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[Cuddlezarro]

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just got the first Dog/Wynn Banter and my ever lovable Marabri owned her pretty badly

[Reaverwind]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just got the first Dog/Wynn Banter and my ever lovable Marabri owned her pretty badly

There's Dog/Wynne banter? Do tell!

[Herr Uhl]

Reaverwind wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just got the first Dog/Wynn Banter and my ever lovable Marabri owned her pretty badly

There's Dog/Wynne banter? Do tell!

She wants to give him antlers and give him a bath. I keep wondering why she'd want to give him antlers.

[Cuddlezarro]

Reaverwind wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just got the first Dog/Wynn Banter and my ever lovable Marabri owned her pretty badly

There's Dog/Wynne banter? Do tell!

Wynn was basically going all "how would you like a new tail! I can do that since Im a mage!, what about antlers I know you want some I can even turn you pink and purple if you want!" and stuff like that and whiles shes doing that the dog grabs her staff and runs off with it

[Reaverwind]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just got the first Dog/Wynn Banter and my ever lovable Marabri owned her pretty badly

There's Dog/Wynne banter? Do tell!

Wynn was basically going all "how would you like a new tail! I can do that since Im a mage!, what about antlers I know you want some I can even turn you pink and purple if you want!" and stuff like that and whiles shes doing that the dog grabs her staff and runs off with it

Good for Dog!  Too bad you can't have him do that on command. Just imagine the possibilities....

Wynne: You're quite taken with each other...

PC: Dog! Fetch!

Dog: *snatches Wynne's staff*

[Cuddlezarro]

Sten has some really good banter with Wynne as well expecially the one where he gets her to shut up almost immediately after she starts talking to him



Shale has lulzy banter with her as well

[Sabriana]

All teenagers are moody *glares at her own moody teenager*.

Except me. I was never moody. I was always exceptionally well balanced. (Good thing my Mom is

a) not here, and

doesn't speak english.



But I do remember Wynne telling my PC that as soon as she set foot in the tower she felt like it was home.

[mousestalker]

She may have been the good mage for a good deal of her life. I tend to agree with you on that. She did defy the authorities by bearing a child. She then lost her son. When I heard her say that dialogue for the first time I was floored. I was playing a Circle hating mage and Wynne and the PCWarden had not been getting along.



The woman who voices Wynne is a terrific voice actress. The quiet way she said those words just broke my heart. In many ways, I don't like Wynne, but I can not hate her.

[Herr Uhl]

If you are taught that a+b=c for your whole life, in this case a long one, facing that a+b=x is hard to get. It's not really Stockholm syndrome, this is indoctrination.

[Addai]

Sabriana wrote...

But I do remember Wynne telling my PC that as soon as she set foot in the tower she felt like it was home.

I think the game tries hard to present the up side of the Circle, as a place of safety and acceptance.  Oddly enough, my mage would still have preferred her mother and father.  She's weird like that!

Edit:  Though Jowan's story shows that sometimes it  was parents themselves who cast mage children out.  And then there's Isolde, 'nuff said.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 mars 2010 - 10:50 .

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Edit:  Though Jowan's story shows that sometimes it  was parents themselves who cast mage children out.  And then there's Isolde, 'nuff said.

They either are cast out from their families, or go apostate. And there is a reason that the apostate to circle mage ratio weighs towards circle mage.

[Reaverwind]

mousestalker wrote...

She may have been the good mage for a good deal of her life. I tend to agree with you on that. She did defy the authorities by bearing a child. She then lost her son. When I heard her say that dialogue for the first time I was floored. I was playing a Circle hating mage and Wynne and the PCWarden had not been getting along.

Huh? At no point do I recall Wynne even implying that having children was forbidden. What she does say is marriage is discouraged, mages having children is rare, and any child born to a mage belongs to the Chantry. Now, she would have been defying the authorities had she tried to keep the child.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 03 mars 2010 - 11:01 .

[Maria Caliban]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

but I thought according to the chantry every thing was created by the maker...doesnt that include dwarves?

I don't know. I've often wondered that myself.

[Reaverwind]

Addai67 wrote...

I think the game tries hard to present the up side of the Circle, as a place of safety and acceptance.  Oddly enough, my mage would still have preferred her mother and father.  She's weird like that!

The game blows that notion out of the water with the opening video of the mage origin though, where it's plainly stated the Tower is a gilded prison.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Edit:  Though Jowan's story shows that sometimes it  was parents themselves who cast mage children out.  And then there's Isolde, 'nuff said.

They either are cast out from their families, or go apostate. And there is a reason that the apostate to circle mage ratio weighs towards circle mage.

Sure, but that's like saying "if they hadn't been put in a concentration camp people would have persecuted them in the streets."  It doesn't make the Circle any better a place because it is the cul-de-sac of a terrible system that oppresses mages.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 mars 2010 - 11:09 .

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

but I thought according to the chantry every thing was created by the maker...doesnt that include dwarves?

I don't know. I've often wondered that myself.

They see them as the makers children. So I would guess they see them as created by the maker.

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

They either are cast out from their families, or go apostate. And there is a reason that the apostate to circle mage ratio weighs towards circle mage.

Sure, but that's like saying "if they hadn't been put in a concentration camp people would have persecuted them in the streets."  It doesn't make the Circle any better a place because it is the cul-de-sac of a terrible system that oppresses mages.

...No. I was saying that most people are scared like hell of magic.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Edit:  Though Jowan's story shows that sometimes it  was parents themselves who cast mage children out.  And then there's Isolde, 'nuff said.

They either are cast out from their families, or go apostate. And there is a reason that the apostate to circle mage ratio weighs towards circle mage.

Sure, but that's like saying "if they hadn't been put in a concentration camp people would have persecuted them in the streets."  It doesn't make the Circle any better a place because it is the cul-de-sac of a terrible system that oppresses mages.

You can't really compare the Circle to a concentration camp, though.  I agree that the system is horrible, and the chantry completely encourages the hate of mages, but it IS dangerous for mage children outside the circle.

[Reaverwind]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Edit:  Though Jowan's story shows that sometimes it  was parents themselves who cast mage children out.  And then there's Isolde, 'nuff said.

They either are cast out from their families, or go apostate. And there is a reason that the apostate to circle mage ratio weighs towards circle mage.

Sure, but that's like saying "if they hadn't been put in a concentration camp people would have persecuted them in the streets."  It doesn't make the Circle any better a place because it is the cul-de-sac of a terrible system that oppresses mages.

You can't really compare the Circle to a concentration camp, though.  I agree that the system is horrible, and the chantry completely encourages the hate of mages, but it IS dangerous for mage children outside the circle.

Pffft. Only if the mage-child is unlucky enough to be born in some Chantry-controlled area of Fereldan.

[krylo]

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Edit:  Though Jowan's story shows that sometimes it  was parents themselves who cast mage children out.  And then there's Isolde, 'nuff said.

They either are cast out from their families, or go apostate. And there is a reason that the apostate to circle mage ratio weighs towards circle mage.

Sure, but that's like saying "if they hadn't been put in a concentration camp people would have persecuted them in the streets."  It doesn't make the Circle any better a place because it is the cul-de-sac of a terrible system that oppresses mages.

You can't really compare the Circle to a concentration camp, though.  I agree that the system is horrible, and the chantry completely encourages the hate of mages, but it IS dangerous for mage children outside the circle.

Pffft. Only if the mage-child is unlucky enough to be born in some Chantry-controlled area of Fereldan.

Reminds me of the Morrigan/Alistair talk after the circle:

• Alistair: So tell me, was the Tower of Magi everything you thought it would be?
• Morrigan: Abominations running rampant? Templars ready to slaughter every mage in sight? Yes, it rather met all my expectations.
• Alistair: You don't think you might have been better off getting your training there? Instead of whatever your mother taught you?
• Morrigan: You're right. My mother didn't nearly have as many abominations running about. That certainly would have improved my education.
• Alistair: Hmm. I'll give you that one.
• Morrigan: I'm so relieved.

Modifié par krylo, 04 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[Reaverwind]

krylo wrote...


Reminds me of the Morrigan/Alistair talk after the circle:

• Alistair: So tell me, was the Tower of Magi everything you thought it would be?
  
  Morrigan: Abominations running rampant? Templars ready to slaughter every mage in sight? Yes, it rather met all my expectations.
  
  Alistair: You don't think you might have been better off getting your training there? Instead of whatever your mother taught you?
  
  Morrigan: You're right. My mother didn't nearly have as many abominations running about. That certainly would have improved my education.
  
  Alistair: Hmm. I'll give you that one.
  
  Morrigan: I'm so relieved.

LOL. I loved that conversation.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 04 mars 2010 - 12:57 .

[Addai]

Ok, to preface my comments I'm going to quote myself from the Zevran romance thread:

I woke up this morning fuming about Wynne's ridiculous conversation with my character last night.  The story line around my character makes it even more insulting than usual.  My virginal girl has only slept with Zevran, maybe, 3 nights before this.  I think she got over her self-consciousness about 10 minutes in to the first night, of course- it is obvious that Zevran is nothing if not a generous lover- but she still is only just exploring her sexuality for the first time, after a bad history and the "wonderful" nurturance of the Circle.  And even though she doesn't know what's going on with Zevran, she can see his pain.  His refusal was a blow, because she thinks he might end up telling her he needs to move on.  So on the very same night to have that... that woman... try to make it so cheap and tawdry, to tell her that it is beneath her to be involved with him, is insult to lots of injury.

I think she also suspects that it is in part racist, that if she were still with Alistair, Wynne would not be nearly so incensed.  Which is somewhat true, since in the Alistair sermon, Wynne more talks about them getting hurt rather than it being "inappropriate."  Oh boy, if she ever gets to the point where she hears about Aneirin, my elven lass is not going to take it well.  This is all proof to her that it was a mistake to have a Circle mouthpiece in her camp.

Now, what I am thinking about Wynne is this:  Nearly every other character in the game changes, develops, overcomes their weaknesses or at least begins to do that.  Even Loghain. Naturally there are exceptions (Bhelen comes to mind) and a lot depends on the Warden's influence.  But no matter what the Warden does or doesn't do, it seems to me like Wynne is one of the few who never changes, who actually regresses.  If my elf mage ever did hear about Aneirin's story, her own experience with "wynsensitivity" would convince her that Wynne had learned nothing at all.  Rather than be a mentor to my Warden mage, she is still the same overbearing, callous b*tch she was to Aneirin.  If my elf mage were then to see Wynne try to convince Aneirin to go back to the Circle, this conclusion would be doubly confirmed.  Maybe it is just a factor of her age, that being set in her ways, she's just going to be this way and that's that.

I am happy for someone else with a different view of Wynne to show me the error of my ways.

[Schwinni]

Yes, yes, Wynne, there she plays as if she were morality in person and then tries to push Alistair into sexual infidelity right next to my female PC...

Modifié par Schwinni, 04 mars 2010 - 06:51 .

[ejoslin]

I wonder if Wynne dislikes Zevran so much is because he really acts as the Warden's advisor in many cases, and he has much better advice!

Edit: Though I'm being facetious with that comment, there actually may be something to it.  He does have better advice than she does, and he's much better at reading situations.  She WOULD probably hate that, especially given his background.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 mars 2010 - 08:53 .

[Cuddlezarro]

I wonder how much she is gonna hate Baren Broska #2 I promise to take screenshots of her getting pissy when ever he does something she doesnt like~