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[Hrulj]

If certain members of human population started exibiting biotic powers as in mass effect (ability to move trough solid objects and charge a target, pick up heavy objects and throw/slam them or just create singularities, how would our governments react and what would happen to those people? Would they really be discriminated against as in ME universe? Would they really be useful to the military? Would they be confined to facilities a-la Pragia, or would they be accepted as regular people with extra omph?

[BananaDePijama]

If certain members of human population started exibiting biotic powers as in mass effect (ability to move trough solid objects and charge a target, pick up heavy objects and throw/slam them or just create singularities, how would our governments react and what would happen to those people? Would they really be discriminated against as in ME universe? Would they really be useful to the military? Would they be confined to facilities a-la Pragia, or would they be accepted as regular people with extra omph?

 

In the world we live today, I doubt they would be easily accepted, most of the people would fear their power. Military however, they could provide very useful shields and barriers during intense firefights and would be able to tear down enemies very easily with " Singularities ", " Warps ", " Biotic Charge's " and " Supernova's ", in the military point of view, Biotics would be very useful weapons. 

 

It would just like to be a mage of DA, some people thinks that what you do when you point your hand at a tree is beautiful, other's think that you are the most dangerous thing ever.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think that they'd be feared. There would be drugs made to eliminate the ability. A person would be given a choice of being confined to special  institution where they would hone their skills for government and military purposes, or go on the drugs for life which would be the same as a mage being made tranquil. Eventually, though the biotics would begin mating with each other and the evolution of h0mo superior would emerge.

 

The Psi Corps in Babylon 5 is a good example of what would happen.

[SuperJogi]

Military however, they could provide very useful shields and barriers during intense firefights and would be able to tear down enemies very easily with " Singularities ", " Warps ", " Biotic Charge's " and " Supernova's ", in the military point of view, Biotics would be very useful weapons.

 

Really? I don't think so. They are effective in ME combat because ME is videogame combat and videogame combat is mostly bullshit. (Unless you play Arma 3) Yeah, throwing up a barrier to give you some cover if you're out in the open would be useful, but if you find yourself beeing shot  at while not having any cover, you've already done something wrong. Since the effective range of offensive abilities is quite pitiful, they would be close to useless unless you're fighting in an urban enviroment, but then pulling a trigger is quicker then throwing around some fance biotics. Also, this pretty blue glow you emitt is a good way of telling your enemy: "Look I'm here, please shoot me." The way I see it, in modern combined arms warfare, biotics are much more effective at attracting enemy fire and getting shot then actually doing any damage.

 

In the world we live today, I doubt they would be easily accepted, most of the people would fear their power. It would just like to be a mage of DA...

 

Actually, I would say that magic in reality is much less scary than usually portrayed in fiction, because conventional weapons are much more effective than usually portrayed in fiction. Harry Potter would have been over fairly quickly if Harry had an AK47.

 

And now I have images in my head of fantasy mages in camouflage robes with 'tactical' staffs, which are covered in Picatinny rails with a scope, laserpointer and grenade launcher attached to it. That would be fun.

 

Edit: I'm pleased to see that BSN doesn't censor the word "bullshit"

[Cknarf]

I'd treat them the same as I do normal people. Slap all the ladies on the ass, and punch all the dudes in the face.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd be so dead.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Biotics would be effective in armed combat because of the biotic barrier. It could save the adepts life.

Auto win in unarmed combat.

Personally I think the government would attempt to weaponize the power and mass produce it if possible. Politics would also be a factor and there will large groups of people that want biotics locked up or experimented on or worshipped as gods.

I think it would be interesting and far less dangerous than DA mages or Marvel mutants.

[aoibhealfae]

I reckoned there will be a new caste for biotics in the society. Sort of... elitism. The most powerful you are, the more successful and respected you'll be. Some people would want to arrange marriage to produce stronger generation with a penchant for biotics. Wait.. this is a setting in one of the books I'm reading....

[Hrulj]

Really? I don't think so. They are effective in ME combat because ME is videogame combat and videogame combat is mostly bullshit. (Unless you play Arma 3) Yeah, throwing up a barrier to give you some cover if you're out in the open would be useful, but if you find yourself beeing shot  at while not having any cover, you've already done something wrong. Since the effective range of offensive abilities is quite pitiful, they would be close to useless unless you're fighting in an urban enviroment, but then pulling a trigger is quicker then throwing around some fance biotics. Also, this pretty blue glow you emitt is a good way of telling your enemy: "Look I'm here, please shoot me." The way I see it, in modern combined arms warfare, biotics are much more effective at attracting enemy fire and getting shot then actually doing any damage.

 

 

Actually, I would say that magic in reality is much less scary than usually portrayed in fiction, because conventional weapons are much more effective than usually portrayed in fiction. Harry Potter would have been over fairly quickly if Harry had an AK47.

 

And now I have images in my head of fantasy mages in camouflage robes with 'tactical' staffs, which are covered in Picatinny rails with a scope, laserpointer and grenade launcher attached to it. That would be fun.

 

Edit: I'm pleased to see that BSN doesn't censor the word "bullshit"

 

I agree that biotics portrayed in gameplay of ME wouldnt be that effective. But I also believe that they have been balanced for gameplay reason. Same reason why rockets move slowly etc..

I think cutscenes give much better impression of it (Jack single handedly destroying an entire ship for example) and I think we should watch it in context of gameplay balance

[Vazgen]

Regarding their military effectiveness - put a biotic in a tank and have them generate a barrier around it. You get an invulnerable tank.

 

As for how they would be received - probably fear and separation from the society.

[KrrKs]

Actually, I would say that magic in reality is much less scary than usually portrayed in fiction[...]

Not necessarily 'scary', but dangerous (for either side).

 

Just imagine a toddler bioticaly kicking everyone through the walls because it didn't get some candy.

I have no idea how I would react if something like that were real.

[Laughing_Man]

Not necessarily 'scary', but dangerous (for either side).

 

Just imagine a toddler bioticaly kicking everyone through the walls because it didn't get some candy.

I have no idea how I would react if something like that were real.

 

I highly doubt that a toddler would be able to do that.

 

Edit: Even if the unlikely were to occur, I don't see why an advanced society won't be able to find simple solutions for that.

[Laughing_Man]

Essentially, in a society where technology is advanced enough, Biotics will be an advantage - especially in the hands of a trained individual, but not any kind of a real threat to society itself. Not when modern assault weapons and trained swift response teams are part of the any kind of effective police force.

 

In fact, biotics are kind of low on the threat level scale compared to other types of cyberneticly enhanced transhumans.

 

Of course, fear and jealousy would be common, but I don't think that the drama would be as bad as others here claimed,

and that people would learn rather quickly that the average biotic is probably much less dangerous and prone to violence than a criminal with a knife.

[Quarian Master Race]

There might be some fear or suspiscion from people who are automatically prone to ignorance, but it's not as if being somewhat more powerful than the people surrounding you in daily life is something humans can't already do. In plenty of countries, you can carry weapons in public that can enable you to kill dozens of people around you quite easily and it isn't really a major problem to society (from a per captia perspective, isolated shootings or axe murders do still happen). In the ME universe, biotics aren't presented in a way where "normal" beings with conventional firearms or other abilites can't defeat them.

Admittedly, in places with superstitious, backward cultures and less developed legal infrastructes to protect such people, there might be more of a problem with things like infanticide or "witch hunts".

As for military use, I really don't see it being all that practical. It only works in this universe because its military technology is somehow less potent than that of the modern day. You don't have to shoot someone with a modern automatic weapon 20 times or 5-6 times in the head to kill them, but you do in these games with "health" enemies, and barriers are no tougher than health pools. How technology influences military tactics and combined arms warfare is an extremely broad subject with an absurd amount of details and variables, so most fiction writers just ignore it and go with "rule of cool" like Biotics, the Force etc.

[Janus382]

Guns > Powers in ME3 MP.  By that (shaky) logic, I don't see it having much military application (Sabotage, Tactical Cloak, Medi-gel could win wars, OTOH).

 

In the civilian field, construction and industry could be revolutionized, not to mention any other breakthroughs that could come from researching the phenomena.

 

As for public treatment... I'm not sure.  At the outset, I think they'd certainly be feared/discriminated against, but once they're understood it should be fine.  We don't fear people with extraordinary physical abilities (athleticism, martial prowess, etc), and biotics is mostly just that, but with some range.  There will always be some fringe groups though.

 

It could go the other way though, and have them reviled and persecuted to the extreme, because people be irrational.

[Heimerdinger]

Harry Potter would have been over fairly quickly if Harry had an AK47.

 

Not sure about Harry, but Gandalf seems to know what's what.

 

Spoiler

[Laughing_Man]

Regarding the effectiveness of a trained biotic in combat:

 

As others mentioned, a strong barrier would probably be the most useful in long to medium ranges.

Biotic Charge is also very important, used to close distances and avoid areas open to enemy fire - free movement is key to winning a battle.

 

In relatively close range is where biotics really shine: Can destroy cover, create explosions to destroy or stun without the need for grenades,

and generally act as a living battering ram.

 

Non-direct combat uses: Fighting in Zero-G will be easier for one who can influence gravity, also, lifting and moving heavy weights when needed.

 

Essentially with the right training Biotics can provide a substantial advantage almost in any situation.

[Undead Han]

Some speculation on how I think biotics might be organized and how they'd impact tactical doctrine, quoted from an old thread. 

 

 

In the real world small unit infantry tactics are dominated by the machine gun. Fire teams and squads are organized around them, and all small unit tactics revolve around them. You're either attempting to get your own machine guns into a position to do the most damage, suppressing an enemy so that maneuver element can outflank them, or you're seeking to eliminate the enemy's own machine guns. Probably all three at once. I'm simplifying things a bit but that really is the basis for all small unit tactics.

 

That isn't likely to have changed in the Mass Effect universe. The equipment is somewhat more advanced than what we currently use today, but its function is essentially the same. It isn't a radical departure from the weapons of today and thus the tactics crafted around them are going to be the same. A machine gun is still a machine gun regardless of whether it operates by belt-fed 7.62mm NATO rounds or uses thermal clips and mass accelerators and grain-sized steel shavings.

 

How does that relate to biotics?

 

Unlike the technological improvements to assault rifles and machine guns biotics do have the potential to alter small unit tactics somewhat.  At least at short range biotics are going to be as great of a threat as the machine guns and thus they are going to get the same high priority in deployment / protection / elimination. How much biotics alter small unit tactics would depend however on how common they are.

 

Is it ever stated in the games or in any of the books or comics how common biotics are among species that aren't biotic across the board, like pretty much everyone except the Asari? Would there be enough biotics that you could have one per fire team, just as you have one machine gun per fire team? If not, would there be enough for one per squad? In either case the inclusion of biotics at this very basic level would likely greatly alter small unit tactics. Tactics would now revolve around biotics as much they currently do around machine guns.

 

Or would they be too rare for either of those scenarios, and instead be specialized units (squads or platoons perhaps?) within a Weapons Company or a H & S Company that would be detached on an individual basis from the parent company and attached to line companies as needed? (sort of like snipers or anti-tank elements) In that scenario the machine gun would still remain the primary basis for small unit tactics, as the employment of biotics would be more situational.

 

In game with the Turian cabals and the units Jack and Kaiden were in command of, we do see some specialized biotic units. Still I'd have to expect that this would generally be the exception rather than the rule, as it would be the equivalent of fielding entire companies or platoons full of machine guns or snipers. Deploying en masse like that would ultimately an inefficient use of your personnel. You'd get more bang for your buck by spreading them out amongst the line companies.

[Silvair]

They'd be the xmen. Feared and hated for powers we don't understand.

Or we take human nature into account and they'd actually be The Brotherhood.

Biotics in humans is pathetically impractical so it'd mostly be a status thing, really.

[RanetheViking]

The government(s) would either try to control them for their own purpose or destroy/dissect them if they couldn't.

The 'common' people would fear and distrust them probably.  The jackass wannabe's would hound them to do party tricks, whilst the other side of the coin would say "they took our jobs".

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Depends...Normal people would likely accept them after being educated on "dafuq is up with this?" but Religious people would either deify them or call for their extermination

[Silvair]

That or it would just be treated like any other disease/deformity, since we likely wouldnt have biotic amps and special biotic training to produce practical applications, since they are only good for support tasks due to concentration required (think like assigning Jacks kids to barrier duty rather than getting them slaughtered on front lines) and its too taxing to use casually.

[Laughing_Man]

That or it would just be treated like any other disease/deformity, since we likely wouldnt have biotic amps and special biotic training to produce practical applications, since they are only good for support tasks due to concentration required (think like assigning Jacks kids to barrier duty rather than getting them slaughtered on front lines) and its too taxing to use casually.

 

Jack's "kids" are a bunch of punks wet behind their ears with no real military training.

All they got was probably less than a year's worth of training with Jack. So yeah, with them the correct decision would be to use them for support duties.

 

However, a biotic that actually completed biotic training, AND went through the N training program?

It's like I said above: Take the potential of a commando, add to it the extra tankiness of a strong Barrier, the extreme movement utility of Biotic Charge,

the ability to explode things without grenades, and in short range the ability to smash people into walls.

 

It's... respectable. Not god-like maybe, but a trained biotic operative would be a force to be reckoned with on the battlefield.

[Vazgen]

[Hrulj]

Thats actualy awesome

[caradoc2000]

We would give them antibiotics.