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[RogueWriter3201]

I can see the viewpoints here are rather Strong, and even some I don't agree with are done with maturity and valid points from thier perspectives. However, it would see almost *All* of those you dislike Wynne choose to play thier Warden as a quasi-antaganist as opposed to the more morally sound Hero. The simple fact of the matter is, Wynne's background shows a woman who has learned much from the Trials and Tribulations of her life. Yes, when we meet her at Ostagar for the first time she seems more cool, and not overly concerned with too much. However, one has to take in account that within that moment there is likely quite alot on her mind; how the battle will go, how much the mages will be able to do, what the hell is Uldred skulking around for, etc. She doesn't know the battle will end Horribly and she has yet to know the Warden has the Sole Hope for Fereldan.

When you encounter her later, yes the Guardian Spirit has taken her and has likely changed her slightly; keep in mind though, she intialy lost her Life saving Petra from a Demon. Such a sacrifice shows she was always someone who believed in putting others before themselves. Hell, if you play as a Circle Mage and you mention to her at Ostagar that you hope not to dissapoint those who have faith in you, she regards you more fondly, and seems more like the Wynne we come to know later. Putting these points together show that Wynne is at her core a person who reflects Compassion and Kindness. She can be stern when she needs to be, but always has the best intentions at heart.

Given this, of course she's not likely to condone the Actions of a Villain Warden; and, I'm sorry, but if you do things like talk the Lady into Destroying the Dalish or you choose to destroy the Ashes, you are not playing the Hero Warden, at least in the classic sense of the Term. So, yes, Wynne will oppose you, but it's kind of unfair to say the Character is annoying or a pain just because she won't follow you on the Road to Hell, respectively.

[Emerald Melios]

Terastar wrote...

Wynne has the spirit of Faith attached to her. She has strong morals and a strong sense of duty. From Dragon Age Orginins Awakening game guide.

So tha'ts why she's such a pain in the ass......

[Sarah1281]

glenboy24 wrote...

I can see the viewpoints here are rather Strong, and even some I don't agree with are done with maturity and valid points from thier perspectives. However, it would see almost *All* of those you dislike Wynne choose to play thier Warden as a quasi-antaganist as opposed to the more morally sound Hero. The simple fact of the matter is, Wynne's background shows a woman who has learned much from the Trials and Tribulations of her life. Yes, when we meet her at Ostagar for the first time she seems more cool, and not overly concerned with too much. However, one has to take in account that within that moment there is likely quite alot on her mind; how the battle will go, how much the mages will be able to do, what the hell is Uldred skulking around for, etc. She doesn't know the battle will end Horribly and she has yet to know the Warden has the Sole Hope for Fereldan.

When you encounter her later, yes the Guardian Spirit has taken her and has likely changed her slightly; keep in mind though, she intialy lost her Life saving Petra from a Demon. Such a sacrifice shows she was always someone who believed in putting others before themselves. Hell, if you play as a Circle Mage and you mention to her at Ostagar that you hope not to dissapoint those who have faith in you, she regards you more fondly, and seems more like the Wynne we come to know later. Putting these points together show that Wynne is at her core a person who reflects Compassion and Kindness. She can be stern when she needs to be, but always has the best intentions at heart.

Given this, of course she's not likely to condone the Actions of a Villain Warden; and, I'm sorry, but if you do things like talk the Lady into Destroying the Dalish or you choose to destroy the Ashes, you are not playing the Hero Warden, at least in the classic sense of the Term. So, yes, Wynne will oppose you, but it's kind of unfair to say the Character is annoying or a pain just because she won't follow you on the Road to Hell, respectively.

I only want to reply to part of this but I don't want to be accused of only reading part of it again so: doing things like destroying the Dalish or defiling the Ashes are not my canon choices. If I do them it's for the achievement and to see what happens before defaulting back to an earlier save. This way you can see how she reacts and why without actually bein an Villain Warden. Wynne can be talked into going along with a pointless slaughter of Dalish elves because it's not your job to save them but once you destroy the Urn she tries to kill you? She doesn't even try to stop you before? And it doesn't matter just how much of a tyrant she thinks you will be after the Blight is stopped: the point is that without you Ferelden will not HAVE an after. She's being shortsighted here and her objections about the Urn aren't even that the ashes were holy like Leliana's are but because you destroying an object no one really believes exists and no one will ever find out about magically destroys peoples' hope and she would rather everyone get killed by darkspawn then allow you to save the world after what you did.

And Wynne will follow you as you keep the Anvil, slaughter the Dalish, annul the Circle (as long as you don't announce it is your intention)...really, she'll go along with any 'evil' decision you make as long as it doesn't involve the premeditated wiping out of her lifelong home or destroying people's hope via the Urn. She doesn't ever take a stand apart from that, she just makes a few token protests while following you down the road to Hell.

[RogueWriter3201]

Sarah1281 wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

I can see the viewpoints here are rather Strong, and even some I don't agree with are done with maturity and valid points from thier perspectives. However, it would see almost *All* of those you dislike Wynne choose to play thier Warden as a quasi-antaganist as opposed to the more morally sound Hero. The simple fact of the matter is, Wynne's background shows a woman who has learned much from the Trials and Tribulations of her life. Yes, when we meet her at Ostagar for the first time she seems more cool, and not overly concerned with too much. However, one has to take in account that within that moment there is likely quite alot on her mind; how the battle will go, how much the mages will be able to do, what the hell is Uldred skulking around for, etc. She doesn't know the battle will end Horribly and she has yet to know the Warden has the Sole Hope for Fereldan.

When you encounter her later, yes the Guardian Spirit has taken her and has likely changed her slightly; keep in mind though, she intialy lost her Life saving Petra from a Demon. Such a sacrifice shows she was always someone who believed in putting others before themselves. Hell, if you play as a Circle Mage and you mention to her at Ostagar that you hope not to dissapoint those who have faith in you, she regards you more fondly, and seems more like the Wynne we come to know later. Putting these points together show that Wynne is at her core a person who reflects Compassion and Kindness. She can be stern when she needs to be, but always has the best intentions at heart.

Given this, of course she's not likely to condone the Actions of a Villain Warden; and, I'm sorry, but if you do things like talk the Lady into Destroying the Dalish or you choose to destroy the Ashes, you are not playing the Hero Warden, at least in the classic sense of the Term. So, yes, Wynne will oppose you, but it's kind of unfair to say the Character is annoying or a pain just because she won't follow you on the Road to Hell, respectively.

I only want to reply to part of this but I don't want to be accused of only reading part of it again so: doing things like destroying the Dalish or defiling the Ashes are not my canon choices. If I do them it's for the achievement and to see what happens before defaulting back to an earlier save. This way you can see how she reacts and why without actually bein an Villain Warden. Wynne can be talked into going along with a pointless slaughter of Dalish elves because it's not your job to save them but once you destroy the Urn she tries to kill you? She doesn't even try to stop you before? And it doesn't matter just how much of a tyrant she thinks you will be after the Blight is stopped: the point is that without you Ferelden will not HAVE an after. She's being shortsighted here and her objections about the Urn aren't even that the ashes were holy like Leliana's are but because you destroying an object no one really believes exists and no one will ever find out about magically destroys peoples' hope and she would rather everyone get killed by darkspawn then allow you to save the world after what you did.

And Wynne will follow you as you keep the Anvil, slaughter the Dalish, annul the Circle (as long as you don't announce it is your intention)...really, she'll go along with any 'evil' decision you make as long as it doesn't involve the premeditated wiping out of her lifelong home or destroying people's hope via the Urn. She doesn't ever take a stand apart from that, she just makes a few token protests while following you down the road to Hell.

Firstly, you really need to stop taking that comment personaly, when I mentioned people not reading the whole of posts I didn't point the finger directly at you; just stating an unfortunate fact which occurs in most Thread posts. As to the rest...

She may choose to stay her hand when you choose to destory the Dalish, but she does speak out against it. The fact that she does not attack can be attributed to either A) Knowing the Were would likely kill her before she could stop you, and That she hopes she can still somehow keep you on a better path. Also, she doesn't know for sure that Fereldan will not *have* a Future without you, since there is Alistair though he's not the First choice. Even when she chooses to strike you down at the Urn its certainly her hope that can she defeat you, it may be possible to salvage Alistair and keep him from becomming twisted like the Warden seems to be in your Universe.

As such, she's not being short-sighted, you're only choosing to see it as such. Also, even if she doesn't see the Urn as something as Sacred as Leliana sees it, she understands it's importance to people as a symbol, even if people don't know about it's exsistence yet. That's not to say they never world. Also, for what it represents, A Woman who tried to Save a world from itself and make it something better and free of Demonic Influence, the fact that you would want to destroy it is enough of a sign that the Warden's Soul is gone. The Actions at the Anvil, though questionable, can be justified as they *would* improve the chances of the Dwarves surviving, as such keep them alive to fight the Darkspawn. As to the Destruction of the Circle, that's not a gameplay, character, or Story element, that's a loophole, plain and simple. Could the Devs fix it, I'm sure they would.

[Sarah1281]

The destruction of the Circle is not a loophole. If Irving survives and you convince Greagoir that Cullen's right then Wynne will just ask Greagoir's permission to go with you instead. Greagoir is all for NOT annulling the Circle but you convince him otherwise and she's fine to go with such a bastion of purity and goodness.



If Wynne does not believe that the ashes are necessarily holy then how does destroying them mean you have no soul? You could be trying to prevent the Chantry from gaining strength, honestly believe Kolgrim about Andraste, or just trying to avoid a fight/get more recruits (he dosn't go on his crazy 'I hope the Blight kills everyone' until afterwards). And all Andraste did was help take down the Tevinter Imperium and help the elves get a homeland that they lost. If it weren't for the fact the Maker apparently loved her (which she very well could have just claimed to get support) then she'd just be the head of an army. The Chantry version of her has been distorted over the years.



If Alistair is with you she tries to kill him, too, so both of you are gone if she succeeds. What does she honestly expect to happen to the Urn when the darkspawn kill everyone?

[RogueWriter3201]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The destruction of the Circle is not a loophole. If Irving survives and you convince Greagoir that Cullen's right then Wynne will just ask Greagoir's permission to go with you instead. Greagoir is all for NOT annulling the Circle but you convince him otherwise and she's fine to go with such a bastion of purity and goodness.

If Wynne does not believe that the ashes are necessarily holy then how does destroying them mean you have no soul? You could be trying to prevent the Chantry from gaining strength, honestly believe Kolgrim about Andraste, or just trying to avoid a fight/get more recruits (he dosn't go on his crazy 'I hope the Blight kills everyone' until afterwards). And all Andraste did was help take down the Tevinter Imperium and help the elves get a homeland that they lost. If it weren't for the fact the Maker apparently loved her (which she very well could have just claimed to get support) then she'd just be the head of an army. The Chantry version of her has been distorted over the years.

If Alistair is with you she tries to kill him, too, so both of you are gone if she succeeds. What does she honestly expect to happen to the Urn when the darkspawn kill everyone?

Should you spare Erving, Wynne knows Gregoir will not permit Erving to be killed ouright nor the Children. He'll test them, just as they would for the Harrowing. In this case, the culling simply means the Tower itself will be destroyed or that anyone not willing to surrender to the Templars would be killed without question. The only Mages you would choose to resist would be Abominations or Blood Mages. Wynne's choice to go with you regarldess stems from her seeing how much potential you have should you be turned towards the path of Good; as a teacher it's in her nature to give you a chance as she learned when she didn't allow Anerin to grow as a better Mage.

Even if she doesn't see the Urn as the Sacred Remains of Adraste it is still of symbol of something "Better", of something "Pure", regarldess of what the Chantry has said. It give people Hope, and what does that say of a person who would be willing to destroy someone's Hope. Perserving the Urn doesn't give the Chantry More power, it's something that belongs to the people, even Brother Genitivi recognizes this and thier are likely many others who would as well. The Chantry could try, but it wouldn't succede, whether by the will of the people or the Maker who may still be a part of World even if his precense seems non-exsistant to some. Also, how can you say, "Adraste was just..." and then dimiss what she accomplished? She Stoped an Evil Empire devoted to basically Demon Worship and helped free an Enslaved People. These are small accompishments? Even has she not claimed to be the Bride of the Maker she would still be a Sacred figure, not Holy, but cherised none the less. She was far from just the Head of a Cult or Army. 

As to her Actions against Alistair, keep in mind Wynne's Magic permits her to bring someone back to life via healing Magic. She could have easily ensured you don't come back while returning Alistair's Life for the sake of keeping Hope Alive.  

[Sarah1281]

Wynne can't bring people back from the dead. If she kills Alistair, he is dead unless a fade spirit tries to possess him as well.



I'm not dismissing Andraste's accomplishments. She was a powerful general and she did something very impressive. She was still simply mortal and the cult that sprung up around her isn't an accurate reflection of that. They twisted her words and her purpose. She was a mage herself so how would she take the Chantry using her words to enslave mages? And of course the Chantry would gain power from this! The Chantry claims Andraste is the most special holy person ever and then her ashes are found and really can heal people? It will only turn more people to the Chantry despite the fact that it might just be the lyrium exposure. The Chantry doesn't even have to do anything besides publicize the knowledge and they will gain power. Since as far as we've been shown nothing good has ever happened from the Chantry having lots of power and people will not have their hope destroyed in an artifact they don't believe exists and won't hear of it destruction, how is destroying it an evil soulless thing that can only be responded to with an attempt to kill?



If you go in and tell Wynne 'Greagoir is right, the Circle must be annulled' she attacks you. If you tell Cullen that you'll kill all the mages, I could see that but if you said that Wynne trusts Greagoir to not kill everyone then why would she kill you for supporting annullment?

[RogueWriter3201]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Wynne can't bring people back from the dead. If she kills Alistair, he is dead unless a fade spirit tries to possess him as well.

I'm not dismissing Andraste's accomplishments. She was a powerful general and she did something very impressive. She was still simply mortal and the cult that sprung up around her isn't an accurate reflection of that. They twisted her words and her purpose. She was a mage herself so how would she take the Chantry using her words to enslave mages? And of course the Chantry would gain power from this! The Chantry claims Andraste is the most special holy person ever and then her ashes are found and really can heal people? It will only turn more people to the Chantry despite the fact that it might just be the lyrium exposure. The Chantry doesn't even have to do anything besides publicize the knowledge and they will gain power. Since as far as we've been shown nothing good has ever happened from the Chantry having lots of power and people will not have their hope destroyed in an artifact they don't believe exists and won't hear of it destruction, how is destroying it an evil soulless thing that can only be responded to with an attempt to kill?

If you go in and tell Wynne 'Greagoir is right, the Circle must be annulled' she attacks you. If you tell Cullen that you'll kill all the mages, I could see that but if you said that Wynne trusts Greagoir to not kill everyone then why would she kill you for supporting annullment?

Wynne *Can* Bring people back from the Verge of Death, and she has enough Spells to assume she could serously injure Alistair, enough to get him out of the way and Heal him later. Also, the fact that a Skull appears when a character goes down doesn't mean, "Wow, guess he/she's really tired," However, Revived brings them back. So, it's possible Wynne does have the ability to bring someone back from Death as long as the body isn't too decimated or the head isn't missing.

Also, you claim the Chantry has never done any good; and thier History does reflect poor choices. However, the Chanter's board Alone demonstraits that where-as at times the Leadership of the Chantry is corrupt, the Institution and Religion itself is not. They protect the Innocent, They Care for the Sick, They try to Give the City Elves some sembalance of Free rights and Life. To claim that the whole of the Chantry is Corrupt is like condeming all of Germany for the ****s. Not everyone was okay with the things done, and the same can be applied to the Chantry. Also, the Chantry doesn't *Enslave* Mages, they keep things from becomming another Tevinter, which could very well happen if Mages were allowed to study what they wished and Practice what Magin they wish. And you have No Way of know that Andraste's words were Twisted, for all we know the Chantry is going about things exactly as she wished. To protect mundane people from those who could use Magic to Harm them.

[Sarah1281]

As much as I would really like to address your post here and in the other thread it won't lead anywhere and it's already getting too heated so I'm staying out of this, too.

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh yes, the Chantry has CERTAINLY done much good by destroying the Dales, supporting Meghren when he ruled Fereldan, just for their own gains, enslaving the mages ( and yes it IS slavery despite your bull**** thinking that it might not be, or perhaps it IS OKAY to rob people of their free will, even force some to become Tranquil, lock them away in a tower. As Leliana puts it's: I would not even treat an animal as such.

So could you please for a second not be so such a complete and utter idiot? This isn't the Mass Effect 2 board, here we have things like REASON and LOGIC, which you clearly ****ing lack.

The Chantry did not free the elves, Andraste did. The Chantry did not stop Tevinter Blood Mages, Andraste did, and Andraste was a bloody mage.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 24 mai 2010 - 02:01 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Oh yes, the Chantry has CERTAINLY done much good by destroying the Dales, supporting Meghren when he ruled Fereldan, just for their own gains, enslaving the mages ( and yes it IS slavery despite your bull**** thinking that it might not be, or perhaps it IS OKAY to rob people of their free will, even force some to become Tranquil, lock them away in a tower. As Leliana puts it's: I would not even treat an animal as such.

So could you please for a second not be so such a complete and utter idiot? This isn't the Mass Effect 2 board, here we have things like REASON and LOGIC, which you clearly ****ing lack.

The Chantry did not free the elves, Andraste did. The Chantry did not stop Tevinter Blood Mages, Andraste did, and Andraste was a bloody mage.

(Laughs) For someone who apparently believes in Mature, Educated Arguments based on Facts, Sound Reasoning, and Logic, you sure come off as someone's who is Crude, Rude, Antaganistic, Ignorant, and Devoid of seeing any viewpoint other than thier own Aggresive standpoints. 

First, of course the Chantry has taken part in Terrible actions that can not be excused. The Razing of the Dales was a Horrible thing, despite the fact that the Elves attacked first, inciting a Exalted March, which frankly was going too far. Diplomacy could have gone farther, sadly, the Divine of the Chantry chose otherwise. However, you can not condemn the Institution itself and all the Good it represents (Andraste, Liberation and Protection from Demons, Healing the Sick, etc) for the Actions of the Leadership. As I mentioned before, that would be akin to Hating a Country for the Actions of a few in Power. Is the Chantry Ideal at the time of Dragon Age? Oh, God no. Is there a chance things could change for the better? Always, and that's what you work towards as the Warden. Hopefully, BioWare will permit that.

Also, the only thing which points to Andraste Not truly being a Prophet or Bride of the Maker is the Book Found in Orzammar. There is just as much evidence indicating Andraste was truly the Blessed of the Maker as there is that she may have simply been a Mage of Incredible Power and Intelligence. Again, hopefully BioWare will reveal those secrets overtime.

As to the Circle Itself? Of course I don't think it's the most ideal situation. No one wants to have someone leaning over thier Shoulder Twenty Four Hours a Day, Seven Days a Week. But, the fact is that Magic *is* Dangerous, and the Chantry is the most direct means of Effecting a System of Checks and Blances for the Mages. As I mentioned before, it would be Great if the Mages completely Govern themselves, and I do think there is a Way to do that without having the Templars there all the time. If you play a Mage, Alistair even announces that the Circle in Fereldan will be able to Govern itself without the Chantry, and it will be interesting to see in Dragon Age 2 if that Worked or Backfired.

If you'd like to counter and persue a Debate, I'm all for that. If your response is something Vulgar then such is your Karma and of course I'll focus on other posts actually worth commenting on.

[LobselVith8]

glenboy24 wrote...

First, of course the Chantry has taken part in Terrible actions that can not be excused. The Razing of the Dales was a Horrible thing, despite the fact that the Elves attacked first, inciting a Exalted March, which frankly was going too far. Diplomacy could have gone farther, sadly, the Divine of the Chantry chose otherwise. However, you can not condemn the Institution itself and all the Good it represents (Andraste, Liberation and Protection from Demons, Healing the Sick, etc) for the Actions of the Leadership. As I mentioned before, that would be akin to Hating a Country for the Actions of a few in Power. Is the Chantry Ideal at the time of Dragon Age? Oh, God no. Is there a chance things could change for the better? Always, and that's what you work towards as the Warden. Hopefully, BioWare will permit that.

I think you can condemn the institution when it teaches hatred of others. Yes, the Chantry might change for the better, but there's also a chance that it could turn out for the worst. The Chantry is an institution that ingrains people to hate mages and distrust anyone who doesn't believe in the Maker (Alistair makes reference to what he was taught about the Qunari, for instance). The Chantry is spreading its influence throughout Thedas and asserting its control. There's a lot of speculation that the Dales having a populace that believed in gods and not the Maker played a role in the attack against the Dales, especially since Orlais is the power base of the Chantry. The idea that the elves attacked first is mentioned by Orlais, but we really don't know all the facts. Yes, the elves attacked the town of Red Crossing, but it could've been provoked by a prior attack made by Orlais against one of the elven settlements.

glenboy24 wrote...

Also, the only thing which points to Andraste Not truly being a Prophet or Bride of the Maker is the Book Found in Orzammar. There is just as much evidence indicating Andraste was truly the Blessed of the Maker as there is that she may have simply been a Mage of Incredible Power and Intelligence. Again, hopefully BioWare will reveal those secrets overtime.

There's no proof she was a prophet. Yes, "The Search for the True Prophet" reads that she was a mage, but there's no proof either way. Some people have faith that she was the Bride of the Maker, others believe that Andraste was a mage, and I'm sure that there are people who think she was a charlatan. The fact that she was said to have powers but couldn't use any of them to save her from being burned alive could illustrate that she was a fraud.

glenboy24 wrote...

As to the Circle Itself? Of course I don't think it's the most ideal situation. No one wants to have someone leaning over thier Shoulder Twenty Four Hours a Day, Seven Days a Week. But, the fact is that Magic *is* Dangerous, and the Chantry is the most direct means of Effecting a System of Checks and Blances for the Mages. As I mentioned before, it would be Great if the Mages completely Govern themselves, and I do think there is a Way to do that without having the Templars there all the time. If you play a Mage, Alistair even announces that the Circle in Fereldan will be able to Govern itself without the Chantry, and it will be interesting to see in Dragon Age 2 if that Worked or Backfired.

The Chantry's treatment of mages does inspire people to hate the Chantry for how it treats them. The Chantry takes away the children of mages from the moment they are born. DA:O is filled with people who hate or distrust mages because of their religious belief in the Maker. People are imprisoned in a dark tower for having magical abilities, who are overseen by people who hate them and murder them if they run away, and can be turned into emotionless slaves to craft runes on demand. For the past 700 years, templars have culled Circles because mages have revolted against the tyranny of the Chantry and the templars. As for mages governing themselves, considering how significant this decision is for mages in Ferelden (and possibly as a beacon of hope for mages across Thedas) I wish that the Magi Boon played a role in Awakening since it's a fairly big deal. I hope you're right and that DA2 actually allows this boon to play a role in the storyline.

[Addai]

Awww, this thread brings back such good memories. 

[Zjarcal]

It's back, it's back!

[mousestalker]

Should we set out garlands of garlic or invite it in for a nice cup of tea?

Modifié par mousestalker, 31 août 2010 - 06:42 .

[flexxdk]

Ah, so there IS a thread that is devoted to hating Wynne...



Seems I'm not the only one hating Wynne. Thank the Maker...

I'd happily shove this dagger up her arse any time soon.

I just hate her whining, moaning and complaining over my relationship with Leliana. And I certainly do not accept her apologies - it means diddly-squat to me.
If I didn't knew better, I'd think Wynne was jealous of Leliana.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm impressed people have such energy and desire to spare to hate and wish great amounts of pain on someone who's biggest crime is self-righteous moralizing nagging.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 31 août 2010 - 07:50 .

[mousestalker]

Whacka wrote...

Ah, so there IS a thread that is devoted to hating Wynne...



Seems I'm not the only one hating Wynne. Thank the Maker...

I'd happily shove this dagger up her arse any time soon.

I just hate her whining, moaning and complaining over my relationship with Leliana. And I certainly do not accept her apologies - it means diddly-squat to me.
If I didn't knew better, I'd think Wynne was jealous of Leliana.

That would be an excellent subject for a fanfic. Well worth contemplating as story ideas go.

[Zjarcal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I'm impressed people have such energy and desire to spare to hate and wish great amounts of pain on someone who's biggest crime is self-righteous moralizing nagging.

Newsflash, self-righteous moralizing naggers are amongst the most annoying people in the world.

EDIT: Emphasis on "annoying", not necessarily horrible people who deserve death. Though I won't berate anyone who kills her in the game! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 31 août 2010 - 08:02 .

[flexxdk]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I'm impressed people have such energy and desire to spare to hate and wish great amounts of pain on someone who's biggest crime is self-righteous moralizing nagging.

When there's an opportunity, I go for it! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

If you had nagging parents, you'd feel different...

[KnightofPhoenix]

...Are you suggesting you would shove a dagger up your parent's arses?

[flexxdk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

...Are you suggesting you would shove a dagger up your parent's arses?

Only if I could... < insert evil laughter here >

Now that we had the horrible HORRIBLE (and awful) joke, we can move on.

No! No, of course not! Are you insane?!

They do drive me insane at some moments, but... they're still my parents. Wynne, however, is different. She's NOT my mother, so she basically has two options:

1) Get a dagger up her arse, or...
2) Learn to know when to shut up AND stop nagging me to death.

Modifié par Whacka, 31 août 2010 - 08:15 .

[ejoslin]

Oh dear... because we all know that anything we enjoy doing to a fictional character in a fantasy game means, well, gah. I have no clue what it means. But Wynne seriously annoys me. Though she's not that bad this game. Sitting in camp, teaching Alistair how to cook.



I'm sure I had a point, but I lost it somewhere along the line.

[Zjarcal]

Whacka wrote...

They do drive me insane at some moments, but... they're still my parents. Wynne, however, is different. She's NOT my mother, so she basically has two options:

1) Get a dagger up her arse, or...
2) Learn to know when to shut up.

This is really the point. My parents can enlighten me (*nag*) all they want. If Eleanor and Bryce Cousland decided to lock my HNF in a room and shove advice down her throat for hours, she wouldn't be happy about it, but she wouldn't complain. Because it's their right to do so.

Wynne has no such right.

EDIT: Not that Wynne actually locks us is in a room, but it sure feels like it!

Wynnie the Poo! 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 31 août 2010 - 08:23 .