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[Legion of 1337]

 as long as issues are fixed relatively quickly.

This is an EA game.

[andy6915]

This is an EA game.

 

Yeah. Does the male elf Inquisitor's arms look good yet? Does gathering storm work yet? Are the very odd visual glitches for some pieces of armor fixed yet? No? Thought not.

[The Elder King]

Yeah. Does the male elf Inquisitor's arms look good yet? No. Does gathering storm work yet? Are the very odd visual glitches for some pieces of armor fixed yet? No? Thought not.

Did they say the male elven arms Are caused by a bug/glitch? I Thought it was a design choice.

[andy6915]

Did they say the male elven arms Are caused by a bug/glitch? I Thought it was a design choice.

 

Concave arms and chests are not "design choice(s)". Especially when no other elf in the game has it.

 

[Legion of 1337]

Yeah. Does the male elf Inquisitor's arms look good yet? Does gathering storm work yet? Are the very odd visual glitches for some pieces of armor fixed yet? No? Thought not.

My biggest issue is that dragons are too easy to glitch out. I haven't tried it on all the dragons yet, but so far I've verified the Hinterlands and Crestwood dragons can be killed by standing in certain places where their AI simply won't attack you for some reason. Then I just put my pencil holder on top of the fire button and go do something else for a while and when I come back the dragon is dead.

[andy6915]

My biggest issue is that dragons are too easy to glitch out. I haven't tried it on all the dragons yet, but so far I've verified the Hinterlands and Crestwood dragons can be killed by standing in certain places where their AI simply won't attack you for some reason. Then I just put my pencil holder on top of the fire button and go do something else for a while and when I come back the dragon is dead.

 

That's... Useful. I don't like using exploits, but I would be curious on how to replicate that.

[midnight tea]

It's funny how we can go from friendly to spitting venom from one post to the next. Anyway, I like that image. I just brought Bull to the bad future quest earlier, and heard him singing the bottle version of that song in his cell.

 

Why qualify our exchange as "spitting venom"? I disagree with your assessments and opinions in this particular thread, but I'm not even as snarky as I could be and my responses are generally civil, polite and to the point. 

 

Though I think this is the core of the problem with heat arising quickly on this forum or Internet in general - that many people are quick to paint even the mildest disagreement as "spitting venom" or "aggression". It only builds frustration when one or both sides have to start defending oneself from accusations of venom-spitting or whatnot, or when another labels one as aggressive and there's nothing really that can be done, because no matter what a person will say, it will almost always be painted as some sort of attack. I mean, why even go that way?

 

Generally I am very much against such rhetoric, which is exactly why I disagree with your tone (or some of you-tubers you linked) or attitude towards, say, feminists, because it's NOT a tone of discussion that goes anywhere other than shout matches or quick derailment of the topic. And like I said - there are still topics considering some gender issues that are worth at least discussing through.

[andy6915]

Why qualify our exchange as "spitting venom"? I disagree with your assessments and opinions in this particular thread, but I'm not even as snarky as I could be and my responses are generally civil, polite and to the point. 

 

Though I think this is the core of the problem with heat arising quickly on this forum or Internet in general - that many people are quick to paint even the mildest disagreement as "spitting venom" or "aggression". It only builds frustration when one or both sides have to start defending oneself from accusations of venom-spitting or whatnot, or when another labels one as aggressive and there's nothing really that can be done, because no matter what a person will say, it will always be painted as some sort of attack. I mean, why even go that way?

 

Generally I am very much against such rhetoric, which is exactly why I disagree with your tone (or some of you-tubers you linked) or attitude towards, say, feminists, because it's NOT a tone of discussion that goes anywhere other than shout matches or quick derailment of the topic. And like I said - there are still topics considering some gender issues that are worth at least discussing through.

 

Karen's vid was definitely not nice toned, but that was the point. Sargon's vid about the wage gap is rather even toned, he does curse and isn't afraid of doing so to emphasize but doesn't use it to demean anyone or start an argument with anyone. Though he can get angry during his "this week in stupid" vids that I love to death, where he highlights everything stupid that happened that week. Not just about feminism either, sometimes that only gets a small mention or 2 depending on the week.

[Legion of 1337]

That's... Useful. I don't like using exploits, but I would be curious on how to replicate that.

With the Crestwood dragon, stand on the end of the closest rock formation on the ridge overlooking the ruins where it lands. If you stand on the end of it, you'll be inside its "trigger" zone which allows you to target it (its name pops up at the top, etc). Your ranged companions don't attack from that kind of distance so they'll run down and start attacking it. Melee companions will run to it, but will go outside their 'proximity' range just before they get to the dragon and teleport back to you, so they won't be able to damage it. Haven't done it multiple times so I don't know whether this is consistent, but when I did it the dragon's AI didn't turn on or something. It never attacked, it just stood there.

 

The Hinterlands dragon can be killed by standing in the canyon leading to the place where it lands. There are is a certain spot along it (don't know how to describe where, it's a spot about midway down the canyon) where it can't hit you but is in plain shot of your attacks, so you can just plug away at it and it will never be able to hit you. It will attack you companions, but if you stand there and don't move up with them it can't hit you.

[andy6915]

With the Crestwood dragon, stand on the end of the closest rock formation on the ridge overlooking the ruins where it lands. If you stand on the end of it, you'll be inside its "trigger" zone which allows you to target it (its name pops up at the top, etc). Your ranged companions don't attack from that kind of distance so they'll run down and start attacking it. Melee companions will run to it, but will go outside their 'proximity' range just before they get to the dragon and teleport back to you, so they won't be able to damage it. Haven't done it multiple times so I don't know whether this is consistent, but when I did it the dragon's AI didn't turn on or something. It never attacked, it just stood there.

 

The Hinterlands dragon can be killed by standing in the canyon leading to the place where it lands. There are is a certain spot along it (don't know how to describe where, it's a spot about midway down the canyon) where it can't hit you but is in plain shot of your attacks, so you can just plug away at it and it will never be able to hit you. It will attack you companions, but if you stand there and don't move up with them it can't hit you.

 

I... Huh... That's going to be hard to follow. Too bad you can't make a video. Don't feel bad if you can't, I have no idea how to do youtube videos of my games either.

[Heimdall]

In my observation, most people who claim to hate feminism really just hate the claims of certain self-described feminists that may or may not have strange ideas about what "equality" actually means or talk about problems that may or may not actually exist.

And that's all I'll say on the matter.

[Hiemoth]

In my observation, most people who claim to hate feminism really just hate the claims of certain self-described feminists that may or may not have strange ideas about what "equality" actually means or talk about problems that may or may not actually exist.

And that's all I'll say on the matter.

 

I would actually a littel further than that and argue that the people mentioned hate what they think the claims are in most cases while almost willfully ignoring what is really said.

[Heimdall]

I would actually a littel further than that and argue that the people mentioned hate what they think the claims are in most cases while almost willfully ignoring what is really said.

Eh, I've seen plenty of that behavior on both sides of it.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

In my observation, most people who claim to hate feminism really just hate the claims of certain self-described feminists that may or may not have strange ideas about what "equality" actually means or talk about problems that may or may not actually exist.

Never knew how to describe it nearly as well as you did, but this is exactly how I feel too. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@andy6915:  The question is, why do you care so much about feminism?

I know, you gave the answer, because you had a bad personal experience and now you want to... what... fight back?

If you think my post several pages back was completely directed at you... that's my error.  Only the first sentence was directed at you.  No, I didn't watch your video because I'm not worried about the "pay gap" one way or another.  I'm a business owner who pays on merit - not on gender.  So I'm already well past whatever battles your fighting against the two girls that so deeply scarred you.

 

The rest of my post was "in general" - since this thread actually isn't about feminism and the pay gap myth as much as you've made it your personal soap box.

 

I still have no reason to believe your crazy over that of a feminists.  I'm inclined to think you both have agendas - or "isms" as you called it... though yours is personal.  And I believe we've come to at least a consensus that "isms"... are pretty much universally bad.

[Toasted Llama]

Feminism and videogames in one thread? Has Miss Sarkeesian been mentioned yet?

 

That said; there's bad apples in every ideology/movement/group; which is exactly the reason why I don't identify or fully agree with any ideology/movement/group.
 

 

 

Back on topic (pardon me if I haven't read every single post yet):

 

I think no matter how you handle female characters in a game, you just can't win or please everyone.

Female character capable of the same things as a male character? Man-with-****** character.

Female character looks masculine? "Where's muh b00bs?" "As a straight, male gamer, the main demograph....."

Female character look feminine? "Objectification!" "Sexism!"

 

Articles like the one in the OP only add fuel to a fire that has been burning for far too long now.

[Urzon]

I was once suspended from school because 2 girls who didn't like me decided to make of accusations of sexual harassment. They warned me ahead of time, and I told them it wouldn't work. They basically said that being female means they'll be believed by default, and that them going together would pretty much mean gameover for me. I doubted them right until I was called into the principals office.
 
Does that count as madness?

Sounds like one of those types of events that happens when people are young that subconsciously influences their opinions on the matter at a later point in their life.

[andy6915]

What does any of that have to do with feminism.

Much of it. Feminism has great control over the legal system, their "science" and "studies" are written in a way to fit the feminist narrative. I don't think you realize how powerful feminism is with how it's basically taken over the legal system and academia. You want proof of the claim that they skew studies to fit their narrative? In every rape study a feminist organization does, they count "being made to penetrate" as something other than rape so that the study can completely discount male rape victims and female perpetrators. And then that causes the legal system to go with that definition, a woman climbing onto a guy's dick and riding it while he's drunk and unconscious doesn't even count as rape according to the courts.

 

Feminism is the direct cause of just about every single thing I listed. They're all about their narrative, and that narrative effects the legal system. It's like western countries are a theocracy, except feminism is the religion in power.

[andy6915]

Sounds like one of those types of events that happens when people are young that subconsciously influences their opinions on the matter at a later point in their life.

No. How about you stop playing arm chair psychology and assuming a story is more significant than it is because it makes it easier to simply discount an opinion you wish to smother out?

[The Baconer]

Much of it. Feminism has great control over the legal system, their "science" and "studies" are written in a way to fit the feminist narrative. I don't think you realize how powerful feminism is with how it's basically taken over the legal system and academia. You want proof of the claim that they skew studies to fit their narrative? In every rape study a feminist organization does, they count "being made to penetrate" as something other than rape so that the study can completely discount male rape victims and female perpetrators. And then that causes the legal system to go with that definition, a woman climbing onto a guy's dick and riding it while he's drunk and unconscious doesn't even count as rape according to the courts.

 

Feminism is the direct cause of just about every single thing I listed. They're all about their narrative, and that narrative effects the legal system. It's like western countries are a theocracy, except feminism is the religion in power.

 

I wouldn't associate any of that with "feminism" any more than I would associate, say, Westboro Baptist Church or Nigerian witch hunts with Christianity.

[andy6915]

I wouldn't associate any of that with "feminism" any more than I would associate, say, Westboro Baptist Church or Nigerian witch hunts with Christianity.

 

Well those aren't highly funded by public aid and governmental funding, imbedded in academia that models the next generation of adults, don't have any political pull, or social economic pull, don't have study after study intentionally skewing results and scientific papers to fit their narrative. But sure, they're exactly the same thing .

[TheJiveDJ]

I doubt Panda is ignoring the characters like the sorceresses, Yennefer, or Ciri. I think his problem, one that is also shared with other gamers as well, is that they are a part of the lone few examples of strong female characters in TW series with the vast majority of the rest of the gender suffering the ill fate of background rape, assault, sexual objectification, and/or all around general oppression.

The atmosphere of TW is suppose to be "dark, gritty, and realistic", but the shiny few examples doesn't always counter out all the negative examples when it comes to a gamer's take away perception of the game.

If you ignore the fact that they posses two X chromosomes, you'd realize that anyone in the game who doesn't have money or power, regardless of their sex, is a poor peasant who gets crapped on by pretty much everyone. This has been a common thread throughout human history. The powerful prey on the powerless. This game adheres to the lore of The Witcher books and has not strayed terribly far throughout the series. Yes, it is based during times when there was blatant and overt sexism toward women, but equally so toward men. Men were expected to go to battle and die for causes that were not their own simply because penis; men were expendable and are still largely viewed this way in contemporary times.

As a man playing this game, does it bother me that most enemy NPC's are faceless men without back stories or personalities being sent to slaughter by my blade because penis? Should it? No. Methinks the Internet would have a huge problem with endless waves of women being put in my way though. Why? Maybe because we value female lives more than a man's? Just a thought. Now everyone just needs to calm the hell down with the SJW crap for the love of all that is sacred and holy.

[The Baconer]

Well those aren't highly funded, imbedded in academia that models the next generation of adults, don't have any political pull, or social economic pull,

 

Don't lead in with something like this when you clearly don't know what you're talking about (Nigeria).

 

 

But sure, they're exactly the same thing .

 

Well no, I never said it was the same thing as the movement in which children are being disowned, mutilated, and killed.

[duckley]

@andy6915

I get your point, although I wouldn't necessarily blame feminism but rather how ideas are often taken to a level never intended.

The pendulum has probably swung a bit too far to right previous wrongs. A culture of entitlement and political correctness has somehow obliterated good old fashion common sense!

 As an aside, and somewhat related, my personal peeve is that as a society, many hear a few bits and bites of news and somehow think they are educated in a particular subject. Few people dig deep, research, study, question and challenge - its actually a bit scary!

[Urzon]

No. How about you stop playing arm chair psychology and assuming a story is more significant than it is because it makes it easier to simply discount an opinion you wish to smother out?

I wasn't trying to discount or smother out your opinion, but is saying that that personal experience could possibly effect people's opinion on a matter considered bad now? That argument can be used both ways you know. Feminists who have a bad experience with men would have a colored opinion of them, and visa versa.