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[LightningPoodle]

Did I say anything about just praise? I said bashing lacks the nuance of constructive conversation. The op's comments aren't constructive. They're just more bashing.

 

But that is still criticism, and all criticism is constructive. It's not up to you to decide what is and isn't constructive when it isn't you making the game. It's why there are forums, so that people can go and leave feedback. Sure, this time it isn't detailed in what "should" be changed in the OP's opinion, but the fact that another person amongst many have said they didn't enjoy the game is providing it's own feedback all on it's own.

[Al Foley]

But that is still criticism, and all criticism is constructive. It's not up to you to decide what is and isn't constructive when it isn't you making the game. It's why there are forums, so that people can go and leave feedback. Sure, this time it isn't detailed in what "should" be changed in the OP's opinion, but the fact that another person amongst many have said they didn't enjoy the game is providing it's own feedback all on it's own.

But there is a difference, in how it is handled, and how the explanation is.  

 

I think the difference could be as simple as "I hate your guts."  Or "I hate your guts because..."  (granted even the latter is not that constructive)

[Shechinah]

Somewhat definitions and short explanations for those interested:

 

"Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the works of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of constructive criticism is to improve the outcome (...) Constructive criticism is more likely be embraced if the criticism is timely, clear, specific, detailed and actionable." - Wikipedia on Constructive criticism. 

 

"Criticism performed with the intention to harm someone, derogate and destroy someone's creation, prestige, reputation and self-esteem" - Wiktionary on destructive criticism.

 

The opening post offers no details, no specifications and no examples of which can taken into consideration as feedback and therefore I would not consider that this post offer any constructive criticism. 

[Heimdall]

Criticism that amounts to "Dragon Age: Inquisition is bad and you should feel bad for liking it", isn't constructive.

[Pressedcat]

Constructive criticism comes in many forms, and not just in praise. If something is bad, you don't tell the person who made it that it is good, because then they just make more bad things. But if you tell them that it is bad, then they are more likely to improve on aspects of it so that it is not bad. See how criticism works? Being nice is not always a good thing.

You're kind of missing the point: CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is INFORMATIVE.

'Your game is rubbish' might be criticism, but it certainly isn't informative.

'I found that there was not enough down-time written into the main storyline, which resulted in me feeling like some of the secondary regions were extraneous and visiting them would be counterproductive to the effort of saving Thedas in a timely manner' would give the developers an idea about not only what I disliked about the game, but why and a possible (and affordable) way to rectify it.

Genuine constructive criticism actually takes a bit of thought and time to write.

Barraging the boards with new and creative ways to say 'I HATE THIS GAME' might make a lot of noise, but none of it is useful as the developers simply learn to tune it out like the white noise it is.

[SardaukarElite]

BioWare will only start making good games again after you all apologise.

 

And you have to mean it.

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition is...

(...)

Luke Skywalker's REAL father?

 

No, that's impossible!

[LightningPoodle]

But there is a difference, in how it is handled, and how the explanation is.  

 

I think the difference could be as simple as "I hate your guts."  Or "I hate your guts because..."  (granted even the latter is not that constructive)

 

Sure, there is a difference between good and bad criticism (not "Yay this is amazing, well done" or "Boo... this is bad" but in how criticism and feedback is given and handled), but that doesn't change the fact that it is still feedback, and someone who doesn't appreciate all types of feedback isn't doing the best job they can do. You need good and bad feedback if you want to make something better.

[Scofield]

I love DA2 an apart from 5 minutes of ME3 love that game as-well, so in regards to wee and us do speak for yourself thnxz

 

In regards to DA:I, it like most every other game i have ever played in the last 30 years,  it has problems and also has things i dislike (namely what they did to the skill tress, or lack there of) but again dont speak for me as i do still enjoy the game

[Ariella]

But that is still criticism, and all criticism is constructive. It's not up to you to decide what is and isn't constructive when it isn't you making the game. It's why there are forums, so that people can go and leave feedback. Sure, this time it isn't detailed in what "should" be changed in the OP's opinion, but the fact that another person amongst many have said they didn't enjoy the game is providing it's own feedback all on it's own.

The op offers no feedback at all. That is, by no definition I know of, constructive. And while I'm not the one making the game. I am one of the people here who enjoyed it and I find it beyond annoying to have threads get clogged up with new ways to bash or whine about Bioware, Dragon Age, EA etc.

And yes, I've dropped any number of them in the ignore file, but it's like HYDRA...

[pdusen]

lol I suppose that explains why DA I is so terrible

 

Stop.

[pdusen]

But that is still criticism, and all criticism is constructive.

 

Yeah, that's nonsense.

 

^ An example of how criticism can be non-constructive.

[Kevorka]

It would be better if we did not have to log in to play. That is why it slows down some times. I would love it if we only had to log into play the multiplayer.

[Al Foley]

I have already explained why I don't like the game in other threads I don't need to list all the reasons in every thread again

 

Again without going too much into detail (I can do that too): short story, bland protagonist, generic villian, unsatisfying ending, lifeless open world, fetch quests etc.

 

I think its more because some people here can't deal with any sort of criticism

And, I just find it fascinating mind you, I had the exact opposite reaction to everything you have said in the game...except for the fetch quests.  

[Al Foley]

Whats so fascinating about it? Its all subjective anway

 

For an example I think DA2 is a great game but most would probably disagree with me

Great might be stretching it but I did enjoy it more then Origins...

[PCThug]

BIOWARE DEFENCE FORCE ASSEMBLE!

 

 

I've quite enjoyed playing it these last six months. Although I do think Bioware should learn a lesson regarding mounts: just because people think they want a thing, sometimes they don't know what they want. They said they wanted mounts; what they actually wanted was Mount and Blade.

True, and also true that when they get taken out of the next game we'll get plenty of posts that lament their absence.

[Ariella]

True, and also true that when they get taken out of the next game we'll get plenty of posts that lament their absence.

Especially after years of 'why can't we have mounts' going as far back as the NWN oc.

[FKA_Servo]

True, and also true that when they get taken out of the next game we'll get plenty of posts that lament their absence.

 

A day ending in "y" on the BSN:

 

ME1: "I hate the mako! It's terrible!"

ME2: "What happened to the Mako?!?!"

 

[Al Foley]

On the subject of mounts (since I missed the edit), I really would have liked them to have mounts for each one of your companions to.  

[Greetsme]

I think you'd find that many of the posters here that Greetsme and John Sheparrd would characterize as "biodrones" are actually super into giving constructive criticism. I know I don't tend to stay quiet when Bioware does something I think is stupid (which is often). There isn't a single thing in this thread that would constitute constructive criticism.

 

If you want to take a look at Greetsme's post history (and, in fact, their contributions to this very thread), you'll note it's light on constructive criticism and heavy on grandstanding trolling.  S/he's going for pageviews and post counts. Hence, the reception.

 

Biodrones.  What a lovely word.  May I use it in future posts?

[Shechinah]

Biodrones.  What a lovely word.  May I use it in future posts?

It's not a new word, I believe, I've seen it around before I think though not in this context.