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Interesting article from Kotaku's Nathan Grayson about portrayal of women in games. DA:I is also mentioned in it.


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Well no, I never said it was the same thing as the movement in which children are being disowned, mutilated, and killed.

 

Okay, you got me. Yes, feminism has never actually burned a cross into someone's yard or hanged someone from a tree yet. So okay, they're not quite as a bad. Well... Maybe. They did kill the dog of the woman who made the first battered woman's shelter and made constant death threats that forced her to leave the country when she had the audacity to attempt a battered men's shelter not much longer after making the female one and attempted to challenge feminist narrative that men are always the bad ones.

 

http://www.nationalp...84-f6499938f3b0

 

So maybe they're also not as far from the KKK as you want to admit.



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being female means they'll be believed by default

 

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Okay, you got me. Yes, feminism has never actually burned a cross into someone's yard or hanged someone from a tree yet. So okay, they're not quite as a bad. Well... Maybe. They did kill the dog of the woman who made the first battered woman's shelter and made constant death threats that forced her to leave the country when she had the audacity to attempt a battered men's shelter not much longer after making the female one and attempted to challenge feminist narrative that men are always the bad ones.

 

http://www.nationalp...84-f6499938f3b0

 

So maybe they're also not as far from the KKK as you want to admit.

 

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whooooooosh

 

Yeah yeah, Nigeria. I never compared feminism to there, I compared them to the KKK. So why are you bring that up?



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Yeah yeah, Nigeria. I never compared feminism to there, I compared them to the KKK. So why are you bring that up?

 

 

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Okay, keep being a troll instead of explaining. That makes such a fine point. Does it make you feel superior, or make you feel like some brilliant debater of amazing wit?



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Okay, keep being a troll instead of explaining. That makes such a fine point. Does it make you feel superior, or make you feel like some brilliant debater of amazing wit?

 

No, any feelings of superiority would be derived from you chronically missing the initial point, and then grasping at strange left-field comparisons that retroactively strengthen said point. (KKK? Like, what?)


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No, any feelings of superiority would be derived from you chronically missing the initial point, and then grasping at strange left-field comparisons that retroactively strengthen said point. (KKK? Like, what?)

 

Yeah, KKK. As in a hate movement that loves making the lives of their enemy worse, whether it be people of dark skin color or men. I already pointed out a woman who's dog was shot as an intentional hate crime against her for arguing the feminist narrative, does it need to be a white guy in a Klan hood shooting a black guy's dog for you to get the connection?



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If you ignore the fact that they posses two X chromosomes, you'd realize that anyone in the game who doesn't have money or power, regardless of their sex, is a poor peasant who gets crapped on by pretty much everyone. This has been a common thread throughout human history. The powerful prey on the powerless. This game adheres to the lore of The Witcher books and has not strayed terribly far throughout the series. Yes, it is based during times when there was blatant and overt sexism toward woman, but equally so toward men. Men were expected to go to battle and die for causes that were not their own simply because penis; men were expendable and are still largely viewed this way in contemporary times.

As a man playing this game, does it bother me that most enemy NPC's are faceless men without back stories or personalities being sent to slaughter by my blade because penis? Should it? No. Methinks the Internet would have a huge problem with endless waves of women being put in my way though. Why? Maybe because we value female lives more than a man's? Just a thought. Now everyone just needs to calm the hell down with the SJW crap for the love of all that is sacred and holy.

 

Equally? It's not really equal, when the predominant way of life open for woman was marrying, bearing children and taking care of household.

Peasants or lower class men might not have as much choice on the matter, as, say, nobility, but they were still considered to be head of their household whose decision mattered of that over woman, in pretty much every regard. They could also choose career paths - they could be merchants, squires, artisans, priests, or scholars. They could educate themselves or make money - and for a very long time women simply had NO opportunity like that whatsoever.

 

Also... really, your're going to say that female life was "more valued", when women were no less victims of war than men were (that's not mentioning rampant rape that happened, usually on women that couldn't defend themselves, because they were left no means or knowledge how to do it).

 

In fact, they might have not died on the battlefield, but died frequently when giving yet another childbirth, out of complications or simple exhaustion (like my grand-grand-grandma, who - during 13 years of her marriage and was pregnant with yet another child almost at all times... until eventually her body just gave up).


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Yeah, KKK. As in a hate movement that loves making the lives of their enemy worse, whether it be people of dark skin color or men. I already pointed out a woman who's dog was shot as an intentional hate crime against her for arguing the feminist narrative, does it need to be a white guy in a Klan hood shooting a black guy's dog for you to get the connection?

 

Connection to what? The "Protestant Christian narrative"?

 

But, whatever, keep on doing your thing. I'm assuming the inevitable Nazi analogue was next on the list.


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Connection to what? The "Protestant Christian narrative"?

 

But, whatever, keep on doing your thing. I'm assuming the inevitable Nazi analogue was next on the list.

 

They're both hate groups to a specific subset of humanity, how is this hard to grasp?



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They're both hate groups to a specific subset of humanity, how is this hard to grasp?

 

I'm sure there are many Protestant Christians on this forum who wouldn't appreciate being labeled as a "hate group".


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I'm sure there are many Protestant Christians on this forum who wouldn't appreciate being labeled as a "hate group".

 

So I compare feminism with the kkk and you compare Christianity to the kkk, we should maybe have lunch together and swap stories.

 

Anyway, I'm weary of this argument. I've been up 23 hours and got a warning point 10 minutes ago... And no actual posts deleted as far as I could see. The reason given was "talked about political subject", but this entire topic has been that. So I'm thinking the mod is just pro feminist and wants to shut me up, can't see any other reason that I'm getting warned for being political in a political topic about feminism and portrayals of women in fiction. I don't normally go all conspiracy theory, but the stated reason for the warning point makes no sense given the context of this entire topic. Unless everyone got a warning point and nobody is mentioning it but me, which is possible since you can't see other's warning points.

 

And don't let this argument make you sour your opinion of me, letting the argument from this topic follow you into other topics would be immature and stupid. Like I said, don't want to become a pariah on this board.



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@andy6915:  Did you just counter an argument you didn't like with an argument you do like?   What exactly makes your cherry picked internet reality better than the article in Spanish that is likely biased and not entirely truthful?

 

Do feel free to judge the study without knowing the first thing about it. It's the internet after all.

 

It's a review made by the largest union in the nation. It's considered an official source as good as a government office.



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Before I go, here's a funny video to try to relieve some tension. Vinny is hilarious and his glitch and corruption videos are amazing. Watch all 3 vids of this game that he has done if you want. I know, off topic, but... Eh. No harm in it. Might even help make this topic a little less volatile from here.

 



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Anyway, I'm weary of this argument. I've been up 23 hours and got a warning point 10 minutes ago... And no actual posts deleted as far as I could see. The reason given was "talked about political subject", but this entire topic has been that. So I'm thinking the mod is just pro feminist and wants to shut me up, can't see any other reason that I'm getting warned for being political in a political topic about feminism and portrayals of women in fiction. I don't normally go all conspiracy theory, but the stated reason for the warning point makes no sense given the context of this entire topic. Unless everyone got a warning point and nobody is mentioning it but me, which is possible since you can't see other's warning points.

 

And don't let this argument make you sour your opinion of me, letting the argument from this topic follow you into other topics would be immature and stupid. Like I said, don't want to become a pariah on this board.

 

I'm sorry, but if you compare a vast and diverse group of people to generally as hated and shunned group as KKK it's hard to not see why you'd be awarded a warning point.

Really, making such comparisons is a disservice to everyone - to people you want to criticize, because it pretty much vilifies them and puts them in no-win situation and yourself, for refusing to see the topic in less stark, black-and-white categories.

 

That's all I have to say here.


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I'm sorry, but if you compare a vast and diverse group of people to generally as hated and shunned group as KKK it's hard to not see why you'd be awarded a warning point.

Really, making such comparisons is a disservice to everyone - to people you want to criticize, because it pretty much vilifies them and puts them in no-win situation and yourself, for refusing to see the topic in less stark, black-and-white categories.

 

That's all I have to say here.

 

And all I'll say is that public perception is the only difference. Seriously, last words I'm saying in this topic before bed. And probably the final words I'll get to say in this topic once I got to bed, since I see this getting locked soon. Very soon :ph34r:.

 

And seriously, watch that video and the other 2 vids for that game Vinny's done. You'll laugh till it hurts.

 

 

edit: Okay, okay. I admit again that at least feminism doesn't hang people or burn imagery into grass. Consider that a concession.



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So I compare feminism with the kkk and you compare Christianity to the kkk, we should maybe have lunch together and swap stories.

 

Again, this is the point going completely over your head. Christianity, specifically Protestantism, is a set of beliefs the Klan cites as a justification for the things they do. Religious fervor is also a significant factor in the exorcism and witch-hunts that happen in Nigeria. However, (most) people on this forum wouldn't state that Christianity means supporting the sexual abuse of young boys, lynching black people, or declaring disobedient kids guilty of witchcraft... because that would be ****ing stupid. Feminism is a basic concept, that can be aggrandized or misconstrued to justify any amount of fanatical wankery, just like any religion or ideology. 

 

If you walk away from this topic a "pariah", know that it would be entirely your own fault.


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Again, this is the point going completely over your head. Christianity, specifically Protestantism, is a set of beliefs the Klan cites as a justification for the things they do. Religious fervor is also a significant factor in the exorcism and witch-hunts that happen in Nigeria. However, (most) people on this forum wouldn't state that Christianity means supporting the sexual abuse of young boys, lynching black people, or declaring disobedient kids guilty of witchcraft... because that would be ****ing stupid. Feminism is a basic concept, that can be aggrandized or misconstrued to justify any amount of fanatical wankery, just like any religion or ideology. 

 

If you walk away from this topic a "pariah", know that it would be entirely your own fault.

 

And you'd be shocked how much like a religion feminism is. It has a dogma, tenants that aren't to be questioned, adherents that would rather die than give up their faith, books they practically treat like holy scripture, and heretics and infidels that they treat horribly if they go against the dogma. The only thing they're lacking is a belief in gods or divine beings. They even do the same indoctrination tactics religious fundamentalists do.



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What does any of this have to do with DA?

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What does any of this have to do with DA?

 

...

 

*shrugs*

 

Not much of anything. Which is partly why I got tired of it, no one is convincing anyone else and the whole topic has spiraled into stupidity the likes of which I haven't seen since the last elf or mage topic.



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Everything is a spectrum if you've already got a WP let it go both series address femism morality etc there own way just let it go

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What does any of this have to do with DA?


Absolutely nothing. DAI is simply used as a flimsy discussion starters for slightly trolly well meaning and polite arguments discussions between SJWs and their bizzaro counterparts tactful debaters over the politics of today.  



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So basically another sunday

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Star Trek is where no one cared and instead everyone cared about being better. Star Wars has lightsabers and says bad people should suffer from horrible disfiguring injuries. Yada yada blah bleh Witcher that, Dragonteetness. The only approach that is likely stupid, that's just so stupid, is none. So if you're playing a game that has no levels then dumb. Yay for living today.

 

I read this entire paragraph hearing Sera's voice saying it.


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