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[Reaverwind]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Must be, that plot hole of doom. Or the Orlseians telling him.
For a ritual that's supposed to be such a great secret, it seems everyone and their hamster in Ferelden knows what goes on. Everyone but Jory, Daveth, and the Warden, for that matter.

Yup, apparently Boo knows about it, but that should come as no surprise. However, it did bug me that apparently everyone except the new recruits knew all about it.

[Cuddlezarro]

I didnt know about leliena since iv only had her in my party for a full game once and im not doing that *ever* again



didnt know about Zevran where do you get to ask him if he wants to be a warden?

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I didnt know about leliena since iv only had her in my party for a full game once and im not doing that *ever* again

didnt know about Zevran where do you get to ask him if he wants to be a warden?

That is at the very end in the friend ending.  He sticks with you no matter what 

[Cuddlezarro]

Zevran has a friend ending!? I thought it always ended up with me and him running off into the sunset together to live happily ever after :3

[Herr Uhl]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Zevran has a friend ending!? I thought it always ended up with me and him running off into the sunset together to live happily ever after :3

Hew followed me on merry adventures, trying not to be a deadbeat dad. Though I do not know how merry he intended them to be though 

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Zevran has a friend ending!? I thought it always ended up with me and him running off into the sunset together to live happily ever after :3

Well, I've never actually SEEN it, but I've heard the rumors . . .

[e-ver]

Yes, he has a friend ending, and it was a great comfort for my mage who had been dumped by Alistair after the Landsmeet. She never got into the interested/adore/whatever zone with Zevran the whole game, but he still offered to come with her in the end. All the others (even though I was on "friendly" terms with most of them) scattered to the four winds, doing their own thing, but he stayed.

One could argue, that it's also in his best interest, because the Crows are still out there, but why not? He wasn't an altruistic guy to begin with and his offer seems sincere nevertheless, he might be killing two birds with one stone here... heh, Shale would like to hear this.

Modifié par Allerleihrau, 21 février 2010 - 09:15 .

[Sabriana]

Could be, Allerleirauh, the Warden is some sort of protection for him. However, in the Ultimate Sacrifice ending it becomes pretty clear that Zevran can take care of himself, even though his whole inner self dies with the Warden, leaving him pretty much destroyed. Her death is his death, even though he still walks and talks.

Ack! I'll never choose that ending again, and you should've seen how quickly I reloaded after hearing *that* epilogue.

[e-ver]

Sabriana wrote...

Could be, Allerleirauh, the Warden is some sort of protection for him. However, in the Ultimate Sacrifice ending it becomes pretty clear that Zevran can take care of himself, even though his whole inner self dies with the Warden, leaving him pretty much destroyed. Her death is his death, even though he still walks and talks.
Ack! I'll never choose that ending again, and you should've seen how quickly I reloaded after hearing *that* epilogue.

Aww yes, Zevran's epilogue for this ending is heartwrenching. I don't even want to think about it, this is the one epilogue that I never ever want to see again. I can live with my character dying, I can live with Alistair dumping me (the git!), but not this.

But is it just me, or has Zevran sneakily taken over the thread?

[Sabriana]

Sneaky Antivan. Oghren was right all along, wasn't he?

[Herr Uhl]

Considering the most active posters in the Zevran thread and this, it's not a big surprise.



And Oghren is right, about everything. Well, except for Branka.

[ejoslin]

I don't think Zevran-love is ever off topic, especially in a Wynne-hate thread.

[Sabriana]

Well, Oghren hadn't seen neither hide nor hair of Branka in 2 years. I tend to forgive him that little slip-up



Zevran love and Wynne hate are somewhat interrelated. Especially to the Zevran-girls/boys. Agreed. Totally.

[EnchantedEyes1]

Sabriana wrote... Well that's good to know. At least she can't take credit for being the driving force behind the rescue of the tower with Irving. Goshalmity, that always bothered me. I never even checked if there was a possible change of party members. Silly me. Although there's still the "we found each other in this place". Gah! We? Really? Last time I checked, my PC found everyone, and she had to go through some pretty tough stuff to do so.

OMG yes! It really burns me that she not only takes the credit but can't be forced to stay put even when playing a mage. I might have to fight her next time.

It's interesting reading through these posts about dislike for Wynne. I have to admit that with my first characters I didn't mind her at all but after subsequent characters and spending more time with her, I have grown to really dislike her self-righteous, arrogant attitude. She belittles almost everyone in the party and I just love Zev's responses to shut her up and Morrigan is on target with her comments as well. I can certainly understand some of Morrigan's attitude towards circle mages if Wynne is at all representative of them.

It's interesting that after spending more time with Wynne, I can't stand her where I've had just the opposite experience with Morrigan.

[soignee]

What I like about this game, is that the companions aren't perfect. They're flawed. And Wynne is a very flawed human being, and her world views are slighly right of centre. I can choose to ignore her advice, though some of can be sound in the right situation.

[Sabriana]

After hearing her advise to Aneirin, my PC will never again take it. She will make up her own mind, and will only consider advice from Zevran or Oghren. Those two are the only ones who seem aware enough of certain situations.

Wynne being off center is quite right, but personally, I'd take out the 'slightly'. Her views on Grey Wardens alone is so out of whack with what Duncan, Ser Gilmore, and Alistair tell my GW, it's mindboggling.

[Kryyptehk]

Hold on, I just thought of something. Maybe this has been brought up before, but if it has, sorry.

Wynne flirts with Alistair, but not with Zevran. Now, I'm a Alistair-fangirl, but even MY characters can't resist Zevran. I have to flirt with him and then just tell him later that I'm only with Alistair. It's kind of creepy that she only flirts with the guy who she says she hopes her son would be like...

I am suddenly incredibly sickened by RtO now.

[Herr Uhl]

Kryyptehk wrote...
Wynne flirts with Alistair, but not with Zevran. Now, I'm a Alistair-fangirl, but even MY characters can't resist Zevran. I have to flirt with him and then just tell him later that I'm only with Alistair. It's kind of creepy that she only flirts with the guy who she says she hopes her son would be like...

You really read a lot into that, don't you (directed at whole thread, yeah, that means you *points finger*). Let's put it like this, how do you think Zevran would react to trying to mess with him about sexual stuff. Now do that with Alastair. Do it with Sten, Loghain and Oghren too for good measure.

She is *not* hitting on Alastair. Do you really think she expected him to take the offer up?

[Kryyptehk]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
Wynne flirts with Alistair, but not with Zevran. Now, I'm a Alistair-fangirl, but even MY characters can't resist Zevran. I have to flirt with him and then just tell him later that I'm only with Alistair. It's kind of creepy that she only flirts with the guy who she says she hopes her son would be like...

You really read a lot into that, don't you (directed at whole thread, yeah, that means you *points finger*). Let's put it like this, how do you think Zevran would react to trying to mess with him about sexual stuff. Now do that with Alastair. Do it with Sten, Loghain and Oghren too for good measure.

She is *not* hitting on Alastair. Do you really think she expected him to take the offer up?

Maybe hitting on was the wrong word for it. And given the fact that I KNOW she is joking, I still find it odd why she is mean to Zevran when he tries to joke with her. And when Zevran "flirts" with her while she's getting on his case about him being a murderer when literally everyone else, including herself, is one... The fact that she is more comfortable make sexual comments to a man she pretty much considers to be like a son to her, is kind of creepy.

And she's not even mean to Oghren when he says much more lewd things to her. She just acts uncomfortable.

Maybe she's racist. It's obvious by the way she treated Aneirin. She just dislikes elves. I think I heard her talking to Alistair about dumping my elven mage once. -rolls eyes-

[Sabriana]

I certainly hope she doesn't expect that, that would really be to weird.

It's her seeing fit to bring up sexual innuendo at the place of mass-slaughter, while the target of her 'joke' has his half-brother hanging on a cross-like structure.

It's the place and her poor choice of perhaps 'getting back at Alistair' or 'trying to lighten up the situation'. There is no lighten up, not at Ostagar. It's a place of death, horror, and betrayal, at least in my RPing. Remember how broken up Alistair was at Flemeth's hut?

As far as I'm concerned, she can make her sex jokes with her surrogate 'son', but not at this particular place, at this particular time. Alistair didn't look 'lightened up' at all. He looked and reacted embarrassed and flabbergasted.

So if Wynne did this to him in another setting, my PC would likely give him an action figure afterward to console him, after he's told by the woman he considered a mother figure that she 'bedded many a younger man' or somesuch.

[e-ver]

Kryyptehk wrote...

*snip*

Maybe she's racist. It's obvious by the way she treated Aneirin. She just dislikes elves. I think I heard her talking to Alistair about dumping my elven mage once. -rolls eyes-

Hm, that's an interesting idea, I never considered that. It would explain her reaction in the situation with the Tevinter slaver. Zevran says I should look them into the eyes before I decide what to do with them, while Wynne's only concern seems to be that the deal would involve Blood Magic.

Can anyone who has been travelling more with her give any more insight into this? Any other situation where she acts pro- or anti-elves?

[Kryyptehk]

Allerleihrau wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

*snip*

Maybe she's racist. It's obvious by the way she treated Aneirin. She just dislikes elves. I think I heard her talking to Alistair about dumping my elven mage once. -rolls eyes-

Hm, that's an interesting idea, I never considered that. It would explain her reaction in the situation with the Tevinter slaver. Zevran says I should look them into the eyes before I decide what to do with them, while Wynne's only concern seems to be that the deal would involve Blood Magic.

Can anyone who has been travelling more with her give any more insight into this? Any other situation where she acts pro- or anti-elves?

I was just joking, I don't think she ever says anything about elves.

[e-ver]

Kryyptehk wrote...

I was just joking, I don't think she ever says anything about elves.

I thought you might be, but it's still an interesting new angle (at least in my opinion).

Modifié par Allerleihrau, 22 février 2010 - 10:58 .

[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

There is no lighten up, not at Ostagar. It's a place of death, horror, and betrayal, at least in my RPing. Remember how broken up Alistair was at Flemeth's hut?

But basically, what it comes down to is that RTO was simply badly written. Wynne is completly inappropriate and Alistair, who is so emotional throughout the game that quite a few people end up hating him, is also more involved in silly banter with her than in whatever... they really killed the mood. Best way to play RTO (if you are going to play it) is without any character that had dialogue added for it.

[Jayelet]

In my opinion if you have problems with the idea of elves, like Leliana have them. It is also true that only bother with the idea of blood magic, not with the idea of selling the elves as slaves.

Although this also goes for Alistair to be offended by your decision to enter the veil with blood magic, but really for the death of Isolde or what Alistair proposes an abomination to kill or Connor.

Wynne personally can not stand, I have gone from listening to just hate her. The only other character I like a hypocrite is Leliana.