DA:I sadly looks cheap in comparison to TW3 and its a shame especially since Bioware had so much time for DA:I (wonder where all that time was wasted, the fetch quests?)
I'm sure a significant amount of time was wasted on Bioware's creepy and often ridiculous sex mini-game at the expense of gameplay and depth.
I'm sure a significant amount of time was wasted on Bioware's creepy and often ridiculous sex mini-game at the expense of gameplay and depth.
Ironic coming from someone praising The Witcher 3, a game that wasted 16 hours worth of motion capture on their sex scenes.
Ironic coming from someone praising The Witcher 3, a game that wasted 16 hours worth of motion capture on their sex scenes.
Where did I praise Witcher 3?
Where did I praise Witcher 3?
In various threads on this forum. Even in this thread you mention it.
I wouldn't compare it to the Witcher myself, even though I could point out a number of things that are vastly superior in that game. That said, I have no doubt that DAI was so well received primarily because of the lack of competition in 2014, especially on PS4 and Xbox One.
So I find it ironic you complain about Bioware wasting resources on sex-related stuff when CDPR wasted a lot more resources on the same thing.
Ironic coming from someone praising The Witcher 3, a game that wasted 16 hours worth of motion capture on their sex scenes.
Looks like they had time to waste, because the rest of the game is fantastic.
Anyway, how long do you think motion capture takes? Like normal acting, you never just do one take.
Looks like they had time to waste, because the rest of the game is fantastic.
Anyway, how long do you think motion capture takes? Like normal acting, you never just do one take.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Couldn't stand The Witcher 3.
Considering the variety of animations in TW3 sex scenes, it shouldn't have taken more than at best four hours, especially considering they hired porn stars to do it so its not like they were dealing with people not experienced in acting out sex. So they wasted at least 12 hours on motion capture, which is a lot of resources.
In various threads on this forum. Even in this thread you mention it.
So I find it ironic you complain about Bioware wasting resources on sex-related stuff when CDPR wasted a lot more resources on the same thing.
That isn't me praising Witcher 3. I said I could bring up a number of mechanics and systems that are obviously better designed in that game. Funny though that despite the time wasted on the sexual content in Witcher 3, CD was able to produce one of the greatest RPG's in years and made Bioware's efforts with Inquisition look amateur.
Looks like they had time to waste, because the rest of the game is fantastic.
Anyway, how long do you think motion capture takes? Like normal acting, you never just do one take.
I saw a video on the making of the 'Killing Monsters' Witcher 3 promo where the stuntmen said they rehearsed for two weeks to perfectly capture what amounted to 20 seconds worth of a fight scene.
Witcher 3 has a ton of motion capture and facial expressions taken from the stunt actors throughout the entire game so I think it all depends on how important and demanding the scene is.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Couldn't stand The Witcher 3.
Considering the variety of animations in TW3 sex scenes, it shouldn't have taken more than at best four hours, especially considering they hired porn stars to do it so its not like they were dealing with people not experienced in acting out sex. So they wasted at least 12 hours on motion capture, which is a lot of resources.
Like any acting, you keep doing the same scene until it's perfect, or until you run out of time. CDPR clearly cared enough to get this one aspect, among many, many others, as good as it can be and so spent the time needed to do it. I doubt they wanted to. I think that they knew the time could be better spent. But, I can't fault them for putting in the effort because it clearly shows.
None of the Arkham games are in any way similar to any of the DA games, so any competition between the 2 would be null and void on that basis alone. That would be like claiming that Forza Motorsport is better than StarCraft, even though they are wholly unrelated. The Witcher is at least the same genre, but the way it approaches the genre is sufficiently different that a direct comparison game-to-game would be pointless for anything other than a "best RPG" award.
Clearly, that said people are already dumping on Bethesda's games as well despite Skyrim being 4 years old and Fallout 4 not even being out yet. Hopefully there is room for more than one rpg in the market.
That isn't me praising Witcher 3. I said I could bring up a number of mechanics and systems that are obviously better designed in that game. Funny though that despite the time wasted on the sexual content in Witcher 3, CD was able to produce one of the greatest RPG's in years and made Bioware's efforts look amateur.
Yeah, you don't praise The Witcher 3 at all. 
In all seriousness, giving something a compliment is praising it since it is showing approval or admiration for it.
As for the underlined, just no.
Like any acting, you keep doing the same scene until it's perfect, or until you run out of time. CDPR clearly cared enough to get this one aspect, among many, many others, as good as it can be and so spent the time needed to do it. I doubt they wanted to. I think that they knew the time could be better spent. But, I can't fault them for putting in the effort because it clearly shows.
What effort? They copy and pasted the same animations for nearly every sex scene in TW3. They put less effort into it than Bioware did with DAI, and wasted a lot more resources in the process. That decision was a blunder on CDPR's part.
I didn't like the replay value of DAI but I don't really understand saying a first playthrough wasn't good.
Ironic coming from someone praising The Witcher 3, a game that wasted 16 hours worth of motion capture on their sex scenes.
16 hours?
W3 is huge with crazy amount of stuff to do, that's why the sex feel like just another detail from the whole thing. Unlike DAI which seems the sex was equally important as the gameplay/story.
16 hours?
W3 is huge with crazy amount of stuff to do, that's why the sex feel like just another detail from the whole thing. Unlike DAI which seems the sex was equally important as the gameplay/story.
Well, they spent 16 hours recording the scenes. The actual total amount in the game is around half an hour at best.
Except DAI had romances where sex was optional or never even brought up, so clearly it wasn't as important. Or by sex did you mean romance?
16 hours?
W3 is huge with crazy amount of stuff to do, that's why the sex feel like just another detail from the whole thing. Unlike DAI which seems the sex was equally important as the gameplay/story.
That's because it is. Can you imagine the response if Bioware released a game without the sex mini-game mechanic? The horror.
What effort? They copy and pasted the same animations for nearly every sex scene in TW3. They put less effort into it than Bioware did with DAI, and wasted a lot more resources in the process. That decision was a blunder on CDPR's part.
Eh, that depends on how important sex scenes are to an individual player. I didn't see any other part of the game suffer because 16 hours were spent mo-capping sex scenes. It's not likely those porn actors had any other jobs in the making of TW3, so the only possible waste here is money spent for their time.
On the other hand, BioWare put in extra time and effort so characters of all sizes could have some IB bondage... which could instead have been put into fixing, say, elven arms for example. Both is animation work, methinks. Though I suspect a lot of the fanbase agrees with the priorities that were chosen here.
Well, they spent 16 hours recording the scenes. The actual total amount in the game is around half an hour at best.
Except DAI had romances where sex was optional or never even brought up, so clearly it wasn't as important. Or by sex did you mean romance?
Yes. Romance.
W3 also had the romance, and sex came with it.
Just adding that, I also prefer the way romance was handled in this game compared to how it was in DAI. It just felt more mature and less shallow. Some of the things Geralt say to Yennefer is just beautiful in their simplicity and something you can see a person say to another in real life...
That's because it is. Can you imagine the response if Bioware released a game without the sex mini-game mechanic? Oh, the horror.
Yes, the dating simulator was cool and fun in DAO, now it's getting out of hand when they put so much importance in it and sacrifice what really matters. Though, judging by the threads we see in this forum, this is the new audience that buy Bioware games. It's what they want.
Yes, the dating simulator was cool and fun in DAO, now it's getting out of hand when they put so much importance in it and sacrifice what really matters. Though, judging by the threads we see in this forum, this is the new audience that buy Bioware games. It's what they want.
They put so much importance on it? What percentage of the dev time do you figure went into the dating dimulator stuff. What percentage do you figure went into TW3's similar content?
Per character it seems like a lot, lot less than what went into TW3's various romances. Just your one night fling with Kiera had more work put into it than any of the romances in DAI, DAI only had more voice acting and more scenes but a lot of those scenes used canned animation anyways.
Eh, that depends on how important sex scenes are to an individual player. I didn't see any other part of the game suffer because 16 hours were spent mo-capping sex scenes. It's not likely those porn actors had any other jobs in the making of TW3, so the only possible waste here is money spent for their time.
On the other hand, BioWare put in extra time and effort so characters of all sizes could have some IB bondage... which could instead have been put into fixing, say, elven arms for example. Both is animation work, methinks. Though I suspect a lot of the fanbase agrees with the priorities that were chosen here.
There are parts of TW3 that could have been improved with the resources used for all that mocap recording, like for example refining the combat since I've seen that as a common complaint for TW3. The waste wouldn't be so much of time, which granted wasn't much, but mostly of money, since running motion capture technology is expensive. That's why Bioware for example said they can't feasibly use it for faces reading tens of thousands of lines since that would be the entire budget.
The thing with The Iron Bull being animated for all races and genders was done off the clock, actually. John Epler used his own time to make that happen. That's what I heard, anyway.
Yes. Romance.
W3 also had the romance, and sex came with it.
Ah, okay. Just making sure I understood what you were referring to.
That's one thing I like about DAI over TW3. In DAI the sex wasn't mandatory like it is in TW3.
Yes, the dating simulator was cool and fun in DAO, now it's getting out of hand when they put so much importance in it and sacrifice what really matters. Though, judging by the threads we see in this forum, this is the new audience that buy Bioware games. It's what they want.
They're willing to gut their games and try to fix things that were never broken. But somehow the romances always remain the same shallow experience every time. It's like they know how shallow a good portion of their fan base is.
Per character it seems like a lot, lot less than what went into TW3's various romances. Just your one night fling with Kiera had more work put into it than any of the romances in DAI, DAI only had more voice acting and more scenes but a lot of those scenes used canned animation anyways.
Yeah, the use of motion capture makes the scenes in TW3 take more resources than the romances in DAI.
Who cares when all the other scenes are still done better than how they are in DA:I, you know with actual character development?
That says, we really did need another DA:I **** thread/Witcher 3 is better in everyway thread. We totes don't already have several of them on this page.
I'm sure a significant amount of time was wasted on Bioware's creepy and often ridiculous sex mini-game at the expense of gameplay and depth.
I hope this is some kind of joke, and you're not actually parroting the same idiotic nonsense that Fox was saying about the first Mass Effect.
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