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[Cuddlezarro]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What's the meanest line in the game? And does it involve sparing Loghain?

nope Loghain has to die to get the line shes talking about

[ejoslin]

It's at the end of Alistair's hate speech (you need to look it up on Youtube, it is too good to just read a transcript of -- "angry alistair").

At the very end, it goes like this IF he hits 100 Hostile after being made king:

Alistair: I guess I'll have to be satisfied with you actually helping to stop the Blight, won't I? If that's still your intention. I can't do it on my own.
Warden: So says the king of Ferelden. Sad, really.
Alistair: Let's just go. I don't want to talk to you any more.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 mars 2010 - 08:45 .

[Cuddlezarro]

...ok so I let the desire demon and the possessed templar on the floor with the sloth demon go and I lost ZERO approval from Wynne!? what the hell!!?

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 20 mars 2010 - 05:11 .

[Sarah1281]

I know this is probably just game mechanics, but why did Wynne take off for the Trevintor with Shale only to ditch her at the first opportunity to go running back to the Circle and leave me with Aneirin's Token? Wasn't he supposed to be her one big regret and the token wa a symbol of how she made peace with that? And yet somehow it wasn't important enough to take with her...sad, really. What do I need with dried sap? Even the item description talks about Wynne!

[ejoslin]

I always let the desire demon go. I used to kill her, but that bothered me. She actually is doing a good thing, I think. She's giving him happiness. The most I can give him is death. I'm not even sure he would want to be freed, he was so miserable.

[Sarah1281]

I finally got around to playing a character who refused to answer the guardian's question at the gauntlet and wow, Wynne's response was, predictably, horrible. She said that she wondered about my refusal to answer a simple question and that my reticence said more than any answer I could give.



First off, the guardian was pretty cryptic as to the circumstances behind the question so where does she get off judging me? And it was hardly a 'simple question', it was asking about one of the most if not THE most painful and guilt-inducing moments of the character's lives and maybe they don't feel like sharing with the party members or some random spirit guardian for a prophet she may not even believe in anyway. And since Wynne's question was jus asking her if she was aware she spouted platitudes that's hardly on the same level as 'did you fail your brother' 'could you have saved your mother' 'did you abandon your family and friends', ect.



You know, as annoying as it is that no one shows an interest in your life aside from Wynne, I think I'd prefer it if she'd just stop. I only refused to answer once so I only know how Wynne, Alistair, and Morrigan responded but Morrigan applauded my unwillingness to play alng (she does this too) and Alistair just said now he was really curious but didn't press the issue. Now I definitely have to add 'Wynne: Haven' to my list of places party members have lost the right to go to.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Wynne sucks lulz.

Seriously she does. And Morrigan's answer to the guardian is badass! No one is on Morrigan's level.

[Reaverwind]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

...ok so I let the desire demon and the possessed templar on the floor with the sloth demon go and I lost ZERO approval from Wynne!? what the hell!!?

I know - I expected a bit more consistency with the game's characters and lore.

[Cuddlezarro]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I finally got around to playing a character who refused to answer the guardian's question at the gauntlet and wow, Wynne's response was, predictably, horrible. She said that she wondered about my refusal to answer a simple question and that my reticence said more than any answer I could give.

First off, the guardian was pretty cryptic as to the circumstances behind the question so where does she get off judging me? And it was hardly a 'simple question', it was asking about one of the most if not THE most painful and guilt-inducing moments of the character's lives and maybe they don't feel like sharing with the party members or some random spirit guardian for a prophet she may not even believe in anyway. And since Wynne's question was jus asking her if she was aware she spouted platitudes that's hardly on the same level as 'did you fail your brother' 'could you have saved your mother' 'did you abandon your family and friends', ect.

You know, as annoying as it is that no one shows an interest in your life aside from Wynne, I think I'd prefer it if she'd just stop. I only refused to answer once so I only know how Wynne, Alistair, and Morrigan responded but Morrigan applauded my unwillingness to play alng (she does this too) and Alistair just said now he was really curious but didn't press the issue. Now I definitely have to add 'Wynne: Haven' to my list of places party members have lost the right to go to.

...how can you refuse to take wynne to the ashes when its one of the places you can kill her! or hear that nasty "may the dark spawn take you" speech

[Sarah1281]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I finally got around to playing a character who refused to answer the guardian's question at the gauntlet and wow, Wynne's response was, predictably, horrible. She said that she wondered about my refusal to answer a simple question and that my reticence said more than any answer I could give.

First off, the guardian was pretty cryptic as to the circumstances behind the question so where does she get off judging me? And it was hardly a 'simple question', it was asking about one of the most if not THE most painful and guilt-inducing moments of the character's lives and maybe they don't feel like sharing with the party members or some random spirit guardian for a prophet she may not even believe in anyway. And since Wynne's question was jus asking her if she was aware she spouted platitudes that's hardly on the same level as 'did you fail your brother' 'could you have saved your mother' 'did you abandon your family and friends', ect.

You know, as annoying as it is that no one shows an interest in your life aside from Wynne, I think I'd prefer it if she'd just stop. I only refused to answer once so I only know how Wynne, Alistair, and Morrigan responded but Morrigan applauded my unwillingness to play alng (she does this too) and Alistair just said now he was really curious but didn't press the issue. Now I definitely have to add 'Wynne: Haven' to my list of places party members have lost the right to go to.

...how can you refuse to take wynne to the ashes when its one of the places you can kill her! or hear that nasty "may the dark spawn take you" speech

It's really difficult to side with the cultists as I love killing Andraste-dragon so much. And it reallyis some nice armor...Still, that one time I did and she turned on me she waited until after I already desecrated the ashes. Useless gesture much?

[Cuddlezarro]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 It's really difficult to side with the cultists as I love killing Andraste-dragon so much. And it reallyis some nice armor...Still, that one time I did and she turned on me she waited until after I already desecrated the ashes. Useless gesture much?

you can kill the dragon even if you defile the ashes

once you ge tthe reaver spec, just talk to kolgrim again and pick the obvious *kill him* options

Xander Cousland defiled the ashes and once they gave "initiated" him killed the cultists because they where to dangerous the let live and killed the dragon so it wouldent go on a rampage acorss the ferelden

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 20 avril 2010 - 11:57 .

[darkrose]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You know, as annoying as it is that no one shows an interest in your life aside from Wynne, I think I'd prefer it if she'd just stop.

Agreed X4. Her "perhaps everything turns out the way it's meant to" didn't go over well with my Tabris girl: "So, it's okay that my cousin got raped and my fiance killed, because hey, I'm a Grey Warden!"

Personally, I think Wynne is possessed by the Spirit of Mary Worth, which is why she has Meddling Biddy Powers +10.

[webbedfeet]

darkrose wrote...


Personally, I think Wynne is possessed by the Spirit of Mary Worth, which is why she has Meddling Biddy Powers +10.

*rotfl*

And suddenly the Pride Demons don't look so bad anymore!

Modifié par webbedfeet, 21 avril 2010 - 03:18 .

[Sarah1281]

webbedfeet wrote...

darkrose wrote...

Personally, I think Wynne is possessed by the Spirit of Mary Worth, which is why she has Meddling Biddy Powers +10.

*rotfl*

And suddenly the Pride Demons don't look so bad anymore!

Wasn't that a theory a little while back? That Wynne's 'fade spirit' was actually a pride demon?

[webbedfeet]

Sarah1281 wrote...

webbedfeet wrote...

darkrose wrote...

Personally, I think Wynne is possessed by the Spirit of Mary Worth, which is why she has Meddling Biddy Powers +10.

*rotfl*

And suddenly the Pride Demons don't look so bad anymore!

Wasn't that a theory a little while back? That Wynne's 'fade spirit' was actually a pride demon?

Precisely! I like that theory, and it'll be consistent with how every companion in the game at least attempts to be subversive to trope somehow (with the exception of Loghain, who plays Tragic Villain to a tee, but that's also his main selling point). The Spirit of Mary Worth kind of makes it look tame, however!

[Meliorist13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wynne sucks lulz.
Seriously she does. And Morrigan's answer to the guardian is badass! No one is on Morrigan's level.

This!  Morrigan rules!

[Sarah1281]

Meliorist13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wynne sucks lulz.
Seriously she does. And Morrigan's answer to the guardian is badass! No one is on Morrigan's level.

This!  Morrigan rules!

I don't know. Shale's so badass she didn't even get a question.

[Aisynia]

Riona45 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Besides, does Wynne even have that much pride? I never got the impression that she thought of herself as "special."

Her opinion is special enough that she has to share it with you multiple times whether you want to hear it or not. 

She can be self-depreciating though, and unlike some other companions you can openly disagree with her and not lose any influence for it.  I even remember a line you can say like "Would you hate me if I said everything you just told me was rubbish?" and she kind of laughs it off saying no, she wouldn't--and you don't get any disapproval from her.

Yeah.. a pride demon would flip out at that. Instead she just says basically, no, because I used to think just the same way, I can't blame someone for feeling like that.

[Aisynia]

ejoslin wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Besides, does Wynne even have that much pride? I never got the impression that she thought of herself as "special."

Wynne is the most sanctimonious, judgemental companion you can have.  There are times that I wish was an option.  Wynne is of the opinion that her point of view is the only one that is right and believes herself to be unquestionable.

Heh, I'm still mad at her over what she said at the gauntlet to my city elf.  Her standard comments are SO bad normally, but in that circumstance, just terrible.  *grin* She doesn't like my PC much this game, but at least she's not going to try to kill my warden, though go against her in a couple of circumstances, she'll gladly try to kill Ferelden's only hope.  

Nope, nope, I don't like Wynne!  Abomination that she is!

Disagreement here. In the gauntlet, she admits to the spirit she doubts herself and considers that she might just be regurgitating what she hears as a "preachy schoolmistress" as Morrigan put it. She will also admit she was wrong and APOLOGIZE for saying some of the things she does. She's a good person, at her core, and if you are patient with her, she gains a deep respect for you.

Her sanctimonious behavior that people describe is really just her drawing on her own lifetime of experience and giving advice out of concern for you. Misplaced? Maybe. Unwanted? Maybe. Well intentioned? Definitely.

But it's not like she won't let you disagree with her.

As stated above, you can at one point basically say "I think you're full of ****" and she won't give you any disapproval

[Aisynia]

ejoslin wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...


Wynne is the most sanctimonious, judgemental companion you can have.  There are times that I wish was an option.  Wynne is of the opinion that her point of view is the only one that is right and believes herself to be unquestionable.

Obviously I disagree and did not get that impression. *shrug*

Heh, I'm still mad at her over what she said at the gauntlet to my city elf.  

What would that be?

Hmmm, city elf origin.  You and your friends are kidnapped by the Arl's son.  You are locked in a room, your friends who were kidnapped with you are taken away.  Your cousin manages to get to you, slides you a sword, and you end up having to kill your way through the castle.  You see your fiance cut down in front of you.  You continue going, fighting, just doing your best to get to your friends.  But you're too late, despite everything, and your cousin is already raped.  I chose in my origin to step forward and take the blame completely for the deaths.  

You get to the guantlet, and the guardian asks his usual question -- did you fail Shianni.  Well, my first response was, No, Vaughn was the villain.  Wynne pipes up, "It's hard to know how your actions really have an effect on the outcome," like there was something else the PC could have done.  So I reload and say, "Well, I guess I could have run faster," despite, of course, having to fight all the way there.  To which Wynne replies, "You need to accept your failings."  The PC did nothing wrong, at all, yet Wynne, who had asked for and gotten the story, still had to be extremely sanctimonious at that point.

Of course, she says those things no matter what, which is why she normally sits at camp during that quest.  It's beyond obnoxious.  And quite funny, actually.  I wish the Guardian had brought up Aineiran to her instead of the fact that she basically spouts platitudes.  Of course, maybe that was the point -- but if it were, it was lost on her.

The best advice I can give is to completely ignore party comments on your response to the spirit at the gauntlet, they never really fit context. Ever.. they are canned, and not tailored to what is actually being said. This is not the fault of the character, but of the way the dialogue was poorly structured. It really doesn't line up with her personality on the whole, if it were actually taken in context. It HAS no context, it's just thrown in.

[Sarah1281]

As stated above, you can at one point basically say "I think you're full of ****" and she won't give you any disapproval

In that ONE instance. She's also been known to disapprove of you more for telling her you can make your own decisions when you track down the blood mage slaver at the Alienage than if you agree to let him use the elves' lives to give you a stat boost.

[melkathi]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Wasn't that a theory a little while back? That Wynne's 'fade spirit' was actually a pride demon?

Read the first post that started this whole thread

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wynne sucks lulz.
Seriously she does. And Morrigan's answer to the guardian is badass!

For once I´m in the situation to agree with the Knight.


Wynne = most annoying party member in DAO.

[ejoslin]

Aisynia wrote...

The best advice I can give is to completely ignore party comments on your response to the spirit at the gauntlet, they never really fit context. Ever.. they are canned, and not tailored to what is actually being said. This is not the fault of the character, but of the way the dialogue was poorly structured. It really doesn't line up with her personality on the whole, if it were actually taken in context. It HAS no context, it's just thrown in.

Well, you can take it that way, or you can take it that Wynne DOES just spout platitudes and that's exactly what she's doing there.  She gives bad advice based on what has been drummed into her, and doesn't take individual situations into account.  I see no need to ignore the other party members comments there.  Nor hers, really, because if she's even recruited she's normally sitting in camp. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wynne sucks lulz.
Seriously she does. And Morrigan's answer to the guardian is badass!

For once I´m in the situation to agree with the Knight.


Wynne = most annoying party member in DAO.

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Meliorist13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Wynne sucks lulz.
Seriously she does. And Morrigan's answer to the guardian is badass! No one is on Morrigan's level.

This!  Morrigan rules!

Indeed she does