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[Maddyanne]

I don't like the hardening Liliana option either. It's not very nuanced. My PC wants to be able to tell her that she can choose who she is, even if that includes enjoying the hunt, intrigue, and so on; not say something that implies she's going to follow Marjolaine into crazed weasel paranoia. But that's not really possible.



I didn't appreciate hearing Wynne say that to my city elf at the Gauntlet either. Wynne doesn't get to go there any more and I take great pleasure in mentioning griffons at every opportunity.

[Cuddlezarro]

Her relationship advice is enough to make me not like her, though. Wow, unless you suck up to her totally, she is really awful there as well. And yes, I know she apologizes later, but that she would even feel she had a right to say such a thing . .. Next time, I swear, she's staying in the circle . . .

but didnt you know your character is mature enough to save the world(unless you defile the sacred ashes then saving the world be damned your going down) but apparently isnt mature enough to handle a proper relationship like an adult

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Her relationship advice is enough to make me not like her, though. Wow, unless you suck up to her totally, she is really awful there as well. And yes, I know she apologizes later, but that she would even feel she had a right to say such a thing . .. Next time, I swear, she's staying in the circle . . .

but didnt you know your character is mature enough to save the world(unless you defile the sacred ashes then saving the world be damned your going down) but apparently isnt mature enough to handle a proper relationship like an adult

Yeh, I missed that part in the Grey Warden oath . . .  Heh, and yes, I think it's funny that there are at least two times she's more than willing to try to kill you or turn you in to the templars for being a blood mage (YAY Irving for telling her to mind her own business about "Grey Warden magic").  She's pretty bad if you defile the ashes when she's not there, though.  She tells you she hopes the darkspawn win before leaving.  Yep, she really is noble!

[Cuddlezarro]

Wow Wynn is such is such a noble spirit Im so glad the respec mod exists so i can just use Morrigan as a spirit healer atleast she doesnt try to hide the fact shes a ***** or try impede my bloody goals and is voiced by Claudia black (big plus for me)



im surprised Wynn didnt throw a hissy fit at me for telling Gregoir that it might be dangerous to let the mages be after I saved Irvin (and thus let them get locked up)

[ejoslin]

I actually haven't tried telling Gregoir that, but I have to try it. I never bother respec'ing Morrigan because I find controlling far more useful than healing and I don't mind the wasted talent point, but Morrigan . . . it doesn't even matter what she thinks or feels about you. So I don't mind having her along.

Another time I cannot stand Wynne is in the circle. First in her dream, how she berates you; it's unbelievable how she turns the blame of everything onto you. Then later, if you save Irving, how she is more than willing to take most of the credit for saving the circle, and in fact no one mentions your other two companions who are really more helpful than Wynne at that point.

Heh, even Sten in his dream, while aware that he's dreaming, shows you manners, even if he doesn't want to leave.

Edit: Heh, hating on Wynne is fun!

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 janvier 2010 - 01:22 .

[melkathi]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Heh, hating on Wynne is fun!

Let's not even mention that she want's to give a mabari a bath!

[ejoslin]

melkathi wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Heh, hating on Wynne is fun!

Let's not even mention that she want's to give a mabari a bath!

Warden: Couldn't you just not smell him?

Hahahaha, he gets to sleep with Alistair.  At least Alistair has SOMEONE!

[Cuddlezarro]

best way to make the preachy old cow uncomfortable dump her in a party with Zevran and Oghren



between banter about magical bossums and Oghren wanting to plow her she better damn well have some nasty nightmares

[melkathi]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

best way to make the preachy old cow uncomfortable dump her in a party with Zevran and Oghren

between banter about magical bossums and Oghren wanting to plow her she better damn well have some nasty nightmares

Now if you could only take yourself out of the party and dump Morrigan in instead.
Wynne caught between Zevran and Oghren with Morrigan as the only alternative...  

[Riona45]

ejoslin wrote...
Then later, if you save Irving, how she is more than willing to take most of the credit for saving the circle, and in fact no one mentions your other two companions who are really more helpful than Wynne at that point.

Uh, actually Wynne does say "I had help."

[Lotion Soronarr]

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Her relationship advice is enough to make me not like her, though.  Wow, unless you suck up to her totally, she is really awful there as well.  And yes, I know she apologizes later, but that she would even feel she had a right to say such a thing . ..  Next time,  I swear, she's staying in the circle . . .

Why wouldn't she had the right to say those things? I do not understand.

[angj57]

Ugh, I couldn't even begin to describe how annoying I find Wynne. I think the pride demon idea is interesting: she is by far the most self righteous and prideful companion you have. Nearly every line of conversation with her consists of her giving you unasked for advice, even to the point of commenting on your love life.  She clearly thinks she is the Maker's gift to man, so to speak.  In the Fade, unlike Morrigan, she isn't strong willed enough to realise that it is a dream, but when you try and tell her that it is all a dream, she responds by saying "the fade? I've always had an affinity for the fade."  She's about as prideful as it gets, and in a preachy, self righteous, obnoxious way.

Now as far as most of the possessions we see in the game- Uldred, Connor, the cat (lol)- it seems like the demon just comes in and takes over the person. You can even tell based on their voices that there is a demon inside. But I can think of one exception- Flemeth. When you ask Morigan if abominations are usually insane horrors, she basically says "Who knows, how often is usually?" It seems like this demon is more subtle and acts differently.

Pride demons are the most powerful, cunning, and intellegent demons.  And why would a demon want to take over Wynne and join with Uldred? Uldred takes over the tower, but the tower is immediately besieged by Templars, and Uldred inevitable gets killed. If a pride demon came to Wynne, convinced her that it was a "special kind of spirit" and gradually took over, it would end up in a much more advantaguous position. In fact, at the end of the game, Wynne announces that she is going to be staying at the palace advising the Queen. Basically she gets far more power doing what she does in game than she would have by just joining up with Uldred and getting slaughtered when the templars retook the tower.

[AntiChri5]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Her relationship advice is enough to make me not like her, though.  Wow, unless you suck up to her totally, she is really awful there as well.  And yes, I know she apologizes later, but that she would even feel she had a right to say such a thing . ..  Next time,  I swear, she's staying in the circle . . .

Why wouldn't she had the right to say those things? I do not understand.

She was expressing valid logical concerns. As preachy as Wynne can be, she IS trying to look after you.

[AntiChri5]

angj57 wrote...

Ugh, I couldn't even begin to describe how annoying I find Wynne. I think the pride demon idea is interesting: she is by far the most self righteous and prideful companion you have. Nearly every line of conversation with her consists of her giving you unasked for advice, even to the point of commenting on your love life.  She clearly thinks she is the Maker's gift to man, so to speak.  In the Fade, unlike Morrigan, she isn't strong willed enough to realise that it is a dream, but when you try and tell her that it is all a dream, she responds by saying "the fade? I've always had an affinity for the fade."  She's about as prideful as it gets, and in a preachy, self righteous, obnoxious way.

Now as far as most of the possessions we see in the game- Uldred, Connor, the cat (lol)- it seems like the demon just comes in and takes over the person. You can even tell based on their voices that there is a demon inside. But I can think of one exception- Flemeth. When you ask Morigan if abominations are usually insane horrors, she basically says "Who knows, how often is usually?" It seems like this demon is more subtle and acts differently.

Pride demons are the most powerful, cunning, and intellegent demons.  And why would a demon want to take over Wynne and join with Uldred? Uldred takes over the tower, but the tower is immediately besieged by Templars, and Uldred inevitable gets killed. If a pride demon came to Wynne, convinced her that it was a "special kind of spirit" and gradually took over, it would end up in a much more advantaguous position. In fact, at the end of the game, Wynne announces that she is going to be staying at the palace advising the Queen. Basically she gets far more power doing what she does in game than she would have by just joining up with Uldred and getting slaughtered when the templars retook the tower.

Wynne has a lot of different epilouges. My first character got one where she basically said "i'm gonna just wander off and die".

[SusanStoHelit]

Yes, or she goes with Shale to the Imperium to try to help her regain a squishy body.

[ejoslin]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: Her relationship advice is enough to make me not like her, though.  Wow, unless you suck up to her totally, she is really awful there as well.  And yes, I know she apologizes later, but that she would even feel she had a right to say such a thing . ..  Next time,  I swear, she's staying in the circle . . .

Why wouldn't she had the right to say those things? I do not understand.

She was expressing valid logical concerns. As preachy as Wynne can be, she IS trying to look after you.

No she's not.  With both Allistair and Leliana, she's expressing concerns for THEM, not the Warden, and with Zevran, it's just rude comments.  And why shouldn't she?  Because you're talking about two adults who are in a fairly serious relationship.  It's not her business.  But she has in her head a way grey wardens SHOULD act, and is upset that you're not behaving in this way.

I would no more tell a dear friend in a caring relationship to break it off with them.  I'm amazed that people don't see that that is inappropriate.

Edit: I'm a sucker for taking unpopular dialogs, and the conversation with Wynne has some really nasty comments in it.  I suppose if you're just thanking her and telling her you'll consider her advice, you won't have her telling you off, calling you a child who cannot handle being in an intimate relationship, etc.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 janvier 2010 - 11:55 .

[ejoslin]

Riona45 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Then later, if you save Irving, how she is more than willing to take most of the credit for saving the circle, and in fact no one mentions your other two companions who are really more helpful than Wynne at that point.

Uh, actually Wynne does say "I had help."

True, and I suppose that has different connotations to you than to me.  Wynne, even with "help," if it weren't for the GW, would have been in dreamland until she died.  I would say she was the one helping, not the one being helped.  But that's just a personal spin on it.  I have far stronger reasons for not liking her even if that one was completely off base!

[ReubenLiew]

Mothers always did have judgemental views on their children's relationships... I suppose you might say she didn't view you as a friend and instead as a child, and thus her comments are as harsh as an overbearing mother might be about your choice of lover.

[Lotion Soronarr]

@ejoslin



I'm sure you're the kindest and friendliest person in the world to be around, especially when people return your concerns with insults.

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Mothers always did have judgemental views on their children's relationships... I suppose you might say she didn't view you as a friend and instead as a child, and thus her comments are as harsh as an overbearing mother might be about your choice of lover.

But she's telling you how you're behaving in a way not fitting to a Grey Warden, and you have to give up your relationship because Grey Wardens need to sacrifice all (heh, VERY rough paraphrase).  She for whatever reasons wants you to give up the one thing that is making you happy, for whatever reasons she states, because you are not behaving in the way she has in her head that Grey Wardens should act.

And Wynne is NOT your mother.  In fact, she has not known your PC very long at all.  Even if she had your best interests at heart, it is completely inappropriate for her to comment.  

Now, if this were the ONLY time she was completely judgemental, it could be written off as concern.  But it isn't.  

[ReubenLiew]

Not being your mother and also not having known you for very long has never stopped old ladies(and old men too, from experience) from chastising your choice of life neither

Modifié par ReubenLiew, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:35 .

[ejoslin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

@ejoslin

I'm sure you're the kindest and friendliest person in the world to be around, especially when people return your concerns with insults.

Telling her you dont' appreciate her scrutiny is an insult?  Telling her you need some time to relax is an insult?  Telling her to just be quiet about responsiblities for a moment is an insult?

And telling the PC that her lover only has one thing on his mind and her being in a relationship with someone like that is not fitting is about expressing concerns?  The PC doesn't have the option to insult Wynne in that conversation.  Wynne is the one insulting the PC, not the other way around.  And if you try to stand up for yourself, she gets even more insulting.

Ultimately, it's not about the PC and her lover, it's about Wynne and how she feels Grey Wardens should behave.

Edit: If it were at the very beginning of the relationship, it could be seen as concern.  But it happens, of course, once the feelings for both the PC and her romantic partner are quite deep, but not yet in love.  It's beyond casual, and ending it would hurt everyone involved deeply.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:44 .

[ejoslin]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Not being your mother and also not having known you for very long has never stopped old ladies(and old men too, from experience) from chastising your choice of life neither

Hahaha, very true.  Young ones as well often think they know best for everyone as well.  Doesn't make me like Wynne any more!

[ReubenLiew]

ejoslin wrote...
Hahaha, very true.  Young ones as well often think they know best for everyone as well.  Doesn't make me like Wynne any more!

Heh, I more or less just nod and agree with her and do stuff my way anyway. She's old, and about to die, who really cares what she thinks?  Plus she's useful for my healing, so I can concentrate Morrigan on firepower instead.

[General Balls]

If people don't stop this Wynne hating, I might just get mad.

When I get mad, I ramble, and flecks of saliva get thrown all over the furniture.

You don't want that, because you're paying to clean it, damnit!