TIL cheating on your husband is just as bad as murder.
You do it. Women have their own problems. You don't need to be taken care of like you're a little boy. Get inspiration from women who have actually gotten things done. I'm sure you know plenty.
That still does not answer the point that male characters are portrayed a lot by their sexuality and yet for some reason, that is never a cause for concern. ONLY when it is female characters then it is an issue.
That still does not answer the point that male characters are portrayed a lot by their sexuality and yet for some reason, that is never a cause for concern. ONLY when it is female characters then it is an issue.
The difference between strong women in the Witcher world and the strong women in BioWare games is that BioWare simply dumps women in manly roles to show that they're equal, whereas the Witcher women still act like females and use whatever they can to get ahead, which is exactly what you'd expect to happen in such a world. Sorceresses are powerful, but they also constantly use their good looks to seduce and exploit people who can be of use to them, as well as abusing their power in other ways. They're not displayed in a very positive light, as they're generally selfish, dishonest, conspiring bitches who meddle in other people's affairs while essentially only driving their own agenda.
The patriarchy hurts men too. Just not as much as it hurts women.
So male video game characters should continue to suck and be poor representations of males in reality, because of that? That's your reason? The correct answer is, we should strive to create games that successfully portray women and men well and be entertaining for everyone.
In case you didn't notice plenty of people have problems with Geralt or male characters in DA. I'm sure there tons of guys who have hopes, dreams, and aspirations that go largely unfulfilled by modern gaming (or even media) characters, I see no reason to treat their plight any differently from women.
What most people ask for when they want "strong female characters" is actually pretty simple: characters who feel like they could be actual women instead of a collection of stereotypes, not sexualized to an absurd degree and who have some degree of agency. There are bunch of characters that people generally agree on as being good female characters, so it's not exactly an unreachable goal: FemShep, Jade from Beyond Good & Evil, Ellie from The Last of Us, Clementine from The Walking Dead etc.
Haha, so those female characters are not actual women? That is such a nice thing to say to someone's idea for a female character.. not an actual woman.
I'm sorry, but that is just so freaking backwards. Those might not be my favorite characters a lot of the time but frankly they often have qualities the likes of Jade, Ellie, and Clementine don't possess.
Anyway people also don't generally agree at all on what constitutes good female characters, I for one can't stand any of the TWD characters.
It isn't a cause for concern because you are not raising the issue in the media the way women do it. Do your own work. You're not entitled to have other people do your work for you. If you think you have a case then put it forward and risk a response from others.
But it's easier to attack women than to analyze and critique an industry - that is the people making the things you supposedly don't like. You're comfortable aren't you? Or maybe you're pretending to have a concern about men so women stop talking?
The argument has no logic.
Remember, women fight for equality, meaning that they want to be judged and viewed on the same merits as men. Example would be equal pay for equal work which is a legimimate argument. If I have 10 years experience, MBA and work as a HR employee in XYZ Company and make $50k a year, then it is sad that my female counterpart with the same experience and education in the same position in the same company only making say....$44k a year.
My point point is that if women want to be equal to men (If this is indeed the goal) then in the realm of videogames, men are portrayed A LOT by their sexuality/masculinity. So if women want to be equal to men, why is it a crime when women are ALSO portrayed by their sexuality/femininity?
Sort of reminds me of this:
Video games are generally awful at representing real people, think of them more as avatars for ideas, stereotypes or simply gameplay fodder.
Video games are generally awful at representing real people, think of them more as avatars for ideas, stereotypes or simply gameplay fodder.
I don't think so at all really, I think there are tons of games that have unique and interesting characters. That wasn't my point, my point was simply why is everyone suddenly just emphasizing female portrayal in video games, instead of female and male portrayal as well as the overall themes of the game and stuff.
Everything is just being segregated to focus on peculiar aspects rather than taking the big picture perspective for some reason.
Like if Hatred has a female protagonist with a ton of agency, and no objectification (she wears baggy pants and a shirt), I'm sorry but that's still a game that I just don't want to play at all. It's just absurd, wasteful, and counter-productive to keep zoning in on this or that thing without looking at the picture in the totality.
Video games are generally awful at representing real people, think of them more as avatars for ideas, stereotypes or simply gameplay fodder.
Exactly
My counter argument to that is there are also a LOT of male characters in videogames that are sexualized and yet where is the outrage for that? Why is it when a female is shown wearing revealing clevage it is seen as some sort of social justice crime against women but yet when men in videogames are portrayed by their exaggerated physical appearance nobody comes out and says "Why can't we have strong male characters who aren't uber muscle bound but strong because they are smart and confident?"
Aay wayyy....
You act as if females portrayed in media aren't ALSO portrayed in exaggerated fashion, in terms of physical appearance - well then what else are those lean bodies, appetizing curves, big, plump breasts, not a hint of cellulite or fat, great hair and perfect facial features, huh? isn't it "exaggerated physical appearance" as well???
Yet apparently what is enough in terms of sexualization of men ISN'T enough in case of sexualization of women. It isn't enough that they have rocking bodies - they frequently have to be clad in very revealing clothing, and usually with make-up on; something males don't have deal with on the same level females do. This is exactly why people complain. Everybody is sexualized on some level in fiction or pop-culture, but when one gender just has to deal with sexualization - and another with hyper-sexualization (and mostly for the sake of pandering or advertising to certain audience, not for the sake of expressing oneself), then we have a problem.
Maybe we should first complete the list of all "female traits" (seduction, wearing skimpy dresses, being hot) and all "male traits" (leadership, combat prowess, loyalty) before we move on.
This seems naturally of the foremost importance, since it clearly isn't alarmingly bad as the very basis of the discussion and/or defeating the very principle of anti-sexism endeavours.
And yet people Here complained about Morrigan and Vivienne being b*****s. Not to mention that Not every woman Who is in a position of power/strong in DA has a 'manly' role. Other then those Two, there Are Leliana, Anora, Celene, Josephine.The difference between strong women in the Witcher world and the strong women in BioWare games is that BioWare simply dumps women in manly roles to show that they're equal, whereas the Witcher women still act like females and use whatever they can to get ahead, which is exactly what you'd expect to happen in such a world. Sorceresses are powerful, but they also constantly use their good looks to seduce and exploit people who can be of use to them, as well as abusing their power in other ways. They're not displayed in a very positive light, as they're generally selfish, dishonest, conspiring bitches who meddle in other people's affairs while essentially only driving their own agenda.
I don't think so at all really, I think there are tons of games that have unique and interesting characters. That wasn't my point, my point was simply why is everyone suddenly just emphasizing female portrayal in video games, instead of female and male portrayal as well as the overall themes of the game and stuff.
Everything is just being segregated to focus on peculiar aspects rather than taking the big picture perspective for some reason.
Like if Hatred has a female protagonist with a ton of agency, and no objectification (she wears baggy pants and a shirt), I'm sorry but that's still a game that I just don't want to play at all. It's just absurd, wasteful, and counter-productive to keep zoning in on this or that thing without looking at the picture in the totality.
Probably because more people have been thinking about this sort of thing from a non-marketing POV, so they're going to bring up the most obvious faults they see first, then move on to other issues.
So you're saying that female characters are terrible and treated more as a sex tool than in the Witcher. LOL, i think you play a wrong game.
I did not say female characters are treated better in one game than another, if that's what you understand then I think you read the wrong post. I said, it is very obvious that DAI's utopic strong and independend unicorn women theme does not reflect the view of the writers honestly. I don't think it's anything more than a way to try to make the game sell more, to make more profit, considering the very same writers were proud of materializing the most important female character so much that they had someone draw a comic about it. What I was saying in short is this, in case you still fail to understand; In the first, second and the third witcher games, the world is still same for the women, homosexuals and transgenders. In DAO and DAI, however, the world and the veiw of the writers regarding women and homosexuals are worlds aparts. In DAO, Morrigan was basically a sex toy that the warden could "use" to make sure all the wardens survive. In DAI, however, women are not sex toys, they do not "require" a man for anything unlike Morrigan needed so desparately, and women are strong, independant, brilliant, amazing unicorns. There's no honesty in it, it is obviously just a marketing strategy, let's not kid ourselves.
Probably because more people have been thinking about this sort of thing from a non-marketing POV, so they're going to bring up the most obvious faults they see first, then move on to other issues.
So what most people think or want to discuss should be the guide eh? Popularity =/= the best idea necessarily, it's absurd to equate the two automatically.
The patriarchy hurts men too. Just not as much as it hurts women.
It doesn't exist.
Just like the gender pay gap.
My point point is that if women want to be equal to men (If this is indeed the goal) then in the realm of videogames, men are portrayed A LOT by their sexuality/masculinity. So if women want to be equal to men, why is it a crime when women are ALSO portrayed by their sexuality/femininity?
It doesn't exist.
Just like the wage gap.
Morrigan wasn't a sex toy, and she was Already an indipendant woman. She said in a dialogue that she used her beauty to get What she wanted.I did not say female characters are treated better in one game than another, if that's what you understand then I think you read the wrong post. I said, it is very obvious that DAI's utopic strong and independend unicorn women theme does not reflect the view of the writers honestly. I don't think it's anything more than a way to try to make the game sell more, to make more profit, considering the very same writers were proud of materializing the most important female character so much that they had someone draw a comic about it. What I was saying in short is this, in case you still fail to understand; In the first, second and the third witcher games, the world is still same for the women, homosexuals and transgenders. In DAO and DAI, however, the world and the veiw of the writers regarding women and homosexuals are worlds aparts. In DAO, Morrigan was basically a sex toy that the warden could "use" to make sure all the wardens survive. In DAI, however, women are not sex toys, they do not "require" a man for anything unlike Morrigan needed so desparately, and women are strong, independant, brilliant, amazing unicorns. There's no honesty in it, it is obviously just a marketing strategy, let's not kid ourselves.
Aay wayyy....
You act as if females portrayed in media aren't ALSO portrayed in exaggerated fashion, in terms of physical appearance - well then what else are those lean bodies, appetizing curves, big, plump breasts, not a hint of cellulite or fat, great hair and perfect facial features, huh? isn't it "exaggerated physical appearance" as well???
Yet apparently what is enough in terms of sexualization of men ISN'T enough in case of sexualization of women. It isn't enough that they have rocking bodies - they frequently have to be clad in very revealing clothing, and usually with make-up on; something males don't have deal with on the same level females do. This is exactly why people complain. Everybody is sexualized on some level in fiction or pop-culture, but when one gender just has to deal with sexualization - and another with hyper-sexualization (and mostly for the sake of pandering or advertising to certain audience, not for the sake of expressing oneself), then we have a problem.
And men aren't hyper-sexualized? Why is it that most male heros have to have rock solid bodies with 6-packs and with grizzly voices? How many skinny men with their ribcages showing do you see portrayed as strong male heros to be desired by women? How many 50 year old fat men do you see with receding hairlines do you see being portrayed as strong heros to be desired by women? This is my point that you keep ignoring.
People act like male videogame characters are shown as realistic portrayals of typical males in society and that it is ONLY female characters that are given the sexualized treatment. Men are exaggerated sexually so if women want equality, then women characters are fair game.
DA does a good job at representing a range of characters: the sexual pirate, the stern faced guard captain, the shrewd first enchanter etc. that happen to be women.
What they do well is making rounded female characters. Yes, Isabela is salacious and provocative, but she is also self-assured and loyal, she isn't one dimensional.. It's fine for a Isabela to exist because there is a spectrum of female characters. Cassandra is forceful and hard, but she is also a kind-hearted romantic.
As long as there is a good variety, not just in personality but looks as well, I can't find an issue with them including any sort of female character.
So your main point is that women aren't doing things you would like them to do. Tough luck. If you want something done, do it yourself. Just like they do what they want. But seemingly you simply want for women to stop doing what they're doing. Fortunately you have no control over that so you might as well redirect your efforts towards something productive.
I do not want anything done as I am not complaining about the male portrayal in videogames.
I am simply presenting an argument that many women are hypocrites in that they want equality....only when it benefits them. They can argue for better portrayal in videogames all they want, I could careless because at the end of the day, TW3 STILL sold better than DAI despite the fact that women are shown as sex objects in the game.
I just find it funny how many feminist women (and feminist men) like to play the equality card only when it is at benefit.
Again, it isn't equality that many women want because if women got TRUE 100% equality, they would lose out on many of the "benefits" of being a female. So it goes back to the argument that women only want equality when it is to their benefit and do not want equality when it works against them.
Again, this:
It doesn't exist.
Just like the gender pay gap.
I'm a women in the U.S.
I'm proud to say I've been an un-oppressed non-victim for 32 years......
I did not say female characters are treated better in one game than another, if that's what you understand then I think you read the wrong post. I said, it is very obvious that DAI's utopic strong and independend unicorn women theme does not reflect the view of the writers honestly. I don't think it's anything more than a way to try to make the game sell more, to make more profit, considering the very same writers were proud of materializing the most important female character so much that they had someone draw a comic about it. What I was saying in short is this, in case you still fail to understand; In the first, second and the third witcher games, the world is still same for the women, homosexuals and transgenders. In DAO and DAI, however, the world and the veiw of the writers regarding women and homosexuals are worlds aparts. In DAO, Morrigan was basically a sex toy that the warden could "use" to make sure all the wardens survive. In DAI, however, women are not sex toys, they do not "require" a man for anything unlike Morrigan needed so desparately, and women are strong, independant, brilliant, amazing unicorns. There's no honesty in it, it is obviously just a marketing strategy, let's not kid ourselves.
Morrigan uses her sexuality as a tool to get what she wants, if anything, the warden/alistair is used. Particularly Alistair in fact. (switch the gender roles around in that scenario and suddenly people see how problematic it is) She is not a sex toy.
The patriarchy hurts men too. Just not as much as it hurts women.
Lol, good one.
So male video game characters should continue to suck and be poor representations of males in reality, because of that? That's your reason?
Heh, who needs video games for poor representation? I can just watch the news. 
If an article begins with "A Florida Man", you know it's gonna end crazy.
Why do you believe women in TW3 Are shown as sex objects?I do not want anything done as I am not complaining about the male portrayal in videogames.
I am simply presenting an argument that many women are hypocrites in that they want equality....only when it benefits them. They can argue for better portrayal in videogames all they want, I could careless because at the end of the day, TW3 STILL sold better than DAI despite the fact that women are shown as sex objects in the game.
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