue was my favorite. 


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You really should.

 

I've had many different types of jobs and the only one I can say that I truly love and would like to continue as my career, is in paleontology as a fossil preparator. No job will ever compare to it for me. Just knowing that you're the first person to uncover and touch a bone of an animal that's been extinct for millions of years...it's a feeling that's very hard to explain. 

 

I actually dug up a few dinosaur fossils when I was young. I'm talking real young, like 5-6 years old. Maybe I should revisit my childhood dream. Though I'm gonna kick myself if I end up sticking with paleontology;I spent many years looking at other opportunities and forgetting about it so returning to it would make me feel like all that other time was wasted. Then again, right time, right place and all that.


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I actually dug up a few dinosaur fossils when I was young. I'm talking real young, like 5-6 years old. Maybe I should revisit my childhood dream. Though I'm gonna kick myself if I end up sticking with paleontology;I spent many years looking at other opportunities and forgetting about it so returning to it would make me feel like all that other time was wasted. Then again, right time, right place and all that.

 

That's awesome! The fossils I've worked with have only been from the Miocene, Eocene, and Pleistocene eras so I haven't worked with dinosaur bones yet. Hopefully I will soon. But I was like you. My dream was to be a paleontologist when I was little. But with time that faded away. I went to university and studied to work in the veterinary field. But I don't really like it. I felt like I wasted my education and time on that. Then I had an opportunity to get into the Paleontology field, so I took it. Since then, my passion for it reignited. I'm still working in the veterinary field but will continue with Paleontology too. I can't live without it. 


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#96
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Wow, I had no idea that the BSN had so many passionate professional paleo people!


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Well I'm back from the theater

 

tl;dr version is 8/10, best of the sequels and a fine film on its own right with enjoyable dinosaur action if a bit light on the human characters, and more annoying kids.

 

The somewhat longer version. (I will try to avoid spoilers but I make no guarantees so read at your own risk)

 

I think this movie worked on several levels. It's a better movie than either of the other two sequels (though I do think Lost World is underrated and JP3 gets more hate than it deserves).  As a summer blockbuster its more than serviceable, the action scenes are not too gratuitous and there is some great tension building moments, even if the human characters often prompt reactions of "why the hell are you doing this?"  Seeing the park in all its glory is amazing and to the rousing tune of John Williams's best main theme (come at me SW fans) its a one way nostalgia trip.  The basic premise of the plot is simple (and reminiscent of the first one is many ways).  In fact much of the movie labors in love to evoke the first movie and it is not always successful.  There is for example no "Brachiasaurus moment" but there are many moments that I felt totally engrossed in and there are plenty of nods and references to the first film, not so much the other two (more on that later).

 

The human characters in JP films have always been a sideshow and its really no different here.  Don't go in expecting radically new and engaging characters.  The only character from the original movie is Henry Wu (played by the same actor) and we learn that he has been up to much more than just bringing back dinosaurs.  Vincent D'Onofrio serves as the human antagonist, but he never comes across as much more than one dementionally short sighted in his goal, and his entire arc is underdeveloped.  Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard are the central characters for the human side of the coin.  This is a mixed blessing as they both have some highs and lows.  Their first scene together is at the same time corny and funny and also mind bogglingly irritating in some ways.  While I do not share some people's disgust at using old stereotypes like the workaholic boss meets the down to earth sarcastic pragmatic hero with a heart of gold, it does come off a little annoying.  However, both come to shine later in the movie as Ms Howard (literally) gets more down to Earth in order to help save her family.  The love story between her and Pratt never feels totally genuine and while most of their scenes together are fine in terms of banter, I never felt chemistry between the two on any higher level.  Most of the other human characters are not very detailed.  There is the new CEO of inGEN who took over the company after John Hammond's death, two people in the control room, the obligatory annoying children, a sidekick to Pratt and so on.  They don't really detract much from the film, but they don't add anything of substance either, they seem to exist mostly to up the stakes with the dinosaurs and serve to help deliver a few key lines.

 

The plot itself is fairly unremarkable, but we all know why we are seeing the movies.

 

The scenes of the dinosaurs are nothing short of awe-inspiring.  None of the charisma is gone from seeing the prehistoric beasts in their glory.  The velociraptors, the T-rex, "Indomitus" Rex, and so on all look believable and I have no complaints.  Now I was apprehensive after having seen the trailers that the velociraptors were going to be dumbed down and made little more than trained dogs to show how badass Pratt is.  And while they do show badass he is, rest easy, they have lost none of their bite.  I was also worried going in that the Indomitus Rex would be too much to handle for the movie as a genetic hybrid and at some moments its a little ridiculous how many adaptations it has (though it later is explained why this is the case the movie never ran with the subplot far enough imo).  However, really once again the stars of the show are the tried and true classic, the velociraptor and our very own tyrant lizard king. 

 

Yes the T-rex makes its triumphant return to the series in a big way at the end of the movie (and I was so satisfied by it).   And this is a good point to mention where the film works on another level.  The film is also a very subtle critique of big blockbusters.  Several lines such as "No one is impressed by dinosaurs anymore" and "we need bigger, scarier ...more teeth" in their proper context make me think of other bloated franchises that constantly try and up themselves with bigger and badder films.  This might be somewhat hypocritical coming from a $150 million summer blockbuster, but it still hits true in many ways.  Seeing teenagers looking at their smartphones rather than A T-REX THAT IS LITERALLY EATING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM serve this purpose as well.  Much of this tone is also found one of the control room workers, he is undoubtedly an audience stand in, he wears the original JP logo on his shirt, quips about needing genetic hybrids to sell tickets, and so on, Pratt also has his moments where he fulfills this same role. 

 

One scene that especially sells this is the finale, I won't spoil anything but I kept getting the feeling that the finale was trying to tell us that even old dinosaurs are still pretty freaking amazing.  We don't need a genetic hybrid to liven us up, bigger is not always better and so on.

 

The movie is also rather coy about the two previous sequels to the '92 original.  The Lost World is never outright referenced I believe, and JP3 gets a few subtle nods such as a spinosaurus skeleton that is on display (and smashed to bits by the one true king).  Instead the film very much sets itself up as a follow up to the original and that's about it.  This is shown a number of ways in how the first Jurassic Park still looms large over it at all times.  (somewhat embodied by John Hammond's statue being always in the distance in many scenes)

 

 have seen other critics make note on what they call "male centrism" or a "macho" feel to the entire movie.  I disagree with this criticism as it intentionally ignores the development that Howard's character goes through ( as evidenced by the change in her attire) but ymmv.

 

In conclusion, its a perfectly good entry into the JP franchise, it works on its own merits as a summer blockbuster, but look beneath the surface and you can see that there is some smarter material that pokes fun at the current state of Hollywood (which again is somewhat amusing coming from the fourth entry ina massive franchise)

 


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#98
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Am I the only one who wants Jurassic park in Space? Who can resist some dinosaurs in space.


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Wow, I had no idea that the BSN had so many passionate professional paleo people!

 

Paleontology is fun.


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Since we are complaining about the look of the Dinosaurs, are we not even going to address the fact a good chunk of those Dinosaurs aren't even from the Jurassic Period, but the Cretaceous period? Then again Jurassic Park sounds a whole lot better.