Its an alternate system you can still promote the old way by reseting your character if you want faster promotions. But for those who want to play a level 20 can still get promotions with a 50%+ penalty. It takes 1,5x times more xp for auto promotes. So nobody would be hurt and I would even still promote classes to level 1. (I just hate to level up specific classes so I would stay at 20 with them)
Its just an additional choice you get, nothing will be replaced.
That's it ,pb solved
No. No no no.
It's a trade off. You sacrifice your level 20 to gain a stat point that affects all of your characters. Do this enough, and you're SO much more powerful.
People that don't understand this, and play at level 20 don't get what this game is all about. It's a grind for sure. Keep at it, you'll get there, like the rest of us who've stuck with it for months.
As soon as you hit 20, just promote. You'll be level 20 again in no time anyway (2-3 hours if you've got a good Perilous group), or if you need to pug, run a few games in Threatening to get level 7/8, or 10 and then go back to Perilous.
Or, spend 1 day getting a ton of characters "Perilous Ready" and get all the ones you want to play around level 12-13. Then later, get a good group that will continue grinding out some Perilous. Promote one, switch to another class, promote that, switch again.
There's so much of the current game that we have that needs to be fixed. Don't whine about wanting free xp so you can play a level 20. That's a waste of the Dev's efforts to make this game better.
^ I couldn't have said it better myself.
What Innarra and SpaceVegan said, in triplicate. Think I promoted about a dozen toons over the weekend, and that was with not playing at all on Sunday.
Granted, I play with a slamtastic group of friends; thanks for the speed runs to finish my AW banner PS3 Inquisition crew!
I need to get in on that action. Our ps3 master-thread in the LFG subforum is starting off slow. But I feel like we can keep it semi stickied by bumping it every couple days. There is not really a lot of action over in that sub.
No. No no no.
It's a trade off. You sacrifice your level 20 to gain a stat point that affects all of your characters. Do this enough, and you're SO much more powerful.
People that don't understand this, and play at level 20 don't get what this game is all about. It's a grind for sure. Keep at it, you'll get there, like the rest of us who've stuck with it for months.
As soon as you hit 20, just promote. You'll be level 20 again in no time anyway (2-3 hours if you've got a good Perilous group), or if you need to pug, run a few games in Threatening to get level 7/8, or 10 and then go back to Perilous.
Or, spend 1 day getting a ton of characters "Perilous Ready" and get all the ones you want to play around level 12-13. Then later, get a good group that will continue grinding out some Perilous. Promote one, switch to another class, promote that, switch again.
There's so much of the current game that we have that needs to be fixed. Don't whine about wanting free xp so you can play a level 20. That's a waste of the Dev's efforts to make this game better.
Some people abhor the truly massive grind that it takes to achieve a high promotion rating, while also enjoying the gameplay of DAMP quite a bit. These people would still promote at a much slower rate than those who are hardcore about boosting promotions and feeling like unique snowflakes for their effort. The only reason to be against such an alteration to the promotion system is that you'd be butt hurt about no longer feeling special since there's no longer only one, long, grueling way to gain the stats that you have. The overall enjoyment and progression of players in DAMP should be of greater concern than someone's e-peen.
If you want the stats, you have to do a little work. I don't really feel that's unfair. Otherwise you can continue to enjoy the content as you do now: at level 20 with base stats.
If you want the stats, you have to do a little work. I don't really feel that's unfair. Otherwise you can continue to enjoy the content as you do now: at level 20 with base stats.
So long as no one looks down upon or boots someone because of low promotions (or none at all), regardless of difficulty or mode of play, then I suppose that's fine. If there's even a hint of elitism over promotions that is acted upon by the DAMP community...well then, we've got a problem.
So long as no one looks down upon or boots someone because of low promotions (or none at all), regardless of difficulty or mode of play, then I suppose that's fine. If there's even a hint of elitism over promotions that is acted upon by the DAMP community...well then, we've got a problem.
There is not currently a way to tell if someone is underpromoted. So someone with 5 promotions could have the perilous banner and whatever so from the lobby there is no visible cue. You wouldn't know until the storm dragon one shots them with their breath right after clicking the door.
Of course you can't tell at a glance, but get in a match with someone and pay attention to their performance, and you can get an idea as to whether or not they have low promotions. After that, the elitism can kick in at any time. And hell, I've recently heard of some people booting other players for simply playing as lv20 characters (they look down on those that don't make the most out of every match and promote the instant that they can for the incremental boost in stats). If that crap really is happening...SMH, the stupidity of people knows no bounds.
In regards to OP's original idea, why not just do away with leveling altogether then? It doesn't take that long to get all your characters to 20, and then you are basically done. You might as well just start off with lvl 20 characters and throw ability points around, respecing until you are pleased. Never mind the skill trees, which were carefully crafted so that the player would have to strategically plan their skill progression. As it currently stands, this process evolves as you gradually grow in power. Certain abilities become more useful than others. You can rely on more offensive builds instead of defense on your way to 20, experiment with party dynamics, etc.
Going back to level one is one of the best ways to realize how much stronger you've become after a good number of promotes.
Aside from fundamentally altering the nature of DAMP, OP's suggestion completely undermines the grinding done by more experience players, making their work retroactively count for much less. These same players will also be forced to take advantage the perma level 20 system to compete with friends and leaderboards. Unless the xp penalty for staying 20 is severly high, you will see these players easily doubling their promotion output, making the game even more unfair and unbalanced for newbies and casuals.
IMO the attention of the dev team should turn to connectivity issues that continue to plague the game across the board. Allowing friends to enjoy the game together should come before attempting to fix a system that really isn't broken.
Leader boards in an entirely co-op game mode is entirely about e-peen. That is not a good thing to be obsessed with, and is an invalid reason to be against altering the promotion system.
Leader boards in an entirely co-op game mode is entirely about e-peen. That is not a good thing to be obsessed with, and is an invalid reason to be against altering the promotion system.
Tell me how giving players the option to promote at a slower xp rate is damaging to those with high promotions? It would still be more beneficial to come in on a level 1 for the sake of double the xp gain. Then some of you might complain less about being matchmade with weaker pugs.
Some people abhor the truly massive grind that it takes to achieve a high promotion rating, while also enjoying the gameplay of DAMP quite a bit. These people would still promote at a much slower rate than those who are hardcore about boosting promotions and feeling like unique snowflakes for their effort. The only reason to be against such an alteration to the promotion system is that you'd be butt hurt about no longer feeling special since there's no longer only one, long, grueling way to gain the stats that you have. The overall enjoyment and progression of players in DAMP should be of greater concern than someone's e-peen.
As I was saying earlier the only reason to change the current promotion system is because you are truly butthurt, Felis if you truly abhor the grind than quit. Its seems your e-peen is the one that affected because you do not have the promotes others do. If you like DAMP play it the way it is like so many has gone before you. Stop stereotyping that everyone with promotion is an a**.
As I was saying earlier the only reason to change the current promotion system is because you are truly butthurt, Felis if you truly abhor the grind than quit. Its seems your e-peen is the one that affected because you do not have the promotes others do. If you like DAMP play it the way it is like so many has gone before you. Stop stereotyping that everyone with promotion is an a**.
I was trying to remember what you were saying. You must have been rudely interrupted. Good addition.
Fact: Everyone started the game on the same playing field. People who started when the game was new even dealt with numerous glitches....no dragon weapons...and no other players to carry them through their games as everyone had crap equipment and no cloth.
Well said.
As I was saying earlier the only reason to change the current promotion system is because you are truly butthurt, Felis if you truly abhor the grind than quit. Its seems your e-peen is the one that affected because you do not have the promotes others do. If you like DAMP play it the way it is like so many has gone before you. Stop stereotyping that everyone with promotion is an a**.
Again, you take my words and make them mean something else to suit your own interests (whoo, more strawman arguments!). My generalization about who would be against an alteration to the promotion system was broad, and perhaps unfair, but there are going to be people who fall into the category I mentioned. And as Courtneh brought up, there's no compelling reason to be against such an alteration to the promotion system, as it will not hurt those that have put forth the effort to gain a great amount of promotions thus far. If they continue to grind as they currently do, they will stay ahead, and their sense of accomplishment will remain intact.
Again, you take my words and make them mean something else to suit your own interests (whoo, more strawman arguments!). My generalization about who would be against an alteration to the promotion system was broad, and perhaps unfair, but there are going to be people who fall into the category I mentioned. And as Courtneh brought up, there's no compelling reason to be against such an alteration to the promotion system, as it will not hurt those that have put forth the effort to gain a great amount of promotions thus far. If they continue to grind as they currently do, they will stay ahead, and their sense of accomplishment will remain intact.
I do not mind you having your opinion but when you throw out words like butthurt and e-peen COME ON MAN! 
Yes that stereotyping , you are better than that Sir.
I do not mind you having your opinion but when you throw out words like butthurt and e-peen COME ON MAN!
Yes that stereotyping , you are better than that Sir.
Simply because it's a stereotype doesn't mean that there's nobody that fits it. I used the terms e-peen and butt hurt to condense that part of my post, simple as that. I could have elaborated on that part of the post, I just didn't feel like it in order to keep the post smaller (there's no such thing as bad or foul language; it's the intent behind it that matters, and my intent would have been the same with or without the use of "e-peen" and "butt hurt"). And you are also better than twisting what another person says into something else to suit your own purposes. Or maybe you're not; I don't know. I don't know you. Now that this misunderstanding is out of the way, time to get back on topic (though I feel at this point we'd just be regurgitating what's already been said).
Bioware has already clearly stated they have no plans to change the current promotion system.
This horse is dead, quit beating it.
Bioware has already clearly stated they have no plans to change the current promotion system.
This horse is dead, quit beating it.
But it hasn't laid any eggs yet!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bioware has already clearly stated they have no plans to change the current promotion system.
This horse is dead, quit beating it.
I recall that the devs didn't initially have plans to put out any major balance changes for DAMP, so I wouldn't say that an alteration to the promotion system is an impossibility. And even if that never happens, I have to say I'm surprised at how up in arms some folks got over just the thought such a change. It wouldn't be that big of a deal, pure and simple.
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