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[RPGmom28]

I find Wynne to be a comforting presence in the group. She's witty, and she's a very good addition to any group with her skills. Of course, all of my characters are on the good end of the spectrum, so nothing I do upsets her except for my warden's insistence on dallying about with hot men. Which I won't apologize for, and will never, ever stop doing. But she gets over it.

[maxernst]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The funny thing is i didn't think the comments about wynne were so hateful -- especially considering what other characters get! THIS thread has lots of Wynne hate, though! it much!

No, but I do think the Wynne haters are such a numerical majority (and so enthusiastic LOL) that we easily overwhelm.

Unlike Alistair, Loghain, Zevran and Morrigan, Wynne's supporters tend to be much less passionate than her detractors.

[Reaverwind]

Zjarcal wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh good so people can post here instead of the support thread.

Although without hate the support thread may die pretty quickly... that's been the fate of every other Wynne fan thread.

So true - Wynne is a pretty unremarkable character aside from her sermons.

[Ryzaki]

maxernst wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The funny thing is i didn't think the comments about wynne were so hateful -- especially considering what other characters get! THIS thread has lots of Wynne hate, though! it much!

No, but I do think the Wynne haters are such a numerical majority (and so enthusiastic LOL) that we easily overwhelm.

Unlike Alistair, Loghain, Zevran and Morrigan, Wynne's supporters tend to be much less passionate than her detractors.

^This. You rarely get massive wall of texts trying to downplay her flaws.

Anyways the support thread lasting isn't really a concern. Just a place for people to like Wynne without being bombarded by hate would be nice.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 09:51 .

[Sarah1281]

Oh, I don't know. There's always the old 'You don't like Wynne so that means you must hate all old people, particularly your grandmother' types.

[Ryzaki]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh, I don't know. There's always the old 'You don't like Wynne so that means you must hate all old people, particularly your grandmother' types.

Considering there's people like that for every character it's nothing special.

[Reaverwind]

Ryzaki wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The funny thing is i didn't think the comments about wynne were so hateful -- especially considering what other characters get! THIS thread has lots of Wynne hate, though! it much!

No, but I do think the Wynne haters are such a numerical majority (and so enthusiastic LOL) that we easily overwhelm.

Unlike Alistair, Loghain, Zevran and Morrigan, Wynne's supporters tend to be much less passionate than her detractors.

^This. You rarely get massive wall of texts trying to downplay her flaws.

Anyways the support thread lasting isn't really a concern. Just a place for people to like Wynne without being bombarded by hate would be nice.

It's hard to defend her. She IS preachy, and her dialogues are designed to appeal to syncophants, really. I actually liked her on my second playthrough (on my first playthrough, she ended up dead as soon as we met - thanks, Morrigan!) - but my opinion plummeted with my 3rd playthrough as a mage - one who took her Warden role very seriously.

[Ryzaki]

So I'm a sycophant? Nice to know.

[ejoslin]

but again, most of the posts in the wynne-love thread weren't hateful! I saw only one person posting full on venom.



gah, well, threads without differing opinions get boring quickly. Even the love threads usually have people disagreeing on stuff.



I'm sure someone will be in here again, set in their mind that i hate my grandmother (who passed on years ago -- I'm quite middle aged). I find them fun!

[Addai]

RPGmom28 wrote...

I find Wynne to be a comforting presence in the group. She's witty, and she's a very good addition to any group with her skills. Of course, all of my characters are on the good end of the spectrum, so nothing I do upsets her except for my warden's insistence on dallying about with hot men. Which I won't apologize for, and will never, ever stop doing. But she gets over it.

I play generally good characters, but I still can't stand her.  Morrigan's disapproval here or there doesn't bother me.  I don't require NPCs to agree with all my decisions.

I think like others, playing a PC mage is really where my Wynne hate got going.  A mage who romances Zevran in particular.  Blah blah Circle blah blah is eaiser to ignore when you weren't imprisoned there against your will.  Then again, it's also fun to tweak her on that very issue.  It's just too bad you can't meet Aneirin unless you have her approval up- that would really seal the deal on showing just how bad that old bag is at "mentoring".

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...
It's just too bad you can't meet Aneirin unless you have her approval up- that would really seal the deal on showing just how bad that old bag is at "mentoring".

That's the problem of playing a "hate" game with Wynne. If you have her at hostile approval you miss out on her quest and further dialogs that expose her hypocrisy.

Oh well, at least if you get her to -100 she'll leave out of her own will. The happiest moment in the game!

Well, second to killing her but still. 

[IanPolaris]

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
It's just too bad you can't meet Aneirin unless you have her approval up- that would really seal the deal on showing just how bad that old bag is at "mentoring".

That's the problem of playing a "hate" game with Wynne. If you have her at hostile approval you miss out on her quest and further dialogs that expose her hypocrisy.

Oh well, at least if you get her to -100 she'll leave out of her own will. The happiest moment in the game!

Well, second to killing her but still. 

I just bring Morrigan along with me to the tower.  The Wynne problem is quickly solved.  Enough said (unless I want to be a good bloodmage but that problem too solves itself).

-Polaris

[Sarah1281]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh, I don't know. There's always the old 'You don't like Wynne so that means you must hate all old people, particularly your grandmother' types.

Considering there's people like that for every character it's nothing special.

I didn't actually say that it was anything special (although hating on other characters generally doesn't warrant a 'Why do you hate your grandmother?'). I was responding to the statement that Wynne supporters don't have that kind of thing and other character's supporters do. In fact, it not being anything special was kind of the point.

[Ryzaki]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh, I don't know. There's always the old 'You don't like Wynne so that means you must hate all old people, particularly your grandmother' types.

Considering there's people like that for every character it's nothing special.

I didn't actually say that it was anything special (although hating on other characters generally doesn't warrant a 'Why do you hate your grandmother?'). I was responding to the statement that Wynne supporters don't have that kind of thing and other character's supporters do. In fact, it not being anything special was kind of the point.

The kind of thing when there's a few crazies that go utterly beserk about you not liking their favorite character? No that's not special.

I was merely saying I saw it far more rarely on Wynne then with other characters.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:36 .

[Zjarcal]

IanPolaris wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
It's just too bad you can't meet Aneirin unless you have her approval up- that would really seal the deal on showing just how bad that old bag is at "mentoring".

That's the problem of playing a "hate" game with Wynne. If you have her at hostile approval you miss out on her quest and further dialogs that expose her hypocrisy.

Oh well, at least if you get her to -100 she'll leave out of her own will. The happiest moment in the game!

Well, second to killing her but still. 

I just bring Morrigan along with me to the tower.  The Wynne problem is quickly solved.  Enough said (unless I want to be a good bloodmage but that problem too solves itself).

-Polaris

Oh, I do that too on one of my games (with my Dalish, though my CE kills her without any intervention from Morrigan), but the thing is that for some of my characters even agreeing with Morrigan (however slightly) is too OOC, including my bloodmage.

But on my canon run (which I'm about to replay), I will let her live and then proceed to do as many things that annoy her in the game, like sending her to the Fade via Jowan's blood ritual. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:01 .

[Reaverwind]

ejoslin wrote...

but again, most of the posts in the wynne-love thread weren't hateful! I saw only one person posting full on venom.

gah, well, threads without differing opinions get boring quickly. Even the love threads usually have people disagreeing on stuff.

I'm sure someone will be in here again, set in their mind that i hate my grandmother (who passed on years ago -- I'm quite middle aged). I find them fun!

Or my favorite: Wynne haters apparently only play EVIIIIILLLL characters.

[Zjarcal]

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

but again, most of the posts in the wynne-love thread weren't hateful! I saw only one person posting full on venom.

gah, well, threads without differing opinions get boring quickly. Even the love threads usually have people disagreeing on stuff.

I'm sure someone will be in here again, set in their mind that i hate my grandmother (who passed on years ago -- I'm quite middle aged). I find them fun!

Or my favorite: Wynne haters apparently only play EVIIIIILLLL characters.

This one REALLY annoys me!

[Reaverwind]

Zjarcal wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

but again, most of the posts in the wynne-love thread weren't hateful! I saw only one person posting full on venom.

gah, well, threads without differing opinions get boring quickly. Even the love threads usually have people disagreeing on stuff.

I'm sure someone will be in here again, set in their mind that i hate my grandmother (who passed on years ago -- I'm quite middle aged). I find them fun!

Or my favorite: Wynne haters apparently only play EVIIIIILLLL characters.

This one REALLY annoys me!

Yea, it's a laughable assumption. My full-blown dislike of Wynne began with a mage character who abhorred blood magic, saved the Circle, and didn't defile the Ashes. However, she earned Wynne's disapproval for taking her role as a Warden too seriously to consider returning to the Circle. It's curious how any other Warden gains Wynne's approval for acknowledging their old life is over, but the mage Warden is expected to fulfill Wynne's ambitions.

[BlazingSpeed]

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
It's just too bad you can't meet Aneirin unless you have her approval up- that would really seal the deal on showing just how bad that old bag is at "mentoring".

That's the problem of playing a "hate" game with Wynne. If you have her at hostile approval you miss out on her quest and further dialogs that expose her hypocrisy.

Oh well, at least if you get her to -100 she'll leave out of her own will. The happiest moment in the game!

Well, second to killing her but still. 

Wait it takes -100?! to make an NPC abandon you? The most I've ever lost was -72 from Morrigan because I dumped her but she was at 82 when I did that.

You may as well just tell Wynne (or who ever else...) to go straight to hell like Morrigan basic-ly does and in a lesser sense Loghain.

[Zjarcal]

Reaverwind wrote...
Yea, it's a laughable assumption. My full-blown dislike of Wynne began with a mage character who abhorred blood magic, saved the Circle, and didn't defile the Ashes. However, she earned Wynne's disapproval for taking her role as a Warden too seriously to consider returning to the Circle. It's curious how any other Warden gains Wynne's approval for acknowledging their old life is over, but the mage Warden is expected to fulfill Wynne's ambitions.

Indeed. My dislike for Wynne started with my HN who was by all means a "good" character (and I hate using that description). My dislike didn't turn to hate until I got the blood mage confrontation with my mage, but before anyone says "Aha! It was with an evil character that you hated Wynne.", blood mage PC =/= "evil" character.

BlazingSpeed wrote...

Wait it takes -100?! to make an NPC abandon you? The most I've ever lost was -72 from Morrigan because I dumped her but she was at 82 when I did that.

You may as well just tell Wynne (or who ever else...) to go straight to hell like Morrigan basic-ly does and in a lesser sense Loghain.

You can't tell Wynne to leave the party like with other companions. That annoys me SO much!

[Reaverwind]

Zjarcal wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...
Yea, it's a laughable assumption. My full-blown dislike of Wynne began with a mage character who abhorred blood magic, saved the Circle, and didn't defile the Ashes. However, she earned Wynne's disapproval for taking her role as a Warden too seriously to consider returning to the Circle. It's curious how any other Warden gains Wynne's approval for acknowledging their old life is over, but the mage Warden is expected to fulfill Wynne's ambitions.

Indeed. My dislike for Wynne started with my HN who was by all means a "good" character (and I hate using that description). My dislike didn't turn to hate until I got the blood mage confrontation with my mage, but before anyone says "Aha! It was with an evil character that you hated Wynne.", blood mage PC =/= "evil" character.

BlazingSpeed wrote...

Wait it takes -100?! to make an NPC abandon you? The most I've ever lost was -72 from Morrigan because I dumped her but she was at 82 when I did that.

You may as well just tell Wynne (or who ever else...) to go straight to hell like Morrigan basic-ly does and in a lesser sense Loghain.

You can't tell Wynne to leave the party like with other companions. That annoys me SO much!

Yea, it's irritating. It irks me even more that the only way to avoid having her forced into your party involves killing several bystanders.  I don't particularly care for Morrigan or Loghain, but I so looooove how they put Wynne in her place.

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...

The kind of thing when there's a few crazies that go utterly beserk about you not liking their favorite character? No that's not special.

I was merely saying I saw it far more rarely on Wynne then with other characters.

No, Sarah's right.  People can get really judgmental about you not liking Wynne.  Like she's all molasses cookies and warm slippers, and if you don't like her you "hate your grandmother" or "hate mentoring".  I think one guy said it means you hate yourself.

Whatever!  That just makes me want to fireball her even more. 

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The kind of thing when there's a few crazies that go utterly beserk about you not liking their favorite character? No that's not special.

I was merely saying I saw it far more rarely on Wynne then with other characters.

No, Sarah's right.  People can get really judgmental about you not liking Wynne.  Like she's all molasses cookies and warm slippers, and if you don't like her you "hate your grandmother" or "hate mentoring".  I think one guy said it means you hate yourself.

Whatever!  That just makes me want to fireball her even more. 

I think this is the best example of a judgmental Wynne fan...

http://social.biowar...41099/1#4543930

Reaverwind wrote...
Yea, it's irritating. It irks me even more that the only way to avoid having her forced into your party involves killing several bystanders.  I don't particularly care for Morrigan or Loghain, but I so looooove how they put Wynne in her place.

I know, and I admit that I can't bring myself to kill her on two of my characters because it's too OOC for them. Why couldn't there have been a persuade option to convince her to stay behind? Or a "knock her out" option?

I realize that it fits Wynne's character to be stubborn and force herself into the party, but surely they could've come with a better alternative than having to kill her and all the apprentices in order to avoid her.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 15 décembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[Reaverwind]

Zjarcal wrote...

I realize that it fits Wynne's character to be stubborn and force herself into the party, but surely they could've come with a better alternative than having to kill her and all the apprentices in order to avoid her.

Oh, I agree. The Warden should have had the option to tell her "Hell, no, you're staying here, now take that damned barrier down."

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The kind of thing when there's a few crazies that go utterly beserk about you not liking their favorite character? No that's not special.

I was merely saying I saw it far more rarely on Wynne then with other characters.

No, Sarah's right.  People can get really judgmental about you not liking Wynne.  Like she's all molasses cookies and warm slippers, and if you don't like her you "hate your grandmother" or "hate mentoring".  I think one guy said it means you hate yourself.

Whatever!  That just makes me want to fireball her even more. 

/shrug

One guy is a vast minority. That said I'm not going to argue about it.

And there's nothing wrong with hating her! I hate quite a few NPCs myself (that said I don't go onto the support group to say so).