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[Cuddlezarro]

ejoslin wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I can't wait to hear Wynne's sermon about Morrigan. This had better be good or I'm going to be disappointed.

Screen shots, PLEASE! Or at least a transcription!

Pretty please?

if you want I could take screen shots right now since the old hag just joined my party and its still possible for me to start up morrigans romance (I dont find it as harsh as her talk with zevran though)

EDIT: here are pics of the unique parts of the Wynn worried about morrigan romance talk... I dont find it nearly as harsh as her Zevran talk even her tone of voice isnt as harsh














everything after this is exactly the same as the other versions

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 06:05 .

[Addai]

LOL And I just told her it didn't concern her. I missed out on the real fun, being lectured on decorum and a comment about his family jewels!

[Cuddlezarro]

I love her voice when she says the decorum line you really did miss out



shame Zevran's version doesnt have any funny comments like that then again Zevrans version shes like 100 times harsher >_>

[ejoslin]

Wow, that is bad, but yes, you get FAR better responses . . . hahahaha

Edit: So she comes off as concerned in that one?  I was reading it with the same tone she uses with Zevran, but if it's the tone she uses with Alistair, it's not so horrible.  I would have thought she hated Morrigan as much as Zevran.  And you can't even blame it on m/m because I suspect it's exactly the same as the m/f one.

Second edit: I just did another playthrough where I let Wynne survive for the sole reason that I like her apology about Zevran so much. I suppose that since Zevran is the least popular of the romance options (even though his romance is the deepest *grin*), people miss how horrible Wynne can be in that talk.  It still makes me want to tear out her hair.  But her apology is the best as well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 février 2010 - 11:54 .

[Sabriana]

Wait? What? She says that Morrigan is a 'malificar'? Is that if you make her a blood mage, or is Wynne simply being Wynne (as in making assumptions and then treating them as facts)?



The only reason she gets to live is because her apology in regards to Zevran is so great. My PC doesn't even talk to her until Zevran hits 100 love. Simply because then she doesn't have to do a slow burn while rushing around gathering allies. I swear, I did it once, and all game long my PC was seriously po'd at Wynne, and felt like snarling at the mage everytime she walked past her.

As soon as Zevran is ready and willing to admit his love to her, my PC starts talking to Wynne. She gets the "you two are quite taken..." dialogue, but at least she gets the Wynne-apology right after

[ejoslin]

I still can't believe Wynne gave my warden -18 for telling her to keep her opinions to herself. The worst I've ever gotten from Zevran for telling him to shut up is -3. I could understand a huge approval ding for allowing the slaver to kill the elves, but not for just telling her to shut up!

Then again, I usually get an approval ding for the relationship talk as well.  So I'm used to those.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

Wait? What? She says that Morrigan is a 'malificar'? Is that if you make her a blood mage, or is Wynne simply being Wynne (as in making assumptions and then treating them as facts)?

The specilizations you give companions do not affect any dialogue. Wynne calls Morrigan a malificar by default

[Sabriana]

That's what I thought, Melkathi, else she would have to pitch a fit when the PC makes her (Wynne) a blood mage. Which she doesn't. I know she tries to turn the PC in at the end of the circle quest if she's (PC) a blood mage, but I was pretty sure that spec choices for companions wouldn't show up in dialogue.

So 'tis just Wynne being Wynne then. No wonder Morrigan dislikes her so much.

Edited for clarity. Or not. Depends, really.

Modifié par Sabriana, 18 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The maleficar thing caught me as well. I'm thinking what a judgemental, narrow minded cow! Just because Morrigan isn't a Circle slave, that automatically makes her a maleficar, as opposed to being merely an apostate? Judgemental old cow.



Wynne might be the mage, but she is far more the templar than Alistair could ever be. Alistair, at least grudgingly, will accept blood magic as an option, and doesn't flip out on your if you spec it. (He only objects in the Jowan/Isolde part, and that's mostly because you killed Isolde) Wynne might claim not to be a big Chantry believer, but she certainly carries the dogma around and likes to cram it down everyone's throat. Does she really try and tattle on a blood mage in the epilogue? That would be pretty funny.



Blood Mage is the only spec that shows up in a dialogue, and only with Wynne. Obviously, for all her infinite "wisdom" she seems to forget the part where Blood Mages in the Grey Wardens are pretty much outside of Chantry and local law. She must have overlooked that part when she was too busy looking up the rules that state Wardens can't have love affairs with each other and assassins. Never got the dialogue for leliana, but I imagine it was probably nicer, since she seems to like Leliana, who in some ways, is worse than Zevran.



I am sooo looking forward to my mage playthrough so I can really go off on her. My first mage, who wasn't a blood mage, didn't like her that much, but still, for some strange reason, managed to have her approval up despite bashing the Circle and telling her to ****** off and go play grandma.

[Sabriana]

@ Skadi



Lol, that's exactly what Irving tells her when she tries to turn in the PC blood mage. That the wardens employ other magic, and that she (Wynne) should be quiet. That was too funny, he actually is annoyed with her. I started liking Irving right then and there.



I used to be impatient with Morrigan in the Circle, but I'm coming around. Especially after seeing this bit of dialogue. Alistair and Leliana get far nicer treatment in the "You two are quite taken with each other" dialogue. She's very concerned about Alistair and Leliana.

Morrigan gets a so-so dialogue, and Zevran gets raked over the coals. It's no wonder he goes for max discomfort for her in their banter. She deserves it, and it shuts her up quite nicely.

[ejoslin]

@ Skadi and Sabriana, YES! Gah to Wynne. The chantry screwed her over so badly, but she still supports them 100%. I don't get her at all; why she thinks everyone should go through the misery she went through.



@Cuddlezarro, I have to admit, I'm still laughing at "There is a lot more of me below the waist." That is just funny.

[Sabriana]

True Ejoslin. I have a son and a daughter in RL, and just the thought of someone taking them away and I could never see them again after they were born upsets me greatly.

I am very sure that I wouldn't think kindly about any organization who did that to me and to them. Never.

And that's just one injustice that was done to her. Yet she says the circle is 'home'. She's just as brainwashed as Zevran, without the abuse and torture.

That is also why I sympathise with Isolde up to a point. I would do just about anything to protect my children, but I do hope that if I see that they are killing off people in my care en masse, that I would draw the line. Same goes for Zathrian. I do understand him to a point as well.

[Addai]

Alistair also calls Morrigan a maleficar, but you get to call him out on it ("your templar training is showing") and he backs down a bit. Chantry brainwashing, heh. It was an interesting juxtaposition for me because I did the Wynne dialogue last night and also talked to Morrigan about shapeshifting. Morrigan mentions maleficarum in that dialogue and clearly distinguishes herself from them. Of course you could imagine that she would, but it made for an interesting contrast.

My HN started out polite to Wynne, but when she didn't take the first few hints and kept harping, he got increasingly annoyed. Wynne disapproves -6. Now I have to decide if he is angry enough, and protective enough of Morrigan, to send Wynne away. I don't think so. Not until they've killed Flemeth, anyway.

Modifié par Addai67, 18 février 2010 - 03:59 .

[Sabriana]

Yeh, Addai, and I do believe her. In the fade she makes it very clear to the Connor demon that she'd "Never make a bargain with your kind." Why should she lie? There's no one there but the demon and her.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

Alistair also calls Morrigan a maleficar, but you get to call him out on it ("your templar training is showing") and he backs down a bit. Chantry brainwashing, heh. It was an interesting juxtaposition for me because I did the Wynne dialogue last night and also talked to Morrigan about shapeshifting. Morrigan mentions maleficarum in that dialogue and clearly distinguishes herself from them. Of course you could imagine that she would, but it made for an interesting contrast.

My HN started out polite to Wynne, but when she didn't take the first few hints and kept harping, he got increasingly annoyed. Wynne disapproves -6. Now I have to decide if he is angry enough, and protective enough of Morrigan, to send Wynne away. I don't think so. Not until they've killed Flemeth, anyway.

yes. At least Alistair, when his gets his knee jerk reactions on such things, will back down and conceed your point. Even in the dialogue, when he asks Morrigan wouldn't it have been better to be raised in the Circle instead of by Flemeth, she points out that other than Flemeth, she had no abiminations or blood mages roaming about, and he tells her she has a good point. I think Wynne, if in the same dialogue, would refuse to conceed and continue harping and making excuses.

Wynne's bashing of Zevran is actually funny, especially when she says "he only has one thing on his mind". I wish I had the option of replying "or maybe there's only one thing on YOUR mind, and you're just projecting". Or to tell her when she complains the noise is keeping her awake, to tell her to go get some friggin earplugs and leave me alone. No one else in camp seems to complain.

her relationship advice is the least annoying, however. her warm fuzzy Circle worship and hypocrisy gets me the most.. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm sympathetic to the mages, and needed them more than the templars, I'd really enjoy fighting her. I wish there was an option you could tell her to leave without having to do something nefarious to get to that point. For RP purposes, it would be fun, and satisfying.

[Creature 1]

Does anyone have a transcript of the Zevran-bashing conversation?

[Addai]

Does someone have the Zevran dialogue of Wynne's handy? I can't remember what she says.

Edit @Creature1:  Doh!  Great minds. 

Modifié par Addai67, 18 février 2010 - 04:20 .

[Creature 1]

Addai67 wrote...
Edit @Creature1:  Doh!  Great minds. 

We're the bestest! 

[Sabriana]

My PC is getting there. She has Zevran at 100 adore, and is in Orzammar right now. When she gets out, I'll head to camp and talk to Wynne. Usually I don't do that until Zevran is 100 love, so she can apologize right after her initial spiel, but I'll do it if no one else beats me to it.

[Creature 1]

I'm an obsessive saver, so I'm sure I have a save in the right place to get the conversation.

We should start a thread just for transcripts of conversations with or about Zevran. Massively spoilerific, of course. I have a couple conversations at home with most or all of the dialogue options transcribed.

Modifié par Creature 1, 18 février 2010 - 04:32 .

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Edit @Creature1:  Doh!  Great minds. 

We're the bestest! 

Transcription (with just my answers, though):
Picture Wynne with a really P.O.'ed expression and judgemental tone of voice . . .

Wynne: You're quite taken with each other, aren't you?
Warden: You know about Zevran and me?
Wynne: I almost wish I didn't.  Half of us aren't getting any sleep, the way you two carry on all night.
Warden: We'll try to keep it down next time.
Wynne: That's... uh, kind of you, I suppose.  Anyway...
Wynne: I've noticed your blossoming relationship, and I wanted to ask you where you thought it was going.
Wynne: It seems he only ever has one thing on his mind. I question the wisdom of a Grey Warden being involved in such an affair.

I think the rest of it is the same with all of them.

Edit: I think that the way the conversation starts off prompts me to have a bit more surly answers.  Telling her I don't appreciate the scrutiny, that she needs to shut up about responsibility.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 février 2010 - 04:45 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

My dwarf noble is the only one who pursued the full romance with Zevran thus far, and unfortunately, leliana and her ninja love reared their ugly head, and I accidentally clicked on Wynne and got the "You and leliana" conversation ( much to my dwarf's complete and utter surprise, she was still at 52 care with Zevran and had already had the elf pirate assassinating things in her tent, leliana she mocked for her ridiculous human beliefs yet still ended up in a "relationship"), so unfortunately, i can't go back to that playthrough. i got it on another playthrough, when My human noble was having fun with Zev and hadn't yet developed the relationship with Alistair, and Wynne did her preaching bit.

[Sabriana]

Creature 1 wrote...

I'm an obsessive saver, so I'm sure I have a save in the right place to get the conversation.

We should start a thread just for transcripts of conversations with or about Zevran. Massively spoilerific, of course. I have a couple conversations at home with most or all of the dialogue options transcribed.

Seconded, thirded, and fourthed. I'd so love that, especially because I can't install the toolset on my laptop. Stupid MSSQL.

[Cuddlezarro]

Does she really try and tattle on a blood mage in the epilogue? That would be pretty funny.

if you have dialogue tweaks she will tattle on you at the end of the circle tower if your a blood mage

if you do a persuasion check Irving tells her to shut up and that its "grey warden magic"

infact I have screenshots of the entire conversation where you dont try to persuade them and Ill post them if any one wants to see that dialogue path

edit: I can also get pics of Ivring telling wynn to mind her own buisness as well

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 18 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Does she really try and tattle on a blood mage in the epilogue? That would be pretty funny.

if you have dialogue tweaks she will tattle on you at the end of the circle tower if your a blood mage

if you do a persuasion check Irving tells her to shut up and that its "grey warden magic"

infact I have screenshots of the entire conversation where you dont try to persuade them and Ill post them if any one wants to see that dialogue path

edit: I can also get pics of Ivring telling wynn to mind her own buisness as well

Do share!

My approval of irving has just went up about 50 points. His only downfall is when he suggests Wynne would make a fine first enchanter some day. Well, no one's perfect.

I knew about the Circle dialogue which Wynne tries to rat you out for being a Blood mage, but i was wondering if the epilogue has her still running off and trying to tell on you. She really is the least trustworthy/more likely to turn on you than any other companions. With all the others, they only have one trigger that causes them to turn on you, or leave you.

Morrigan: refuse her ritual, otherwise, she's stays, whether she likes you or not  Never attacks you.
Leliana: defile the ashes in her presence, she attacks you, though I hear hardened, you can persuade her to back down. If not in your party, she doesn't even have to know.
Zevran: have neutral to bad approval, he turns on you, or if he doesn't, he just leaves. otherwise, he stays.
Sten: attacks you in Haven if your approval is not high enough and you take him along, otherwise, stays.
Alistair: Leaves your party if you spare Loghain, otherwise, there until the end, even if he dislikes you. never attacks you.
Oghren: negative approval makes him decide he's had enough, and he leaves. Doesn't attack
Shale: Attacks you if she's with you during Anvil quest and you side with branka, otherwise, stays.

But Wynne: lets see:

1. decide the circle is beyond hope and agree with Cullen, she turns on you right there and attacks.
2. If you save her precious Circle but are a blood mage, she rats you out, and without a persuade check, she attacks.
3. If you defile the ashes with her in the party, she attacks. 
4.If she's not in the party, upon returning to camp, she leaves, no matter what you say or try to persuade.

So three times you have the possibility of Wynne violently turning on your wardens and attacking you, and thus, possibly wiping out the last chance against the blight Ferelden has, all because she puts her own opinions/beliefs above your mission/choices. Yet she has the nerve to nag YOU that somehow, your loving relationship is  a threat to your duty as a Warden and saving humanity from the blight?

Wow. That's all I have to say.