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[FemShem]

Yes, I loved Origins; it's a great piece.  I love Inquisition, you can totally get lost in the massive world and quest forever.

That being said I love the b@sterd son of DA the most.  DA2.  Why?  

There are so many things to complain about...Chiefly: redundancy of settings, it's not DA: Origins (as far as I can tell it's largest crime), you have to be a human, you only save a city not the world or universe or whatnot, the seven year plot structure wasn't thought out, and some of it doesn't make sense under analysis.

On the Inverse:
The game is fun with plenty of action (best DA game for action IMHO), the depth of the characters, party banter, and storyline work for the most part and are a good rgp experience (this is a more very true for rogue or warrior--not as true for mage), friend/rivalry option is fantastic (points if you love me or hate me...no opinion...worth nothing), it did NOT make the mistake almost all sequels make and just rehash the original with the original characters.  No fantasy/sci-fi rpg plot can hold up under intense scrutiny...can you suspend your disbelief...mostly yep.  I had an easier time with Hawke than I did with my Warden (non-speaking issue for me) or Inquisitor (never could get one to match up with my personality as I could with Hawke).  

OMG? Did I just admit I liked to RP Hawke?  Why will the earth (or thedas) not open up and devour me when I really need it 2?

People hold DA2 accountable for not being Origins.  We had Origins.  We didn't need a rehashing of Origins.  I think most people were sad that their Warden was gone, I was, but I would have resented a voiced Warden in DA2 that didn't match my creation in Origins or was somehow not compatible.  This probably would have been great if they didn't call it DA2 and called it DA's favorite Cousin or something...'Something Strange is Afoot at the Thedas Circle' (okay not quite so Bill and Ted, but if they made it a kissing cousin and billed it as so, I think the audience would have been more receptive, but I think the product (writing and action wise) was really good.  Take it up with Marketing, not the writers or game designers.

There are others who liked this game, yes?  

Sure 90 percent of you will think I'm crazy, but that's the same percentage for heteronormativity anyway (ignore my 10 percent solution joke...it hurts in many ways...yet I can't redact it...ouch).

I love the Isabela romance, especially rivalry.  Am I insane?  I felt a stronger reaction to Leandra dying than I did too most of DA:I (that being said I was devastated when my clan died...but then nothing...only huge writing error in DA:I).  I couldn't imagine playing the game without Isabela, but you don't have to pick her up as a party member.

Yes, I wish there was more to DA2 and it wasn't rushed.  It feels like an amazing rough draft.  Outside the DA and ME series, I think DA2 as a standalone is a hot rpg.  I thought the dialogue that was written and acted out was fab, good casting and good writing.

 

Who else has DA2 love guilt like an 80's movie gone awry...did I really put Jumping Jack Flash on my top ten next to Amelie?

 

[KaiserShep]

I feel no guilt. I unapologetically love the game. I greatly enjoy playing a lippy scoundrel that kills the enemy in droves and laughs about it, lurks around the underbelly of a rotten city, is flippant toward its authority figures and gets to travel around with a band of miscreants. And as icing on the cake, I get to totally murder the hell out of a Duke in Orlais. Fantastic.

[renfrees]

You don't have to be ashamed of loving DA2. It's a good game with great characters and refreshing story.

[Sah291]

Yes, I love it too. I didn't play it when it first came out, but I wish I had. It has its flaws, but I like it a lot and I don't feel guilty about that at all.

[Bob Walker]

Everybody has the right to like whatever s/he wants to like. And I like DA2 too.

[Marika Haliwell]

same here sarcastic hawke ftw

[Marika Haliwell]

I love DA2 too Sarcastic Hawke ftw .. and has Cullen in it

[sjsharp2011]

Yeah I love all 3 game4s but each of them for different reasons. DA2 maybe a smaller story than the other 2 games but for me it makes up for that in other areas. Because it's quite a light hearted humorous game in places e4spe4ciaqlly in the areas where Varric tries miserably  to put himself in he shoes of being the hero when Cassandra can see right through that. DAO and DAI both have bigger grander stories but they do sometimes lack the homour of DA2. I'm not saying that DAO and DAI don't have any humorous scenes because all  3 do. But DA2 seems to do it better than the others at least for me

[helloxina]

Nothing wrong with liking DA2. I'll be the first to say I didn't enjoy as much as DA:O and sometimes it's hard when a series has a ground breaking game for others to follow suit with out garnering immediate comparison (look at how some people hate every Final Fantasy that isn't 7!). If I had to compare I would say DA:O was better but just as a game 2 has good dialogue, some really good party banter and mostly well thought out companions.The idea of it being a plot on a smaller scale of just a city also doesn't bother me. It makes sense to me, Hawke is almost a solo force, as opposed to part of a legendary order so it makes sense their achievements would need to be on a smaller scale. It had unfulfilled potential and was too rushed but it's still enjoyable.

[SmilesJA]

Dragon 2 is a criminally underrated game with memorable characters and a look of how a person tries save a city while at the same protect their family.

[Ieldra]

It's just too bad about DA2. It's significant failings made people overlook its signficant virtues.

 

I think DA2 has the best story of all DA games. Hawke's story feels immediately personal, and the absence of a "save the world" plot contributes to the fact that it feels "naturally real" in a way DAO or DAI don't manage. It's roleplaying is also good - oddly enough, both more limited and less limited than DAI's at the same time, since you often have as many options in conversation but they have a more limited scope, so there's more granularity but less freedom for overall characterization.

 

Having said that, the story's biggest failing lies in chapter 3 and in the extreme characterization of the warring parties (mages and templars). The excessive use of the "insane evil" stereotype almost ruins things, since it turns people into things you can exterminate without thought, and "evil infused by artifact or ritual" cheapens the moral dimension of any story.

 

As for the action, in that I passionately disagree with the OP. In general, a signficant part of people's disenchantment with DA2 has to do with its being an actionized sequel of DAO. I recall David Silverman's notorious statement that "you press a button and something awesome happens", which coined the term "awesome-button" and completely overlooks that the awesome tends to turn into parody if it becomes commonplace. Parody - that's the only term I can find for DA2's combat animations. Add that there apparently was a design decision that every encounter has to end in combat, even at the price of character integrity, and you end up with combat gameplay that manages the singular feat of almost ruining the story. As a rule, I am not easily bothered by combat mechanics and encounter designs I don't like. DA2's made my write one rant after the other. 

 

So in the end, I have a love/hate relationship with DA2. Story good, roleplaying good, location design bad, combat atrocious. I also like my Hawkes - or rather liked them, until DAI managed to put words into their mouths I avoid like the plague for any character I ever play.

[Teddie Sage]

I feel no guilt. I unapologetic love the game.

Same. Haters gonna hate.

[1973tiberius]

+1.

 

While I readily accept that DAO is the better quality game, I enjoyed DA2 so much more than DAO. Sarcastic Hawke + Varric + Isabella = fun times.

[Sah291]

However, after playing through DAO, DA2 and then DAI in that order, I love DA2 even more. You can actually see the story for DAI forming through the other games and I realized then that all 3 games fit together and completed missing pieces of the puzzle that others would miss if they skipped a game.

Yep I enjoyed DAI even more after playing DAI. You can see all the foreshadowing they put into the story (and not just in the Legacy DLC).

[SmilesJA]

Playing DAI made me want replay DA2 all over again. While I like Inquistion, DA2's smaller more personal story drew me in and the characters were deep and relatable as well.

[Greypaul]

Its no where near as good as DAO and he's no warden but I thoroughly enjoyed DA2 and playing as a rogue Hawke , no guilt here .

[thruaglassdarkly]

No shame here.  I like them all for what they are.  DAII is a narrowly-focused, character-driven role-play and it does this very well.  Is isn't perfect, but few games even approach perfection. I always my time in Kirkwall.

[Rxdiaz]

Nothing wrong with loving DA2. Just like there's nothing wrong with hating it. I personally hated it. But everyone is entitled to their opinion....

[line_genrou]

After playing DAI I decided to replay DA2.

Before, DA2 was awful and just boring. I decided, you know what, let's try again and I'm really gonna try and make a Hawke that I like.

My other playthroughts was with a mage and diplomatic Hawke. It was unbearable to me, so incredibly boring that character was.

 

So I went with the sarcastic Hawke most of the game. Changed a lot of things, got his appearance just right, downloaded some basic mods for the game, nothing drastic and went with warrior, so I got Bethany alive (she's awesome).

Suddenly my Hawke became an interesting character. He was awesome.

 

I like how DA2 is so much more focused than DAI. The story is also better, more personal.

You don't get a Hawke origin, but you go through his struggles and hard times. The inquisitor has nothing of the sort so you don't really empathize with your character.

[YouKnowMyName]

I too love DAII, and I feel no guilt about it.

 

Usually, I have a hard time connecting to the companions/squadmates of various games, but DAII was truly an exception. It is the only game I can remember feeling that the companions were friends, and not some people I worked with just because I needed them.

 

The characters relationship with Hawke and each other, really made this game feel unique.

[Ambivalent]

I liked it back then, i still like it.

 

I also think Hawke was better choice than Warden, felt more "human" with his/her imperfections. I also liked "companions with personalities" instead of "As long as you pass persuasion check you can make anything to them" in Origins.

 

Only thing that bothered me was over used "same looking places" but well it was placed in a city and its surrounding area. I might be minority but instead of having open world filled with useless crap i prefer to be "on rails" so to speak.

 

As long as you're having fun, forget about what others saying. 

 

PS: I'm one of minority that didn't like DA:I's changes. I didn't like Oblivion and Fallout 3. Skyrim was "so so". Contrary to my signature i have no hopes about Fallout 4 as long as Bethesda hasn't hired a few talented writers. Never played WoW but played tons of MMOs. Didn't like Borderlands. Alpha Protocol was really nice. Never could get into Witcher. We all have interesting ideas/choices

[Iakus]

DA2 isn't a bad game.  It's not as good as DAO, imo, but I find that to be a game that's had to top.

 

DA2 certainly has its share of flaws, much of which seem to be traced to lack of time and resources.  But ultimately it's a decent game.