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[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

I agree. She never learns. She's not even willing to learn anything. She doesn't even see her own contradictions. A hard life? What about Zevran, or Aneirin. Now those are tough lives. She has a sense of entitlement, and nothing will change that. If things don't turn out the way she wants/predicts, she turns it so it seems like they do.
What about RtO? I don't own the DLC, but I watched the Wynne/Alistair conversation on YouTube. I was very strange and very creepy, to say the least.

Ugh, don't get me started ont hat conversation. This thread is not the place for my missgivings when it comes to the garbage called RTO.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sabriana wrote...

I agree. She never learns. She's not even willing to learn anything. She doesn't even see her own contradictions. A hard life? What about Zevran, or Aneirin. Now those are tough lives. She has a sense of entitlement, and nothing will change that. If things don't turn out the way she wants/predicts, she turns it so it seems like they do.
What about RtO? I don't own the DLC, but I watched the Wynne/Alistair conversation on YouTube. I was very strange and very creepy, to say the least.

Do not get me started on that. I have played through, and believe me, it creeped me out. She let's Alistair look up to her as a miother figure all this time, and when he pays her a very nice compliment, her response seriously creeped me out. Made me cringe. Almost like she's been grooming him.  especially since she knows how Alistair sees her, and has been playing the part of sweet old granny.

The creep factor there overshadowed the Morrigan/Loghain doing the deed by a factor of 20. At least Morri and Loggy's little tumble I could pound the esc key to spare my eyes...

[Cuddlezarro]

Alistair and Wynns conversation at the end of Return to Ripoffstigar was utterly disgusting and inappropriate for the subject matter



which Is why I never take wynn and alistair there together ever again...(well Alistair still goes with me)



I prefer the Loghain version of that quest but I just watch that on youtube

The creep factor there overshadowed the Morrigan/Loghain doing the deed by a factor of 20. At least Morri and Loggy's little tumble I could pound the esc key to spare my eyes..

Loghain's facial expression looked like one of terror during that entire cutscene :3

[Sabriana]

@ Cuddlezarro



Yes, it did. I actually felt sorry for him. Alistair looks stricken, Loghain looks disgusted and terrified.

[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

@ Cuddlezarro

Yes, it did. I actually felt sorry for him. Alistair looks stricken, Loghain looks disgusted and terrified.

I'm a guy, so I am simply jealous.

Give me a king and country to betray, if that means I am forced to sleep with Morrigan as punishment.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I totally enjoyed Loghain's disgust/horror. However, the idea of having to watch Loghain, horrified or not, get laid, with Morrigan apparantly digging the whole idea, I can do without. Nekkid Loghain=me spending the rest of the night trying to inject bleach into my brain. Hell, watching Alistair, with that terrified bunny-rabbit about to get eaten face, was bad enough.



but again, that can't compare to Wynne openly flirting with Alistair after happily plaing surrogate mother to him. That's just beyond what even my normally perverse, twisted mind can handle.



It's just...wrong on so many levels and dimensions, I need twice as much brain bleash, plus a case of cyanide-laced everclear, to banish the horror from my mind.

[Cuddlezarro]

I actually have a screenshot of Loghains facial expression during the ritual cutscene I just laugh at it and I dont have to see Morrigan looking like shes about to have sexy fun time to see his terrified expression any more

but again, that can't compare to Wynne openly flirting with Alistair after happily plaing surrogate mother to him. That's just beyond what even my normally perverse, twisted mind can handle.

that conversation is even worse considering that your at OSTAGAR and your there to bury the kings body and stuff



I mean you find duncans weapons and Wynn decides to have *that* conversation immediately after

[Reaverwind]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I actually have a screenshot of Loghains facial expression during the ritual cutscene I just laugh at it and I dont have to see Morrigan looking like shes about to have sexy fun time to see his terrified expression any more

but again, that can't compare to Wynne openly flirting with Alistair after happily plaing surrogate mother to him. That's just beyond what even my normally perverse, twisted mind can handle.

that conversation is even worse considering that your at OSTAGAR and your there to bury the kings body and stuff

I mean you find duncans weapons and Wynn decides to have *that* conversation immediately after

Boy, you all make me ever so glad that I've never taken Wynne to Ostagar. I'll take Dog over her any day.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Trust me, after that, Wynne is staying back at camp even for other quests, so I don't have to listen to her banter with Alistair. Before RTO, their dialogue always seemed kinda cute, Alistair trying to adopt her as a nice grandma he never had, and Wynne playing along. Now I shall never be able to look at it like that again. The horror...



And yes, the fact that she comes up with that convo right before you are getting ready to send Alistair's very dead half brother on his final journey was not lost on me either. Somehow, that whole exchange happened to eclipse meeting the broodmother in terms of sheer horror. In fact, after that exchange, I so wanted to go back to the deep roads to a room full of broodmothers. And instead of killing them, sit down and have a nice stiff drink with Oghren.



A screeny of Loghain's face as he's about to get violated by Morrigan? Normally, that would make me cringe, but after discussing Wynne...well, a toast to you for your forward thinking.

[Sabriana]

Cuddlezarro is the best. He has screenies for all kinds of occasions.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sabriana wrote...

Cuddlezarro is the best. He has screenies for all kinds of occasions.

awww how sweet

I dont have pics of all ocassions I tried taking a decent pic of me saving Zevran during the fade dream but that area is freaking terrible for taking good pictures

also who wants a screenshot of Wynns evil glare of death she gives Oghren!

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 19 février 2010 - 08:24 .

[Reaverwind]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Cuddlezarro is the best. He has screenies for all kinds of occasions.

awww how sweet

I dont have pics of all ocassions I tried taking a decent pic of me saving Zevran during the fade dream but that area is freaking terrible for taking good pictures

also who wants a screenshot of Wynns evil glare of death she gives Oghren!

Ooooh, yes! Definitely want to see that one.

[Cuddlezarro]

heres the Death glare she gives Oghren







and any one see anything...odd about this :E

[Reaverwind]

Ooooh, that look is pure EVIL. It should be patented. And she's one to talk about recklessness.

[Sabriana]

See. I'm always right.



*ducks to avoid flying rotten tomatoes and other distasteful things.*



But tbh, that look is chilling. The look she gives my PC while raking Zevran across the coals is nothing to sneeze at either. Makes my PC wish she could just break off the conversation and leave.

[Cuddlezarro]

if looks could kill oghren would have exploded into a billion little peices and had his soul devoured by Demons



but considering its Oghren he just waved it off and she calmed down ...or did she her expression when she was talking about Oghren being a distraction was rather creepy... (I have a screenshot of that to)

[Sabriana]

I like Oghren. Lots. He's not my favorite (I know, big shocker here) but he's really sweet. Take him to the gauntlet and to the fade,and you'll see. He is also fond of Zevran. MY favorite dialoge? Here it is"



****There be Spoilers ahead.+++++



* Oghren: Elf!

* Zevran: Oghren!

* Oghren: I have something to say to you!

* Zevran: I am all ears, as we elves like to say.

* Oghren: I... Well, now I forgot.

* Zevran: Alas.

* Oghren: But just know I had something.

* Zevran: You've had several somethings, I suspect. It's part of your charm.



**** end spoilers******



I find this conversation very charming. On both sides.

[Reaverwind]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

if looks could kill oghren would have exploded into a billion little peices and had his soul devoured by Demons

Does anyone else find it ironic she's calling a dwarven veteran reckless, considering he's fought things more horrifying than what the tower holds?

[Cuddlezarro]

I like Oghren. Lots. He's not my favorite (I know, big shocker here) but he's really sweet. Take him to the gauntlet and to the fade,and you'll see. He is also fond of Zevran. MY favorite dialoge? Here it is"

I actually took pictures of all his gauntlet dialogue and have several screenshots of his fade dialogue



its just a shame that his few really good dialogue is hidden under piles of drunkenness

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Somehow, that whole exchange happened to eclipse meeting the broodmother in terms of sheer horror. In fact, after that exchange, I so wanted to go back to the deep roads to a room full of broodmothers. And instead of killing them, sit down and have a nice stiff drink with Oghren.

LOL!  So true.  And my character had just, as in on the way to Ostagar, gotten the dialogue where Wynne was telling her to back off Alistair because she might hurt him and/or for the greater good.  And then the old hag goes cougar on him.

Back at the camp, HNF was asking Morrigan to inscribe a Glyph of Granny-Warding around Alistair's bedroll.

What were the writers thinking?

Modifié par Addai67, 19 février 2010 - 09:23 .

[Cuddlezarro]

What were the writers thinking?

they wearnt

that exchange was more creepy than the Conversation in koTOR2 where Kreia tells you not to shag Visas or the Haindmaiden and I didnt think that would be possible

though unlike Wynn I *like* Kreia and find her to be an amazingly written and acted character (even more so with the restoration project installed)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 19 février 2010 - 09:26 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sabriana, I love Oghren and Zev in my party. The little bromance they are developing is so sweet. The jibes and teasing, zevran playfully calling him a smelly little dwarf, Oghren calling him a pipe-cleaning pervert elf. yet you can totally tell they adore each other in a very bro-like way. And Oggy even ends up telling Zevran he think's he's alright. Homeys for life, those two.

Oghren is great, and I love his character. he's not the stereotype "I'm a dwarf so that's why I drink". You find that Oghren really is a drunk because he's trying to drown out his sorrows and failures. I mean, the poor guy's wife dumped him for another woman and ran off to the deep roads to become an obsessed psychopath. Betting dumped for another woman must have been a sharp kick in the balls to his sense of manhood, and all the time he's convinced himself it was his fault for not being the type of man Branka needed, and admits that he was a sorry excuse of a husband to her.

When you talk to him in camp, some of the random dialogues you get are sad. Like once, you ask him what's wrong, he says nothing, got a hornet in my eye, that's all. He's crying to cover up the fact he's getting a bit teary-eyed over Branka, but doesn't want you to know he still cares, because you might think he's a wuss.

I always hook him up with felsi. Not doing so is just too much puppy kicking for my liking, even if this puppy happens to be a hairy, smelly drunk. I always like to imagine in the epilogue, Zevran gets to be the best man at the wedding.

One of my favorite Oghren Zevran lines: "Just keep your pants where I can see 'em, elf!" What is it with Oghren and losing pants, anyway?

Edit to add:

LOL!  So true.  And my character had just, as in on the way to Ostagar,
gotten the dialogue where Wynne was telling her to back off Alistair
because she might hurt him and/or for the greater good.  And then the
old hag goes cougar on him.

Back at the camp, HNF was asking
Morrigan to inscribe a Glyph of Granny-Warding around Alistair's
bedroll.

What were the
writers thinking?

Hell, I'd like to know. I mean, Oghren and Zevran hitting on Wynne is funny, because Zevran is yanking her chain and enjoys her prudish discomfort, and Oghren ain't too picky and is willing to give just about anything with a pulse a shot. But it's clear Alistair looks up to her as a maternal figure, and she quite blatantly flirts with him after feeding his image....yech.

Don't need a glyph of warding. From now on, my hound Axel is assigned to permanent guard duty outside my tent when I have to leave Alistair unattended. Yikes.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 19 février 2010 - 09:41 .

[Cuddlezarro]

heres Oghrens opinions on why Branka left him (if any one wants I could post his gauntlet conversatiosn as well which give even more insight into him)

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 19 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[Sabriana]

I so agree. People who call Oghren just your "stereotypical" dwarf are so just looking at the outside. His revelations at the Gauntlet made me swallow hard. He had to deal with being 'gelded"? He has to deal with his wife just abandoning him. He does love her, imo, even after finding out the truth.. Like I said, he's not my favorite, but he's a close second.

His relation toward Zevran is especially telling. They do really like each other.

[ejoslin]

So many people just don't talk to the characters enough. You'll see what you want to, but there's a lot there with all of them. You can tell just by how shocked some people are if, say, one doesn't like Wynne and views her as a sanctimonious busybody rather than as a wise counselor. But that IS part of Wynne's personality, though you don't have to uncover it.