She doesn't have the plot ability during the Uldred fight. And my mage warden which is a blood mage/spirit healer is FAR more powerful. I find controlling far more powerful than healing, anyway. If they can't hit you, you don't need healing.
And yes, she had no business with the rude comments, throwing insults at both Zevran (which really has a far different sound than if Alistair or Leliana is the romance partner) and the Warden. And yes, she does apologize, but she owes the warden an apology, and in the Zevran romance, it happens far later in the game since the romance doesn't turn to love until later in the game. And Wynne should not be viewing the warden as a child -- that's silly. The warden is NOT a child, and shouldn't be called such (which Wynne DOES call her in that confrontation). And you're leaving out the part where you don't have to let her accompany you. If you respect someone, you don't trash talk them.
Even Leliana will say that if you trust Zevran, so does she, because you haven't led them astray yet.
To some extent, most of your companions will discuss your relationship in party banter. It may be as little as Alistair questioning Leliana as to what someone sees in Zevran, or it may be Wynne making comments about Alistair and the warden having sex and where babies come from. Shale, Oghren, and Morrigan will make direct comments about the relationships as well. It's not like there's this huge secret being kept. The difference is, no one else is saying that they should end it, and being really rude about it.
Edit: I wonder, though, if Wynne is just so used to being a mentor that it being a bad thing undermining her leader's authority doesn't even occur to her?
Who was the mage warden's mentor anyway? I actually think it was Irving (Uldred says something about her being Irvings star pupil), but I don't think it's ever really said.
Ok, a mage PC is always going to be stronger than a mage NPC, tha'ts a no-brainer. With any other character she's a huge asset to that fight since using crowd control really isn't an option. And with her (or a PC spirit healer, w/e) you really don't need crowd control.
Actually, the warden really is a child, relatively speaking. It depends on the origin, but I get the impression from the origins and what I know of history you're not much over 18 if you're even that old. I'm only in my 20's and I consider 18-20 year-old's kids, I can only imagine what it would be like at her age. So yeah, you're a kid. Get over it.
Wynne doesn't undermine your authority--she has that conversation with you in camp, away from the other party members. As a member of the group, she brings up valid concerns about your commitment both to your love interest and to stopping the Blight. Were I in the same situation, with my life on the line, I would be concerned, too. As the leader of the group, the question of whether or not your head is in the game is NOT your "personal business."
She certainly thought she could kill the Warden on more than one occasion, which shows she greatly underestimated the Warden's strength.
funny thing about that... she underestimated my dogs strength since my dog killed her in my casteless dwarf playthrough when I defiled the ashes before she could draw her staff
So does Sten, but you don't seem to have a problem with him? Looks to me like you're just picking at things you wouldn't criticize in other people. As for Dog, I don't think any NPC ever accuses a mabari of being weak. Arl Eamon tells you that you can't have your mabari duel Loghain because then "anyone who owned a mabari would have a shot at the throne," not because he thinks Dog might lose.
Plus, it's not so much an issue of her underestimating your strength as having convictions that are worth fighting or potentially dying for. Taking on yourself plus two other party members is pretty clearly a losing proposition, but she does it anyway. A lot of people would consider that sort of conviction and resolve an admirable trait, but you turn it into "underestimating the warden's strength." Again, taking attributes that aren't really negatives and making them out as bad because you already don't like them.
have you EVER gotten the relationship "advice" concerning Zevran she is downright RUDE to you and treats you like a 15 year old teenager in lust who would drop all responsibility at the drop of a hat and IM sorry but the Warden is a grown Man/woman and she has no right to view you as a child, also her apology to her pretty much insulting you to your face comes MUCH MUCH later in the game than the others like over a year late
As I said before, you're hardly a grown man/woman, and especially not from the perspective of someone Wynne's age. No, I haven't had that conversation with Wynne; I think I killed her the time I romanced Zevran. The point at which she apologizes is not "MUCH MUCH later." It varies, but I think I've had it as soon as the next time I visited camp.
Modifié par soteria, 10 février 2010 - 08:32 .
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