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#51
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That is correct. Just because someone was a user of the IGN vault in that they downloaded something from it does not give them the right to repost the work willy nilly around the internet. I am a big backer of the community Vault, and I'm also big on respecting author's wishes.

If Tarot wants his/her stuff removed from the "all nwn1 scripts" package that was made as part of the old vault scrape, then Tarot can ask the Vault admins to do so. I have no doubt they would comply with the request based on their conversations with content authors on the vault forums.

 

 

Invoke me by name and I feel compelled to respond. I would be happy to review the case in question, where are the documents available? Not all cases are the same and details matter. To change my mind all one must do, as stated prior, is provide some case law citation.



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Invoke me by name and I feel compelled to respond. I would be happy to review the case in question, where are the documents available? Not all cases are the same and details matter. To change my mind all one must do, as stated prior, is provide some case law citation.

 

Ever hear of Getty Images?



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Invoke me by name and I feel compelled to respond. I would be happy to review the case in question, where are the documents available? Not all cases are the same and details matter. To change my mind all one must do, as stated prior, is provide some case law citation.

Here you go, specifically nwn content taken from the IGN vault and used elsewhere without permission (they also stole bandwith from the Nexus).

 

http://forum.bioware...-your-thoughts/

 

http://forums.nexusm...t-index-system/

 

Their lawyer realized they were in trouble, there was no case. There was a video apology from their CEO.



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I have posted a thank you on the vault. TBH I never expected to spark a controversy on a related topic when I started this thread so can we please let it lie now.

 

TR


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#55
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Ever hear of Getty Images?

Yes and several others too. Got a link to the specific item?



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Yes precious... GRRMBL... NO NO NO dont let it die. Let us make TROUBLE, tears and pain! Yes precious :D


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Here you go, specifically nwn content taken from the IGN vault and used elsewhere without permission (they also stole bandwith from the Nexus).

 

http://forum.bioware...-your-thoughts/

 

http://forums.nexusm...t-index-system/

 

Their lawyer realized they were in trouble, there was no case. There was a video apology from their CEO.

 

Except that this 26 page long thread is not at all related to what is going on here. neverwintervault.org is doing none of the things that this 'gmod' was doing.

 

CASE LAW is what I seek as a link, not 26 pages of amateur arguments over an unrelated server doing dissimilar things.

 

Lawyer? where in the thread is a lawyer? If it is in there can you link to that page please? I  did not see one (but I did not read all 26 pages of amateur debate). Is there a relationship you see between these two situations neverwinternights.org and this gmod?



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Yes and several others too. Got a link to the specific item?

 

I assume you can take it from here.



#59
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I assume you can take it from here.

 

I thought you were talking about AFP v. Morel, where someone's uploaded content was redistributed by a user who incorrectly thought that the TOS that required that the users grant the site and its associates the right to redistribute, also granted those same rights to common users.

 

 

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And then there is Getty vs. Microsoft; settled out of court, but still about redistribution via Bing.



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I don't really have a strong opinion about the underlying legal issue in this thread. But, it's worth pointing out that settled case law is the relevant standard here for determining what the law says. Whether or not some material was pulled doesn't determine whether or not it legally needed to be pulled. The fact that someone got his lawyer to write a C&D letter or even that a case was filed and settled out of court and resulted in a site pulling some material has very little bearing on what the law actually is. Anyone who has examined such cases knows that are often settled on the grounds of what is less costly or less trouble rather than on what is or isn't strictly legal. Anyone who has had to make decisions regarding the material hosted on a site knows that there are often other considerations that have nothing to do with the legal merit of the complaint that end up deciding what action is taken.

 

For example, assume I am the owner of a fan site on which material related to a game is posted. Further, assume some material had been posted and one of the people claiming involvement in the creation of that material had their lawyer send me a strongly worded letter claiming he represents someone with a copyright claim on that material and implying that legal action was imminent if I didn't take the material down. Or even saying the civil proceedings were already underway and a case was on the docket. No matter what the legality of keeping the posted material up on my site (in other words, whether the complainant would likely win in court or not), my attorney is very likely to advise that I just take the material down, since fighting the case in court will be expensive to me even if I win and the marginal value of having the material up is very small. The latter is particularly true if the site in question is a fan site and there is either no revenue accruing to the owner by hosting the material or the only revenue is ad revenue, which will tend to be very small for this sort of material.

 

It's not until someone actually fights all the way through the court case that we find out what the law actually says for a particular case. Cases where someone got some material pulled without going that far often mean very little. It certainly does not mean that the law has definitively said that they were legally correct (or that they were not).

 

BTW, to be perfectly clear: I am not saying one way or the other what the legal disposition of the situation early in this thread would be. I am just saying that a claim that, "Here's a situation where someone complained or filed a case and the site decided to meet the complainant's demands, therefor the complainant was legally correct" is overdrawing its conclusion, unless the end of the story is, "... and the court ruled in favor of the complainant."



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unless the end of the story is, "... and the court ruled in favor of the complainant."

 

That was the ending of the one I linked.



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Tarot Redhand

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So can we now put this chimera of a thread to bed please?

 

TR



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This thread has run it's course and is now locked.


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